Yep! It's the trapezoids fault that Howard misplayed 2 pucks that led to two goals ultimately one in which he scored on himself! Derp! That's priceless!


It's weird you don't come trolling on the Minne site when your team loses...Hmmm

Have a terrible day!
- MnGump

really? your a joke....getin rid of the trapezoid has nothing to do with the Wings.....most hockey players will agree. I understand that you have never played so there for you will never be able to grasp this concept.

Have fun on your old computer today.....now that the rain has stoped were shootin pucks off the dock and boatin Wat you doin? watchin porn enjoy
http://youtu.be/RjMci4hSM6w

He's an idiot no doubt.
- whipper334

Are you not the idiot that crys when you get band? BTY told you the flames would blow up this year

really? your a joke....getin rid of the trapezoid has nothing to do with the Wings.....most hockey players will agree. I understand that you have never played so there for you will never be able to grasp this concept.

Have fun on your old computer today.....now that the rain has stoped were shootin pucks off the dock and boatin Wat you doin? watchin porn enjoy
http://youtu.be/RjMci4hSM6w
- Muskoka88

I feel sorry for your parents...

Bad play by Howard for sure but who was coming back for the puck, there was no one even close?
- ShooterMcGavin

Howard blew a routine play, simple as that. I wont say it will cost the Wings the playoffs, but it doesnt help secure them... that goal killed the Wings in the game without a doubt.

hard to blame anyone but Howard there. He has been great at times, but that 3rd goal was a killer to let in.

Howard blew a routine play, simple as that. I wont say it will cost the Wings the playoffs, but it doesnt help secure them... that goal killed the Wings in the game without a doubt.

hard to blame anyone but Howard there. He has been great at times, but that 3rd goal was a killer to let in.
- BooBoo997

Agreed Howard blew the play, but there should have been someone coming back. If the puck had died in the corner and Howard couldn't play it Begin would have had all day to make a play.

Cleary does do something...wrecks the plays for his teammates. Seems like every time he gets the puck he gives it away or fumbles it. Tootoo doesn't bring offense much but he's pretty much the only player on the Wings that make the other teams defensemen get rid of pucks because of his hitting. He's also one of the few willing to drop the gloves.

Won't matter much because I expect Holland will bring back the same team next season saying with a full training camp and a healthy roster that this is a good team He's going to bring back Cleary at 2 mil per for 2 years and won't get rid of anyone aside from White and probably Filppula if he doesn't overpay him.
- dcz28

If Holland brings back all of the useless old vets next year that are on this team then it's time for Jim Nill to take over the GM duties. What scares me is that he'll say the reason the team sucked this year is because of injuries. Besides Helm... those injured players were already useles. We have at least 5 players who should be GONE. Complete dead weight, but for some reason Holland signs them to crappy contracts. And the fact that Abdelkader and Cleary are on the top two lines AND the powerplay makes me think that Babcock is now completely delusional thinking it will create offense... we know how well that's worked out don't we.

Unfortunately, it's probably going to be like this for a few years yet. And my fear is that after that, it'll get worse.

Rebuilding "on the fly" while remaining seriously competitive is a nearly impossible task and probably depends as much or more on luck than managerial skill. You either need to get lucky as hell in the draft, or get a sweetheart FA signing, or trade away an all-star for a blue-chip youngster that turns out to be even better than expected.

The Wings aren't going to trade away anyone in their core. They might consider Franzen, but with his lengthy contract it's hard to imagine they could ever get equal value for him. The only other players with any trade value are the kids, since the secondary vets are all aging and/or injury prone and/or just not that good.

The way the NHL works now, you need an elite core on cap-friendly deals to consistently contend. Pretty much the only way you get elite players on cap-friendly deals is to draft them yourself. And pretty much the only way to draft them yourself is to tank hard and pick up top-5 picks.

Nyquist, Tatar, Andersson -- I like what I've seen so far and they might have long, fairly successful NHL careers, but does anyone really think anyone currently in the Red Wings system is the next Datsyuk? The next Lidstrom? What I see are a lot of guys who, if they reach their potential, will top out as really good second liners or competent second-pairing defenders. True, you need those guys to win, but you can't build around them. At best, you'll be the St. Louis Blues.

I suspect the Red Wings will continue to cobble together competitive, but average, teams for a few years now while Pasha and Z still have some gas left. They might even be really good again for a year or two if some of their current crop of kids develop into solid secondary NHLers fast enough.

