Could have been a third, who knows? It likely would have been a contender offering to trade for Streit. Something tells me that it wasn't Florida or Colorado calling and inquiring about Streit's availability. Contenders tend to have late round picks. I sincerely doubt a first was offered for Streit so late second round pick sounds about right.
- Jethro09

Could be? Contenders also make trades with other teams and acquire they're picks which are sometimes traded as well. Does'nt really matter at this point I guess? It's going to play out the way it does no matter what anyone thinks. I'm with the "who cares we're winning" group.

No one does so if your argument is, "well we would've only gotten a 2nd for him" then it's really not the most valid argument. Not that there are too many valid arguments on hockeybuzz
- Cptmjl

exactly...and on the other end of the spectrum...if someone says "well we would have gotten a 2nd for him", thats not necessarily true either.

Streit is a self admitted, quiet lead by example type of guy. On teams of veterns that tends to work. On younger teams I'd prefer to have someone capable of lighting a fire. So from a lockeroom perspective, with a team like this, I'd prefer to have a Messier type guy over a Lidstrom.

From a team representative position, I think Streit is more of a company guy, partly because he was given the Captaincy despite probably not being Captain material at that time. I think we've seen from coaching choices and firings in the past that this management/ownership prefers the path of least resistance when it comes to inhouse leaders. That makes Streit a popular choice for them, whereas a guy like Tavares who clearly demands excellence of himself may be a bit more demanding of even ownership and management.

I realize this is all opinion based on little factual evidence so it's more just fodder for us to throw around. That said, if we're choosing a Captain right now, I think the guy who leads best by example AND by attitude is Tavares and Streit isn't even close in either category. Though somehow I doubt Garth is going to read this and say "Hmmmm, he's right!" as he personally sews the C on Tavares jersey.
- keaner17

On what are you basing this opinion?

I don't think anybody here disputes that the "leader" of this team is JT and that when Streit is no longer an Islander, the "C" goes on JT's sweater. I nor others on this site would want it any other way. This discussion is about our disagreement as to the adequacy of Streit's captaincy. You and I fundamentally disagree on that. Neither one of us is really in a position to truly know what type of captain or how good a captain Streit is.

Well then he should've been traded for whatever then
- Cptmjl

GOOD point!!!!

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Could have been a third, who knows? It likely would have been a contender offering to trade for Streit. Something tells me that it wasn't Florida or Colorado calling and inquiring about Streit's availability. Contenders tend to have late round picks. I sincerely doubt a first was offered for Streit so late second round pick sounds about right.
- Jethro09

Or prospects

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disagree...i think he is compensating for the other 2 slackers on his line and trying to do too much whenever he gets the puck... he doesnt trust MM or boyes right now.
- LetsGoIsles

I think it's become pretty obvious at this point to everyone that he's pissed when he looks to his left or right.

All im saying is that Snow is the worst at getting value for he assets... Could have traded Comeau while his value was high, waited a season to late & had him claimed on waivers. Teams were interested in Konopka, even thou there was no intention to resign him, let him walk. PAP, Nabby (thankfully that ended well) & now Streit. I know there are other examples... For a rebuilding team & make the playoffs or not.. this team is still rebuilding... losing building blocks for nada is not the way to go. The more picks you have the more choices you have to deal them to move up or nab a player in trade. The more picks you make, the better your odds of that draft netting future NHL players.

We are in NVMC for 2 more seasons, we aren't adding payroll for at least 2 more years....im just saying

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- XxNYIxX

They have to have a minimum payroll. I don't think they can continue to get to the floor through the smoke and mirrors they've been using the past few years any longer. You lose Streit, you lose a $4.1M cap hit. You buy out RDP, (I know, likely not happening), you lose another $3M or so cap hit. Tim Thomas' cap hit of $5M or whatever it is disappears next season. Visnovsky's cap hit goes down next season by about $1M I believe. They have to make that money up somehow. Its not far fetched to think they would sign one top pair D-man and one top six forward in light of what's coming off the books.

exactly...and on the other end of the spectrum...if someone says "well we would have gotten a 2nd for him", thats not necessarily true either.
- LetsGoIsles

