Not me. Don't lump me into that category. I've been saying all along that yes, JT will likely be (and should be) the next captain, but he doesn't need a "C" on his sweater to be the team's leader. He leads fine with just an "A". All a letter is is a piece of fabric sewn on a sweater. The individual player is where leadership comes from, not the letter.
- Jethro09

So you're saying it doesn't matter who wears the C? It's just a letter? If they lead who cares if he's got a c or not? I don't agree with that. With that said I don't really care all I know is they're winning and that's all that matters to me at this point. I see both sides of the conversation as far as streit goes. You can't let these guys walk for nothing. Streets demands can be high bfr FA and not for nothing him walking for nothing doesn't sit well for me. The guy isn't worth what vis makes and hisgame has not been getting better and his age is a definite factor. Who knows what was offered for streit? Everyone on here just decided completely randomly it was a second round pick. It could've been a fourth or a late first for all any of us know? I don't hate streit but btn his play and age, contract demands from what we've heard, etc, it is not a crazy notion to think that trading him wouldve been a horrible idea. Again, at this point I don't really care all that much but come the summer if he walks and signs w the rangers for six.mil a year and we get nothing I bet a lot of the people on here saying how wonderful it was we kept him will be singing a different tune playoffs or not. This team is still rebuilding let's not forget. The funny thing is half the people on here blasting the idea of him being traded at the deadline were the very same people saying he should be traded.

So you're saying it doesn't matter who wears the C? It's just a letter? If they lead who cares if he's got a c or not? I don't agree with that. With that said I don't really care all I know is they're winning and that's all that matters to me at this point. I see both sides of the conversation as far as streit goes. You can't let these guys walk for nothing. Streets demands can be high bfr FA and not for nothing him walking for nothing doesn't sit well for me. The guy isn't worth what vis makes and hisgame has not been getting better and his age is a definite factor. Who knows what was offered for streit? Everyone on here just decided completely randomly it was a second round pick. It could've been a fourth or a late first for all any of us know? I don't hate streit but btn his play and age, contract demands from what we've heard, etc, it is not a crazy notion to think that trading him wouldve been a horrible idea. Again, at this point I don't really care all that much but come the summer if he walks and signs w the rangers for six.mil a year and we get nothing I bet a lot of the people on here saying how wonderful it was we kept him will be singing a different tune playoffs or not. This team is still rebuilding let's not forget. The funny thing is half the people on here blasting the idea of him being traded at the deadline were the very same people saying he should be traded.
- Cptmjl

More than half the people on here wanted Streit traded. To be honest... most people wanted him gone.

It just seems like alot of people are back pedalling on their stance.

He will be the most sought after free agent defenceman on the market.

I felt Streit should have been traded at the time however I also recognized the fact that he could have just as easily been looked at as a playoff rental. I don't believe for a second that he was going to bring back a 1st round pick since the market simply hasn't been offering 1st rounders for dmen over the last several years. So the question became, was Streit's value for the rest of this season worth a 2nd round pick? Based on what I had seen through most of the year, I'd have a tough time answering that, but I really believe he's picked up his physical game during this recent stretch we've had.

That said, I really don't think Streit is going to walk.

What is this thing you have with Boyes? Serious question?
- Cptmjl

Enough with the Boyes crap. You guys are acting like politicians.

I never said Boyes was the best player in the world. I never said he was the best option for us. I never said he was the reason why we are where we are.

What I did say (and what I'm continuing to say) is that Boyes is the best REALISTIC option we have RIGHT NOW. And he should be kept until a prospect proves they can replace him on the top line. Either that or he should be kept until Snow gets a better replacement through UFA or a trade.

If Snow signs Iginla on July 1, say BYE to Boyes. If he trades for Kessel (like someone else suggested), BYE BOYES! I wouldn't even mind a 1 year Jagr deal to play on that line.

But to not resign him just based on the hope that a prospect can produce on that line is a mistake.

I felt Streit should have been traded at the time however I also recognized the fact that he could have just as easily been looked at as a playoff rental. I don't believe for a second that he was going to bring back a 1st round pick since the market simply hasn't been offering 1st rounders for dmen over the last several years. So the question became, was Streit's value for the rest of this season worth a 2nd round pick? Based on what I had seen through most of the year, I'd have a tough time answering that, but I really believe he's picked up his physical game during this recent stretch we've had.

That said, I really don't think Streit is going to walk.
- keaner17

If a team offers him 5.5 over three yrs and we offer him four over two he's gone. He will get ridiculous offers like all free agents do. The guys contract demands will be ridiculously high. You can count on that. You let a decent player go to free agency there are always going to be a few teams willing to overpay for him. I can see him walking just as much as I could see him signing. He is not worth five million over three years. The guy also should not be our captain three yes from now. Anyone can say what they want about that but my opinion won't waver on that subject. I'm happy they're winning more than anyone but to dismiss the idea of whether he should've been traded or not is a little short sighted. Not saying you're doing that more referring to other posts.

Enough with the Boyes crap. You guys are acting like politicians.

