what does it have to do with then?

This team is extremely lacking in talent.
- Homer

So Steve Ott is more talented than Roy?

He is better than Derek Roy, and yes, advanced stats would help that argument.
- Gunner Staal

He's having quite the year in Carolina playing tough top line minutes and proving that.

So Steve Ott is more talented than Roy?
- theblueandgold

Not offensively....but there is a lot more to hockey than points.

He's having quite the year in Carolina playing tough top line minutes and proving that.
- theblueandgold

Luckily for me convincing you otherwise has no real impact on anything. You thinking Roy is better doesnt bother me. It's your opinion.

I'd like to see the sabres move Miller in the offseason if we can find another NHL-level goalie that can share time with Enroth. I am still not convinced Enroth can be a starter, I only see him taking around 30 games in a season.

I don't think Leggio is an NHL goalie, and I'm not sure if Hackett can hack it yet.

Vanek is different for me. I think if we can have a decent season and try to negotiate an extension we should next year. Vanek said that he doesn't want to stay for a Long rebuild such as Pittsburgh or Edmonton. If we can turn it around and be a playoff team next year I think he would be a great piece to our return to being good. Pure scorer, veteran, role model for youngins.

If we play like doo doo again next year and cant get him to sign an extension we can trade him at the deadline.

We need to find a new coach, and I hope the execs realize that this could be the most important part of turning it around. I like Rolston but he needs to be in the AHL. Having a new 'big-name' coach with a new vision can re-energize this team.

I also think we need to target a couple good free agents in the offseason. I think it will be a buyers market this year, because several teams will be working to get under the cap by not-resigning players, and possibly buying players out.

I'm fine with Hodgson as 1c next year, he is only going to get better. We need to add a top-six scoring winger and a 2-3c type player who can win faceoffs.

^those types of pieces may be had in a trade of Miller too.

Not offensively....but there is a lot more to hockey than points.
- Homer

Oh jesus christ man. Make up your mind here.

I dont consider a third line pest grinder to be a talented hockey player. He may be the best 3rd line pest grinder in the league, but hes not a talented hockey player like a top 2 line center like Derek Roy was.

The reason our team sucks is because we lack talent on the top 2 lines. We replaced one of our most talented, experienced players with a 3rd line grinder pest.

Yes our team is worse off with Ott than with Roy.

So Steve Ott is more talented than Roy?
- theblueandgold

No Roy is more talented then ott, ott brings more grit. i still believe the sabres should have asked for a little more. i will all ways take offense over grit any day off the week not saying would not take ott but roy for ott no my second round pick or my number 4 or 5 prospect yes

Oh jesus christ man. Make up your mind here.

I dont consider a third line pest grinder to be a talented hockey player. He may be the best 3rd line pest grinder in the league, but hes not a talented hockey player like a top 2 line center like Derek Roy was.

The reason our team sucks is because we lack talent on the top 2 lines. We replaced one of our most talented, experienced players with a 3rd line grinder pest.

Yes our team is worse off with Ott than with Roy.
- theblueandgold

Meh I hate debating this topic. I don't regret trading Roy. I like Ott a lot, he isn't as skilled as Roy but he definitely has skill. I wouldn't hate him on our second line, he can score goals while being a pest, winning faceoffs, licking and hitting people, and drawing penalties. He has a very diverse set of skills that add up to make him very valuable to us.

Roy had to go because he wasn't getting along with Ruff, overall Ott and Pardy was a great return IMO.

I would becareful what you wish for Miller haters. This isn't Ryan Fitzpatrick. This is an elite goalie that you just can't find. It is easy to get disappointed with this season and focus the blame on Miller. He didn't do himself as favors on Friday night.

If someone needs to be booed and find another place to call home - it has to be Darcy. He is the manager of this team. He make most of the decisions and should pay for his results. I would hate for us to just give proven players away and have Darcy still remain.