So everyone is not wrong but also not right either... Kind of was my point in the first place

All im saying is that Snow is the worst at getting value for he assets... Could have traded Comeau while his value was high, waited a season to late & had him claimed on waivers. Teams were interested in Konopka, even thou there was no intention to resign him, let him walk. PAP, Nabby (thankfully that ended well) & now Streit. I know there are other examples... For a rebuilding team & make the playoffs or not.. this team is still rebuilding... losing building blocks for nada is not the way to go. The more picks you have the more choices you have to deal them to move up or nab a player in trade. The more picks you make, the better your odds of that draft netting future NHL players.

We are in NVMC for 2 more seasons, we aren't adding payroll for at least 2 more years....im just saying

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- XxNYIxX

thats a pretty bold statement.

lets assume your worst case scenario and say streit is gone after the year.

that means the following players were lost for "nothing"
streit
pap
comeau
konopka

(not exactly an all star line up but prob could have gotten some combo of a 2nd, 2 3rds and 5th/6th)

NOW lets see which assets he GOT for NOTHING:
grabner
hickey
mcdonald
moulson

not exactly what id call the worst at getting value for an asset... he got value WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO GIVE UP AN ASSET!!!!!

They have to have a minimum payroll. I don't think they can continue to get to the floor through the smoke and mirrors they've been using the past few years any longer. You lose Streit, you lose a $4.1M cap hit. You buy out RDP, (I know, likely not happening), you lose another $3M or so cap hit. Tim Thomas' cap hit of $5M or whatever it is disappears next season. Visnovsky's cap hit goes down next season by about $1M I believe. They have to make that money up somehow. Its not far fetched to think they would sign one top pair D-man and one top six forward in light of what's coming off the books.
- Jethro09

To some I guess? Snow has been in these situations before and found ways to cover that space to reach the floor. Playoffs or not i don't see this changing, hope I'm wrong.

off topic because I'm tired of the Streit discussion, but a buddy of mine and I were talking last night. Would you trade this season's 1st rounder and Nino for Bernier? My buddy said he'd do it. I was hedging. It sounds like a lot to give up. Discuss.

They have to have a minimum payroll. I don't think they can continue to get to the floor through the smoke and mirrors they've been using the past few years any longer. You lose Streit, you lose a $4.1M cap hit. You buy out RDP, (I know, likely not happening), you lose another $3M or so cap hit. Tim Thomas' cap hit of $5M or whatever it is disappears next season. Visnovsky's cap hit goes down next season by about $1M I believe. They have to make that money up somehow. Its not far fetched to think they would sign one top pair D-man and one top six forward in light of what's coming off the books.
- Jethro09

I agree with that thought pattern, I agree 100%... but isn't that what we have been saying in one form or another the past 4 years?

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So everyone is not wrong but also not right either... Kind of was my point in the first place
- Cptmjl

10000000%

off topic because I'm tired of the Streit discussion, but a buddy of mine and I were talking last night. Would you trade this season's 1st rounder and Nino for Bernier? My buddy said he'd do it. I was hedging. It sounds like a lot to give up. Discuss.
- Jethro09

Let's get back to Boyes...

I agree with that thought pattern, I agree 100%... but isn't that what we have been saying in one form or another the past 4 years?

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- XxNYIxX

ding! ding! Exactly what I just stated

off topic because I'm tired of the Streit discussion, but a buddy of mine and I were talking last night. Would you trade this season's 1st rounder and Nino for Bernier? My buddy said he'd do it. I was hedging. It sounds like a lot to give up. Discuss.
- Jethro09

nope...

...now back to streit

nope...

...now back to streit
- LetsGoIsles

I agree with that thought pattern, I agree 100%... but isn't that what we have been saying in one form or another the past 4 years?

