Gervais -17, Meszaros(Never 100%) -9, Coburn -10, Briere -14(Not hurt anymore).....No suprise the D has been better with these guys out of the lineup
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Great analysis.
Scott Hartnell
-5
Zac Rinaldo
-7
Claude Giroux
-8
Jakub Voracek
-9
Sean Couturier
-10
Wayne Simmonds
-11
Brayden Schenn
-11

Great analysis.
Scott Hartnell
-5
Zac Rinaldo
-7
Claude Giroux
-8
Jakub Voracek
-9
Sean Couturier
-10
Wayne Simmonds
-11
Brayden Schenn
-11
- strongsupporter

I think I know who to scratch.



Hint: it's everybody you listed

Gervais -17, Meszaros(Never 100%) -9, Coburn -10, Briere -14(Not hurt anymore).....No suprise the D has been better with these guys out of the lineup
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers are the worst 5-on-5 team in the NHL. No surprise that, just about the entire team has a negative plus/minus rating.

i actually like our d better with oliver, gusty and manning then coburn, mezzy and gervais, id like to see them stick next year and gain more exp, its a nice trio, i can already see oliver getting better each game
- mydoglicks

i agree oliver may be young and make mistakes but he's much more interesting to watch develop than other players gusty looks like he'll be smart player
haven't seen enough of manning to get a feel for him

i agree oliver may be young and make mistakes but he's much more interesting to watch develop than other players gusty looks like he'll be smart player
haven't seen enough of manning to get a feel for him
- 2Real

I've seen Manning in a few games now and I'm still not quite sure what he's good at.

i agree oliver may be young and make mistakes but he's much more interesting to watch develop than other players gusty looks like he'll be smart player
haven't seen enough of manning to get a feel for him
- 2Real

Ollie has quickly become my favorite player.

Though it remains to be seen if he will ever be a permanent fixture on the blueline, his approach to each game is refreshing. He comes to play every game, is aggressive, stands up for his teammates, looks as if he truly wants to be here, and is making himself noticed by other players by trying to be difficult to play against.

Since the season went in the hopper, this is what I wanted the team to do - bring up the youngsters and give them a taste of the big time. See how they handle themselves.

Though Ollie definitely needs a little more instruction and experience, at least I can see the desire to succeed.

I've seen Manning in a few games now and I'm still not quite sure what he's good at.
- johndewar

Safe to say, not very much. He's going to be a career AHLer. There are little things that Lauridsen does that make you think this guy def. has a future in this league. Hes 24 yoa and in my opinion the way hes playing right now there's reason to believe that sending him down (next year) won't do anything for him. He does not look out of place on the 3rd pairing, (not that much on the 2nd pairing at that). If Mez can ever get healthy that would be an interesting 3rd pairing

Ollie has quickly become my favorite player.

Though it remains to be seen if he will ever be a permanent fixture on the blueline, his approach to each game is refreshing. He comes to play every game, is aggressive, stands up for his teammates, looks as if he truly wants to be here, and is making himself noticed by other players by trying to be difficult to play against.

Since the season went in the hopper, this is what I wanted the team to do - bring up the youngsters and give them a taste of the big time. See how they handle themselves.

Though Ollie definitely needs a little more instruction and experience, at least I can see the desire to succeed.
- 77rams

Thats all you can ask for.

Ollie has quickly become my favorite player.

Though it remains to be seen if he will ever be a permanent fixture on the blueline, his approach to each game is refreshing. He comes to play every game, is aggressive, stands up for his teammates, looks as if he truly wants to be here, and is making himself noticed by other players by trying to be difficult to play against.

Since the season went in the hopper, this is what I wanted the team to do - bring up the youngsters and give them a taste of the big time. See how they handle themselves.

Though Ollie definitely needs a little more instruction and experience, at least I can see the desire to succeed.
- 77rams

I'll dub this post "Kukkonen syndrome".

Um... Just making sure: You & DFT know that wasn't me that compared the Flyers to a girls swimming team. Nor did I approve of it. I was responding to BiggE's post.
- Flyskippy

General request.

I'll dub this post "Kukkonen syndrome".
- feelingkettle

I enjoyed Lasse's work here and never fully understood how he couldn't stick.

I enjoyed Lasse's work here and never fully understood how he couldn't stick.
- johndewar

I enjoyed him as well, but I recall Bill saying that people were way overvaluing him and what he can do as a player. He hasn't been in the NHL since then, so I'm guessing it wasn't just the Flyers who felt the same way about him.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching young players, but I think part of that comes more from they are more of an unknown, and have little if any expectations they have to meet. See Couturier last year, Mason now, Oliver, etc. To me, at least, in a poopty season, anything new that doesn't immediately suck is a good thing, but reality usually sets in sooner or later.

General request.
- bodiva88

Ah, ok. I just wanted to make sure. My wife keeps an eye on my internet rep and I hate sleeping on the sleeper couch. It's like a pallet.