I know the Habs are brought up all the time but it is an interesting use case. Lots of young talent - underachieving. Changes are made from the top and there you go. Darcy has had his time to prove he can build a championship - now it is time to leave.

Don't rebuild for the sake of rebuilding.

I know the Habs are brought up all the time but it is an interesting use case. Lots of young talent - underachieving. Changes are made from the top and there you go. Darcy has had his time to prove he can build a championship - now it is time to leave.

Don't rebuild for the sake of rebuilding.
- Peca27

They would be rebuilding for the sake of finally doing the right thing.

I would becareful what you wish for Miller haters. This isn't Ryan Fitzpatrick. This is an elite goalie that you just can't find. It is easy to get disappointed with this season and focus the blame on Miller. He didn't do himself as favors on Friday night.

If someone needs to be booed and find another place to call home - it has to be Darcy. He is the manager of this team. He make most of the decisions and should pay for his results. I would hate for us to just give proven players away and have Darcy still remain.

I know the Habs are brought up all the time but it is an interesting use case. Lots of young talent - underachieving. Changes are made from the top and there you go. Darcy has had his time to prove he can build a championship - now it is time to leave.

Don't rebuild for the sake of rebuilding.
- Peca27

We will be okay without him... Goalies aren't the QB's of the NHL

I would becareful what you wish for Miller haters. This isn't Ryan Fitzpatrick. This is an elite goalie that you just can't find. It is easy to get disappointed with this season and focus the blame on Miller. He didn't do himself as favors on Friday night.

If someone needs to be booed and find another place to call home - it has to be Darcy. He is the manager of this team. He make most of the decisions and should pay for his results. I would hate for us to just give proven players away and have Darcy still remain.

I know the Habs are brought up all the time but it is an interesting use case. Lots of young talent - underachieving. Changes are made from the top and there you go. Darcy has had his time to prove he can build a championship - now it is time to leave.

Don't rebuild for the sake of rebuilding.
- Peca27

This franchise tried building a team from the goalie out .. Hasek,,,Miller. Lets try a different approach . With a no name goalie in net , would we be any worse ? maybe 28th ?

assuming the sabres draft anywhere from 6 through 10, who do you think they target? Do we draft a forward? or a D man? Nurse/Pulock look pretty good on D, but i feel like we dont need D as much especially if we are really shopping Vanek. Do we stay clear of centers because of grigs/gergs/hodg/ennis/larson and target a guy like shinkaruk? IDK really what do you all think?? on a side not 50% off at the sabres store friday night and I want a Grigorenko jersey... unless Nichuskin has a chance to fall to us then ill pick his jersey up next year as i think he is a legit future star...

Meh I hate debating this topic. I don't regret trading Roy. I like Ott a lot, he isn't as skilled as Roy but he definitely has skill. I wouldn't hate him on our second line, he can score goals while being a pest, winning faceoffs, licking and hitting people, and drawing penalties. He has a very diverse set of skills that add up to make him very valuable to us.

Roy had to go because he wasn't getting along with Ruff, overall Ott and Pardy was a great return IMO.
- rsj2588

i still cant believe he did that...then all he said was "yeah i was (franking) with him"

Oh jesus christ man. Make up your mind here.

I dont consider a third line pest grinder to be a talented hockey player. He may be the best 3rd line pest grinder in the league, but hes not a talented hockey player like a top 2 line center like Derek Roy was.

The reason our team sucks is because we lack talent on the top 2 lines. We replaced one of our most talented, experienced players with a 3rd line grinder pest.

Yes our team is worse off with Ott than with Roy.
- theblueandgold

You dont have to agree with me but no need for the opening statement.