But eventually D and Z will be gone, no one left will be close to as good as they were, and the Wings are probably going to have to take the Chicago/Pittsburgh path to a rebuild, whether they want to or not.

It is what it is.

I hated thinking about a Detroit rebuild for the past few years. Now, its looking more and more possible. I just hope that if it comes to that, we embrace it and don't try to avoid it like Calgary did. That being said, I like our prospects and think that we have some great talent coming in the next few seasons.

Agreed Howard blew the play, but there should have been someone coming back. If the puck had died in the corner and Howard couldn't play it Begin would have had all day to make a play.
- ShooterMcGavin

If a player came back, they would of only either been up the wall to get the puck from Howard on either side -- unfortunately. And the puck would not have died in the corner..... that is why Howard was out, because all could tell it would not be.

IF the team was not on the PP, I would tend to agree with you more that defencemen should be back more urgently... but you often see a goalie along with time to make a play on the PP -- multiple times during the game.

but keep in mind I did not blame Howard for the loss, just a irresponsible play that mentality wore down the rest of the team. If some other players had more urgency in the 1st -- we might not even be discussing it.

If a player came back, they would of only either been up the wall to get the puck from Howard on either side -- unfortunately. And the puck would not have died in the corner..... that is why Howard was out, because all could tell it would not be.

IF the team was not on the PP, I would tend to agree with you more that defencemen should be back more urgently... but you often see a goalie along with time to make a play on the PP -- multiple times during the game.

but keep in mind I did not blame Howard for the loss, just a irresponsible play that mentality wore down the rest of the team. If some other players had more urgency in the 1st -- we might not even be discussing it.
- BooBoo997

The puck did die, if it was a hard dump in no problem. The puck slowed down and Howard had to wait for it to enter the trapezoid, he had too much time to think about the play. I'm not blaming Howard or anyone else specifically for the loss, it takes a whole team worth of suck to lose to the Flames.

The puck did die, if it was a hard dump in no problem. The puck slowed down and Howard had to wait for it to enter the trapezoid, he had too much time to think about the play. I'm not blaming Howard or anyone else specifically for the loss, it takes a whole team worth of suck to lose to the Flames.
- ShooterMcGavin

you and I have a different definition of a "dead puck"... to me a "dead puck" can't slow down and someone wait for it, that means it was in motion. From what I saw, the puck either jumped over Howard's stick or he flubbed it. Either way, he didnt' a) stop the puck or b) handle it well.... regardless of who was around him.

And if the puck was "dead", why not get back to the net if Begin was the only one around?. Howard even said himself, that one is on me.

anyways, we will agree to disagree

you and I have a different definition of a "dead puck"... to me a "dead puck" can't slow down and someone wait for it, that means it was in motion. From what I saw, the puck either jumped over Howard's stick or he flubbed it. Either way, he didnt' a) stop the puck or b) handle it well.... regardless of who was around him.

And if the puck was "dead", why not get back to the net if Begin was the only one around?. Howard even said himself, that one is on me.

anyways, we will agree to disagree
- BooBoo997

the puck was "dying" a lot quicker than it originally seemed and Howard had to wait for it to enter the trapezoid. A puck doesn't have to stop completely to be dead, a lot of times when you made a pass around the net, the puck would slow or skip because of goalies clearing their crease, when it slowed we would say the puck "died" when we passed it. This happens a lot near the end of periods where there is are lots of piles built up, especially corners where you try to control the puck with your skates. It was a bad play by Howard and yeah he can blame himself all he wants, but the fact is he was the only Detroit player in their zone so someone didn't pick up their check.

Unfortunately, it's probably going to be like this for a few years yet. And my fear is that after that, it'll get worse.

Rebuilding "on the fly" while remaining seriously competitive is a nearly impossible task and probably depends as much or more on luck than managerial skill. You either need to get lucky as hell in the draft, or get a sweetheart FA signing, or trade away an all-star for a blue-chip youngster that turns out to be even better than expected.

The Wings aren't going to trade away anyone in their core. They might consider Franzen, but with his lengthy contract it's hard to imagine they could ever get equal value for him. The only other players with any trade value are the kids, since the secondary vets are all aging and/or injury prone and/or just not that good.

The way the NHL works now, you need an elite core on cap-friendly deals to consistently contend. Pretty much the only way you get elite players on cap-friendly deals is to draft them yourself. And pretty much the only way to draft them yourself is to tank hard and pick up top-5 picks.