I never said Boyes was the best player in the world. I never said he was the best option for us. I never said he was the reason why we are where we are.

What I did say (and what I'm continuing to say) is that Boyes is the best REALISTIC option we have RIGHT NOW. And he should be kept until a prospect proves they can replace him on the top line. Either that or he should be kept until Snow gets a better replacement through UFA or a trade.

If Snow signs Iginla on July 1, say BYE to Boyes. If he trades for Kessel (like someone else suggested), BYE BOYES! I wouldn't even mind a 1 year Jagr deal to play on that line.

But to not resign him just based on the hope that a prospect can produce on that line is a mistake.
- kencan98[/quot

If they you don't have them resigned.. send them away... get something for them.

Snow got lucky that Nabby resigned. But he should have been moved too, regardless of how it all turned out.

If they dont want to be here enough to sign before the deadline.. then F'em & trade em that goes for ANY UFA.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

my deadline wishes these past 2 years included, trading pap, nabby and streit.

pap walked for nothing which i wasnt happy about
nabby resigned which i was happy about but it was obviously risky
streit i wanted gone but if they are fighting to get into the playoffs and actually DO get in, you have to be crazy to fault garth for not trading him....i understand thats a very results-based opinion but trades (or lack thereof) can only be evaluated after the fact.

the name of the game is to win and get into the playoffs...NOT to trade players without contracts.

Enough with the Boyes crap. You guys are acting like politicians.

I never said Boyes was the best player in the world. I never said he was the best option for us. I never said he was the reason why we are where we are.

What I did say (and what I'm continuing to say) is that Boyes is the best REALISTIC option we have RIGHT NOW. And he should be kept until a prospect proves they can replace him on the top line. Either that or he should be kept until Snow gets a better replacement through UFA or a trade.

If Snow signs Iginla on July 1, say BYE to Boyes. If he trades for Kessel (like someone else suggested), BYE BOYES! I wouldn't even mind a 1 year Jagr deal to play on that line.

But to not resign him just based on the hope that a prospect can produce on that line is a mistake.
- kencan98

Did you really just say enough with this Boyes crap?

More than half the people on here wanted Streit traded. To be honest... most people wanted him gone.

It just seems like alot of people are back pedalling on their stance.

He will be the most sought after free agent defenceman on the market.
- jimmc7722

I think he should have been gone if the team and return was right. Like I said earlier in this thread, a second from Florida for me would have been a done deal. A first from Boston or Montreal would have been no deal for me.

In my opinion, with Lubo under contract, our need is a stay at home defenseman. Someone with some skill, who can make the first pass and clear out the front of the net.

And I agree. I think he will be one of the most sought after defenseman on the market along with Gonchar. I also think that the same thing can be said about Boyes. He, along with Iginla (who I believe will be back in Pitt before July 1), Ryder and Horton will be the most sought after wingers in UFA.

Did you really just say enough with this Boyes crap?

- Cptmjl

I did because you guys are acting like you are in congress or have a show on MSNBC.

The twisting of my words is nauseating.

HE IS THE BEST REALISTIC OPTION WE HAVE.

Enough.

More than half the people on here wanted Streit traded. To be honest... most people wanted him gone.

It just seems like alot of people are back pedalling on their stance.

He will be the most sought after free agent defenceman on the market.
- jimmc7722

Again if the return was worth it then yeah but not for a 2nd rd pick when you are battling for a playoff spot. That's not back pedalling.

I did because you guys are acting like you are in congress or have a show on MSNBC.

The twisting of my words is nauseating.

HE IS THE BEST REALISTIC OPTION WE HAVE.

Enough.
- kencan98

Is this a joke?

Is this a joke?
- Vukota

We can only hope.

Enough with the Boyes crap. You guys are acting like politicians.

I never said Boyes was the best player in the world. I never said he was the best option for us. I never said he was the reason why we are where we are.

What I did say (and what I'm continuing to say) is that Boyes is the best REALISTIC option we have RIGHT NOW. And he should be kept until a prospect proves they can replace him on the top line. Either that or he should be kept until Snow gets a better replacement through UFA or a trade.

If Snow signs Iginla on July 1, say BYE to Boyes. If he trades for Kessel (like someone else suggested), BYE BOYES! I wouldn't even mind a 1 year Jagr deal to play on that line.

But to not resign him just based on the hope that a prospect can produce on that line is a mistake.
- kencan98

i'm fairly certain that there is someone in the islander organization or a UFA on July 1st that can score 8 goals playing with John Tavares

I think he should have been gone if the team and return was right. Like I said earlier in this thread, a second from Florida for me would have been a done deal. A first from Boston or Montreal would have been no deal for me.

In my opinion, with Lubo under contract, our need is a stay at home defenseman. Someone with some skill, who can make the first pass and clear out the front of the net.