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- XxNYIxX

Im just hoping Snow's houdini pixie dust for reaching the "salary floor" by not spending to said floor runs out this summer. I don't need a payroll of actual dollars spent to the cap to be happy. I'd be happy with a salary floor compliant team that actually spends real dollars to the floor.

thats a pretty bold statement.

lets assume your worst case scenario and say streit is gone after the year.

that means the following players were lost for "nothing"
streit
pap
comeau
konopka

(not exactly an all star line up but prob could have gotten some combo of a 2nd, 2 3rds and 5th/6th)

NOW lets see which assets he GOT for NOTHING:
grabner
hickey
mcdonald
moulson

not exactly what id call the worst at getting value for an asset... he got value WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO GIVE UP AN ASSET!!!!!
- LetsGoIsles

and in that least case scenario if we were able to draft 1 NHL player with those 4 picks... more then worth the argument.

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All im saying is that Snow is the worst at getting value for he assets... Could have traded Comeau while his value was high, waited a season to late & had him claimed on waivers. Teams were interested in Konopka, even thou there was no intention to resign him, let him walk. PAP, Nabby (thankfully that ended well) & now Streit. I know there are other examples... For a rebuilding team & make the playoffs or not.. this team is still rebuilding... losing building blocks for nada is not the way to go. The more picks you have the more choices you have to deal them to move up or nab a player in trade. The more picks you make, the better your odds of that draft netting future NHL players.

We are in NVMC for 2 more seasons, we aren't adding payroll for at least 2 more years....im just saying

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- XxNYIxX

I get what you're saying but I'll dispute a couple of things here (because I'm bored). First off, regarding Comeau, I think teams saw an ugly reality with Comeau which was he's a lazy player who failed to demonstrate a good work ethic let alone consistency. At the time we waived him, he had gone 16 games without a point. Snow shopped him for draft picks and no one offered anything. Eventually we gave up and dumped him. That's the way it goes.

while I don't expect that the Isles will take a huge leap in team payroll, I do think it's possible we'll add a piece or two since the team will naturally attract more FA attention with their success and known move coming up. That means the rebuild now becomes more about finding established talent than future picks. We've build a foundation, now we're at a stage where we should be surrounding that foundation with established players. Whether that can happen or not remains to be seen, but the single biggest part of this rebuild RIGHT NOW, is rebuilding our reputation. By making the playoffs, we're doing just that.

nope...

...now back to streit
- LetsGoIsles

The funny thing about Streit...

I agree. I think its too much. But I would do the first rounder and a lighter regarded prospect, certainly not a blue-chip.

Im just hoping Snow's houdini pixie dust for reaching the "salary floor" by not spending to said floor runs out this summer. I don't need a payroll of actual dollars spent to the cap to be happy. I'd be happy with a salary floor compliant team that actually spends real dollars to the floor.
- Jethro09

I'd by that for a dollar!!

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I get what you're saying but I'll dispute a couple of things here (because I'm bored). First off, regarding Comeau, I think teams saw an ugly reality with Comeau which was he's a lazy player who failed to demonstrate a good work ethic let alone consistency. At the time we waived him, he had gone 16 games without a point. Snow shopped him for draft picks and no one offered anything. Eventually we gave up and dumped him. That's the way it goes.

while I don't expect that the Isles will take a huge leap in team payroll, I do think it's possible we'll add a piece or two since the team will naturally attract more FA attention with their success and known move coming up. That means the rebuild now becomes more about finding established talent than future picks. We've build a foundation, now we're at a stage where we should be surrounding that foundation with established players. Whether that can happen or not remains to be seen, but the single biggest part of this rebuild RIGHT NOW, is rebuilding our reputation. By making the playoffs, we're doing just that.
- keaner17

Comeau was in pretty high demand the year before.. and Snow held on to him & dumped him the next season.

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Again who cares about Streit and or Boyes. Both players are past there prime both are just average players. Snow also is not goign to do much as long as we are in Nassau Wang will not give him the green light for anything. It will basically be teh same team out there again next year. Bank on it!!!

off topic because I'm tired of the Streit discussion, but a buddy of mine and I were talking last night. Would you trade this season's 1st rounder and Nino for Bernier? My buddy said he'd do it. I was hedging. It sounds like a lot to give up. Discuss.
- Jethro09

Nope

But before the deadline I would have traded them Streit & a 1st

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