Nyquist, Tatar, Andersson -- I like what I've seen so far and they might have long, fairly successful NHL careers, but does anyone really think anyone currently in the Red Wings system is the next Datsyuk? The next Lidstrom? What I see are a lot of guys who, if they reach their potential, will top out as really good second liners or competent second-pairing defenders. True, you need those guys to win, but you can't build around them. At best, you'll be the St. Louis Blues.

I suspect the Red Wings will continue to cobble together competitive, but average, teams for a few years now while Pasha and Z still have some gas left. They might even be really good again for a year or two if some of their current crop of kids develop into solid secondary NHLers fast enough.

But eventually D and Z will be gone, no one left will be close to as good as they were, and the Wings are probably going to have to take the Chicago/Pittsburgh path to a rebuild, whether they want to or not.

It is what it is.
- Sven22

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Agree with everything you mentioned. While I do really like our top prospects in Detroit, Grand Rapids and the ones still in Junior hockey... you're right in that we don't have any potential superstars in the pipeline that we can see. Unless one or two unexpectedly surprise us and completely surpass expectations. That could happen, but it's pretty rare.

It's virtually impossible to retool / rebuild (whatever you want to call it) on the fly and stay competitive with the very top teams in the NHL. The Wings simply have not had any top 10 draft picks in the last 15 years that I can remember. The very elite players are typically top 15 picks... or at least high first round picks. Hard to rebuild on low round draft picks... you have to start losing before you can acquire those kind of high round picks that have the most potential to be elite NHL players to build around. The front office scouting have done a remarkable job of finding amazing players low in the draft... but let's face it.. what are the chances of the Wings finding players like Zetterberg, Homstrom, and Datsyuk these days with low round draft picks ???

Just have to hope the prospects keep developing and maybe some will exceed expctatations. It will probably be at least 3-4 years before the Wings are an elite team again.

.....Just have to hope the prospects keep developing and maybe some will exceed expctatations. It will probably be at least 3-4 years before the Wings are an elite team again.
- Vladdie_Kon1

if Detroit is 'Elite' in only 3-4 years Holland is a flat out genius!

if Detroit is 'Elite' in only 3-4 years Holland is a flat out genius!
- ShooterMcGavin

Yeah.. that might be a little optimistic. But I'm trying to stay positive. More likely, 5-6 years.

Dan Dekeyser is a full on stud! He is gonna be amazing!

Dan Dekeyser is a full on stud! He is gonna be amazing!
- ShooterMcGavin

Big but skates really well, good reach, and great first pass out of the zone. About the only thing Holland did this season worth a damn. Now we get to watch White walk for free (assuming of course that Holland hadn't tried to trade him and teams laughed him.) I don't see what the big deal is about the streak. Horray we made the playoffs! Now lets play Chicago! I think we would be better off with a good draft pick in a deep draft....

Big but skates really well, good reach, and great first pass out of the zone. About the only thing Holland did this season worth a damn. Now we get to watch White walk for free (assuming of course that Holland hadn't tried to trade him and teams laughed him.) I don't see what the big deal is about the streak. Horray we made the playoffs! Now lets play Chicago! I think we would be better off with a good draft pick in a deep draft....
- MartyBurk

I read somewhere that there was no team was interested in white at the deadline

I read somewhere that there was no team was interested in white at the deadline
- krk181

White could be effective with a solid shut down d-man, and that's what Dekeyser is. Play them together and see what happens.

EDIT nevermind, I thought he had a year left. If he takes a pay cut sign him.

Big but skates really well, good reach, and great first pass out of the zone. About the only thing Holland did this season worth a damn. Now we get to watch White walk for free (assuming of course that Holland hadn't tried to trade him and teams laughed him.) I don't see what the big deal is about the streak. Horray we made the playoffs! Now lets play Chicago! I think we would be better off with a good draft pick in a deep draft....
- MartyBurk

Dekeyser has looked great, just steady simple plays all the time never seems to get caught out of position. I think that's a little harsh on Holland, Brunner was a good pickup and I liked getting Tootoo as well, but Samuelsson was an awful move. I'm putting a lot more weight into what he does this year as it's pretty clear they need some changes, but again on after hours on CBC last night he was bringing up how they'd be different with Samuelsson Bertuzzi and Helm in there so maybe he things they're built just fine.

And for the shootout, obviously can't really get on Datsyuk's case because we wouldn't even be sniffing the playoffs without him this year, but that's no time to pull out the show time lob shot, that extra point is way too critical.