And I agree. I think he will be one of the most sought after defenseman on the market along with Gonchar. I also think that the same thing can be said about Boyes. He, along with Iginla (who I believe will be back in Pitt before July 1), Ryder and Horton will be the most sought after wingers in UFA.
- kencan98

Trade our most productive D-man for a 2nd rd pick while they battle for a playoff spot????? Thank god some of you aren't the GM

i'm fairly certain that there is someone in the islander organization or a UFA on July 1st that can score 8 goals playing with John Tavares
- NYI78

- Vukota

i mean my god

More important are we ready for the return of Marty Reasoner tonight? That's assuming Cizikas is hurt

So you're saying it doesn't matter who wears the C? It's just a letter? If they lead who cares if he's got a c or not? I don't agree with that. With that said I don't really care all I know is they're winning and that's all that matters to me at this point. I see both sides of the conversation as far as streit goes. You can't let these guys walk for nothing. Streets demands can be high bfr FA and not for nothing him walking for nothing doesn't sit well for me. The guy isn't worth what vis makes and hisgame has not been getting better and his age is a definite factor. Who knows what was offered for streit? Everyone on here just decided completely randomly it was a second round pick. It could've been a fourth or a late first for all any of us know? I don't hate streit but btn his play and age, contract demands from what we've heard, etc, it is not a crazy notion to think that trading him wouldve been a horrible idea. Again, at this point I don't really care all that much but come the summer if he walks and signs w the rangers for six.mil a year and we get nothing I bet a lot of the people on here saying how wonderful it was we kept him will be singing a different tune playoffs or not. This team is still rebuilding let's not forget. The funny thing is half the people on here blasting the idea of him being traded at the deadline were the very same people saying he should be traded.
- Cptmjl

I'm saying leadership comes from the player, not the piece of fabric sewn onto the sweater. JT is not barred or precluded from being a leader on the team because some other player has a "C" on their sweater. You certainly don't trade away Streit because you want to make the "C" available for sewing onto JT''s sweater.

More important are we ready for the return of Marty Reasoner tonight? That's assuming Cizikas is hurt
- Vukota

i'm encouraged by the fact that he traveled to toronto

Trade our most productive D-man for a 2nd rd pick while they battle for a playoff spot????? Thank god some of you aren't the GM
- Vukota

i'm encouraged by the fact that he traveled to toronto
- NYI78

True but it's a 5 game trip so my guess is if he wanted to meet up with the team lets say on Saturday Wang would have made him take a greyhound bus to Winnipeg. So he decided to travel with the team regardless

If a team offers him 5.5 over three yrs and we offer him four over two he's gone. He will get ridiculous offers like all free agents do. The guys contract demands will be ridiculously high. You can count on that. You let a decent player go to free agency there are always going to be a few teams willing to overpay for him. I can see him walking just as much as I could see him signing. He is not worth five million over three years. The guy also should not be our captain three yes from now. Anyone can say what they want about that but my opinion won't waver on that subject. I'm happy they're winning more than anyone but to dismiss the idea of whether he should've been traded or not is a little short sighted. Not saying you're doing that more referring to other posts.
- Cptmjl

I get it. I'm just simplifying it as best as possible so I can sleep at night
I was on board with the 'trade Streit' sentiment, but I also didn't feel it was a huge mistake (like PA) not to. In PA's case we weren't heading to the playoffs, we didn't have a chance at the playoffs. In this case, we did/do. So the value of keeping him here for the run (IMO) outweighed the potential trade return.

The fact is, opinions can only be based on what you expected to get in return for Streit. I don't see any way we would have done better than perhaps two second rounders. I do think there's a much better chance that Streit signs with us at a manageable figure and this becomes a non factor. That said, I'm happy to see that the team has a chemistry and have to recognize that just maybe it could have been upset if Mark was dealt. For that reason, I have no regrets in us keeping him.

Because, make the playoff or not.. we are still rebuilding this machine... We are not in a position to let any assets walk for nothing... Streit isnt even all that good.. he has been pretty bad the last couple seasons... if he's such a huge piece of this playoff team puzzle & he walks at the end of the year.. where are we then?? If the loss of Streit makes us that less of a playoff team, then we need to keep building, we need to keep adding pieces.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

getting into the playoffs is valuable, showing the players what its all about and whetting their appetite is valuable.

if i offered you a playoff berth in exchange for a 2nd round pick, you wouldnt take it?

I'm saying leadership comes from the player, not the piece of fabric sewn onto the sweater. JT is not barred or precluded from being a leader on the team because some other player has a "C" on their sweater. You certainly don't trade away Streit because you want to make the "C" available for sewing onto JT''s sweater.
- Jethro09

The problem I have with that philosophy regarding the Captaincy is that I think you're undervaluing a Captain's role. The Captain is the team representative not only to the officals but to the players and the management. He's the liaison. This is why management and not the players typically elect Captain's nowadays. I don't see Streit as a strong personality. He certainly isn't outspoken. For that reason, I'm not so sure he'd be the type of guy to tell Snow when he thinks something needs to be handled differently, be it by coaching or management. The players need to feel that they have a juggernaut in that position who commands respect from everyone. It also couldn't hurt the treatment or lack of protection JT gets from the officials.