I enjoyed him as well, but I recall Bill saying that people were way overvaluing him and what he can do as a player. He hasn't been in the NHL since then, so I'm guessing it wasn't just the Flyers who felt the same way about him.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching young players, but I think part of that comes more from they are more of an unknown, and have little if any expectations they have to meet. See Couturier last year, Mason now, Oliver, etc. To me, at least, in a poopty season, anything new that doesn't immediately suck is a good thing, but reality usually sets in sooner or later.
- feelingkettle

Of course they were overvaluing him, they went out and bought his jersey for crying out loud!



*expects recompense from ob18*

I enjoyed him as well, but I recall Bill saying that people were way overvaluing him and what he can do as a player. He hasn't been in the NHL since then, so I'm guessing it wasn't just the Flyers who felt the same way about him.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching young players, but I think part of that comes more from they are more of an unknown, and have little if any expectations they have to meet. See Couturier last year, Mason now, Oliver, etc. To me, at least, in a poopty season, anything new that doesn't immediately suck is a good thing, but reality usually sets in sooner or later.
- feelingkettle

You're probably right.

Just for grins, I checked out hockey db to see what Lasse's been up to....

His KHL numbers look, on the surface, to be respectable. However, he's carrying a big, fat -16 in the SEL this year (http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=56047).

I enjoyed him as well, but I recall Bill saying that people were way overvaluing him and what he can do as a player. He hasn't been in the NHL since then, so I'm guessing it wasn't just the Flyers who felt the same way about him.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching young players, but I think part of that comes more from they are more of an unknown, and have little if any expectations they have to meet. See Couturier last year, Mason now, Oliver, etc. To me, at least, in a poopty season, anything new that doesn't immediately suck is a good thing, but reality usually sets in sooner or later.
- feelingkettle

Agreed. People fall in love fast in this town... and out of love faster when someone screws up.

I like seeing the kids do well but I would not bench a healthy Meszaros or Coburn for Ollie or Gus... I do feel Gus should stick and has well outplayed Gervais.

I for one am glad they lost to the Devils. I would hate to get a lower pick than they.
- phillydentist

They'll end up with the 7th pick.

Agreed. People fall in love fast in this town... and out of love faster when someone screws up.

I like seeing the kids do well but I would not bench a healthy Meszaros or Coburn for Ollie or Gus... I do feel Gus should stick and has well outplayed Gervais.
- flyler

I think you are all reading a little too much into this.

Nobody is saying players like Ollie are the answers, just that it's fun to watch a kid who looks hungry and who competes every game.

Someone takes liberties with a Flyer while Ollie's on the ice and he steps up and takes the aggressor on. Someone pushes and he pushes back. Responses like that aren't seen often enough lately.

And what exactly is a "healthy Mezaros" you speak of?

Ollie has quickly become my favorite player.

Though it remains to be seen if he will ever be a permanent fixture on the blueline, his approach to each game is refreshing. He comes to play every game, is aggressive, stands up for his teammates, looks as if he truly wants to be here, and is making himself noticed by other players by trying to be difficult to play against.

Since the season went in the hopper, this is what I wanted the team to do - bring up the youngsters and give them a taste of the big time. See how they handle themselves.

Though Ollie definitely needs a little more instruction and experience, at least I can see the desire to succeed.
- 77rams

I think Ollie's determination alone should get him a good chance at a roster spot next year. I'd rather have a team of players that want to work than a team of players that just want to coast on their talents. I'm really liking Ollie the more i see of him despite his short comings, but I feel his short comings can be fixed by a good coach.

I'll dub this post "Kukkonen syndrome".
- feelingkettle

kukkonen just sucked

kukkonen just sucked
- 2Real

Far from it. He was a little undersized to be the type of defenseman he was at the NHL level -basically a miniature Grossmann -- but he did the job well. Always liked him for his heart and his savvy.

You're probably right.

Just for grins, I checked out hockey db to see what Lasse's been up to....

His KHL numbers look, on the surface, to be respectable. However, he's carrying a big, fat -16 in the SEL this year (http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ts/pdisplay.php?pid=56047).
- johndewar

He was a two-time All-Star in the KHL.

The team he played for in Sweden this year was one of the worst teams that has played in Elitserien in the last 20+ years -- to the point that it was almost a foregone conclusion that they'd be relegated, because there were Allsvenskan (minor league) clubs that were clearly better. The fact that Kukkonen was-16 and not -32 or some such was actually a testament to the fact that he was one his team's few competent players, especially because he was assigned the shutdown D role on the top pair.

Far from it. He was a little undersized to be the type of defenseman he was at the NHL level -basically a miniature Grossmann -- but he did the job well. Always liked him for his heart and his savvy.
- bmeltzer

Why didn't kukkonen stay around in the NHL?

Far from it. He was a little undersized to be the type of defenseman he was at the NHL level -basically a miniature Grossmann -- but he did the job well. Always liked him for his heart and his savvy.
- bmeltzer

I'll save JSaq from saying it, I own his jersey

Why didn't kukkonen stay around in the NHL?
- 2Real

Because he was undersized for his role and not the fleetest afoot. Didn't mean he wasn't effective.