Steve Ott is a better hockey player than Derek Roy, IMO. You dotn have to agree with me but you dont have to get pissy either.

assuming the sabres draft anywhere from 6 through 10, who do you think they target? Do we draft a forward? or a D man? Nurse/Pulock look pretty good on D, but i feel like we dont need D as much especially if we are really shopping Vanek. Do we stay clear of centers because of grigs/gergs/hodg/ennis/larson and target a guy like shinkaruk? IDK really what do you all think?? on a side not 50% off at the sabres store friday night and I want a Grigorenko jersey... unless Nichuskin has a chance to fall to us then ill pick his jersey up next year as i think he is a legit future star...
- kmhachey

On another side note, tickets are 90% off on stubhub

On another side note, tickets are 90% off on stubhub
- qcstudios

i know 9 dollars for tonight... more expensive to go see the Bisons

i know 9 dollars for tonight... more expensive to go see the Bisons
- kmhachey

at that point you wonder why those people dont try to give them to a friend or family member. you really need that 15 bucks you'll get from stubhub after fees for selling your 2 tickets? lol

You dont have to agree with me but no need for the opening statement.

Steve Ott is a better hockey player than Derek Roy, IMO. You dotn have to agree with me but you dont have to get pissy either.
- Homer

Then stop contradicting yourself.

"This team lacks talent" So is Ott more talented than Roy? "Not offensively, but theres more than just points"

Steve Ott and Roy are two different types of hockey players. I think Ott is better hockey player for his role than Roy was for his role, but Roy is easily more talented and wouldve made this team better than they are this year, rather than Ott.

Ott is perfect for a team like Chicago, Anaheim, Vancouver, where they have top 6 talent but need a 3rd line player like Ott. He was not the right fit for Buffalo.

Then stop contradicting yourself.

"This team lacks talent" So is Ott more talented than Roy? "Not offensively, but theres more than just points"

Steve Ott and Roy are two different types of hockey players. I think Ott is better hockey player for his role than Roy was for his role, but Roy is easily more talented and wouldve made this team better than they are this year, rather than Ott.

Ott is perfect for a team like Chicago, Anaheim, Vancouver, where they have top 6 talent but need a 3rd line player like Ott. He was not the right fit for Buffalo.
- theblueandgold

someone is cranky....

and they havent even dropped the puck yet.

Hates Hasek cause of personality....... bet $5 bucks he loves Jim Kelly though
- hubie

yeah a wife beater another joke. As for the Bills, Toronto can have them I will help them pack. Lance Armstrong was best in world still a douche bag. Same goes for Hasek

Then stop contradicting yourself.

"This team lacks talent" So is Ott more talented than Roy? "Not offensively, but theres more than just points"

Steve Ott and Roy are two different types of hockey players. I think Ott is better hockey player for his role than Roy was for his role, but Roy is easily more talented and wouldve made this team better than they are this year, rather than Ott.

Ott is perfect for a team like Chicago, Anaheim, Vancouver, where they have top 6 talent but need a 3rd line player like Ott. He was not the right fit for Buffalo.
- theblueandgold

This is correct. You worry about whether or not you have what Ott brings after your top 6 is set. Championship teams are built from the top down, not from the bottom up, which is what this franchise has done for most of the 40 some-odd years of its existence. It's also why they have zero championships. Getting a Steve Ott before you have a top 6 that's worth of contention is building from the bottom up.

That being said, Derek Roy doesn't make your top 6 anywhere near "set" either. Trading Derek Roy for Steve Ott wasn't a bad trade. Trading Derek Roy for Steve Ott and then walking away thinking your top 6 was just fine was the laughably mind-numbingly stupid thing.

yeah a wife beater another joke. As for the Bills, Toronto can have them I will help them pack. Lance Armstrong was best in world still a douche bag. Same goes for Hasek
- bcbanger

The saying "nice guys finish last" is more than just a saying. It's true.

That's the problem with the sports mentality this city. We'd rather have nice guys that "work hard" rather than championships. And it's exactly why we have none.

Mller for Nugent-Hopkins!

someone is cranky....

and they havent even dropped the puck yet.
- qcstudios