It's games played from how I reed it in the CBA. Nothing changed in that area of the CBA. The only thing they did was lower the amout of games do to the shortened season.
- dadeadhead

I would think that Bob MacKenzie would know, but I suppose it's possible he's wrong. He was the one who originally said that Grigs and Matteau from NJ both didn't burn a year, but then later said he was wrong and that they did.

I think Darcy screwed that up
- Homer

I really think he thought it was games played, and not games on the roster, and thought by sending him down after 22GP he was doing right.

In hindsight, he should have never played in a shortened season.

Like I said at the beginning of the season about Scott. If he plays more than 10 games, this team is in trouble.


I hate being right sometimes.
- dadeadhead

The only thing I would say about Scott in the positive is after he beat down Thornton Boston has been on their best behavior against us, for the most part and we've won 3x vs them.

I'm not saying John Scott is the reason we have beat them 3x, but I dont think he has absolutley nothing to do with it either.

I would think that Bob MacKenzie would know, but I suppose it's possible he's wrong. He was the one who originally said that Grigs and Matteau from NJ both didn't burn a year, but then later said he was wrong and that they did.
- HonkFortheGoose

Like I said, It was said that the Jr player rules went unchanged from the previous CBA. If so then the rule is 10 games for burning an EL year and 40 games played for burning a year of RFA status. They lowered the games to 7 and 22 because of the strike shortened season.

Like I said, It was said that the Jr player rules went unchanged from the previous CBA. If so then the rule is 10 games for burning an EL year and 40 games played for burning a year of RFA status. They lowered the games to 7 and 22 because of the strike shortened season.
- dadeadhead

Well, if it's 22 games, then it doesn't matter because he played 22 games. So he burned a year.

for Homie



- dadeadhead

It's games played from how I reed it in the CBA. Nothing changed in that area of the CBA. The only thing they did was lower the amout of games do to the shortened season.
- dadeadhead

Old CBA (no new changes)

"
Accrued Season
" means any League Year during which a Player was on
a Club's Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under thi
s Agreement,
games missed due to a hockey
-
related injury incurred while on a Club's Active Roster
shall count as games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only
during the League Year in which the injury was incurred and a maximum of on
e
additional season.

Does not specify games played. Its on active roster. This is out of the 2005 CBA. Page 20.

I really think he thought it was games played, and not games on the roster, and thought by sending him down after 22GP he was doing right.

In hindsight, he should have never played in a shortened season.
- theblueandgold

if they knew leino was (frank)ed up and they knew no moves were going to be made the first month, then it was pointless to keep him up after 3 or 4 games IMO

Like I said, It was said that the Jr player rules went unchanged from the previous CBA. If so then the rule is 10 games for burning an EL year and 40 games played for burning a year of RFA status. They lowered the games to 7 and 22 because of the strike shortened season.
- dadeadhead

yep

if they knew leino was (frank)ed up and they knew no moves were going to be made the first month, then it was pointless to keep him up after 3 or 4 games IMO
- homiedclown

When I look back on it, I always harped that "he should have gotten top 6 minutes". Lindy never did that.

So, if the kid wasnt impressive enough to be getting those minutes, then he shouldve never stayed here past the tryout amount. If after 7 games he didnt wow anybody, he should not have stayed.

The only thing I would say about Scott in the positive is after he beat down Thornton Boston has been on their best behavior against us, for the most part and we've won 3x vs them.

I'm not saying John Scott is the reason we have beat them 3x, but I dont think he has absolutley nothing to do with it either.
- Homer

Besides that though,
He's done very little IMO to deter all the hits from behind guys like Ennis, Gerbe, etc have had to deal with
I just don't think he's very effective bc he's playing maybe 8min a night at most
How many fights has he actually had? 5? 6?

When I look back on it, I always harped that "he should have gotten top 6 minutes". Lindy never did that.

So, if the kid wasnt impressive enough to be getting those minutes, then he shouldve never stayed here past the tryout amount. If after 7 games he didnt wow anybody, he should not have stayed.
- theblueandgold

yep

it's (frank)ed up on so m any levels

Besides that though,
He's done very little IMO to deter all the hits from behind guys like Ennis, Gerbe, etc have had to deal with
I just don't think he's very effective bc he's playing maybe 8min a night at most
How many fights has he actually had? 5? 6?
- jdfitz77

he plays 5 minutes a game
+/- of 0
has a great sense of humor
I do not see a problem bringing him back next year and playing him 25 times a year


look at what he has brought to the team vs. Peters


To be honest, I would not mind them having him play D next season for 12 minutes a game just to clear the front of the net

Besides that though,
He's done very little IMO to deter all the hits from behind guys like Ennis, Gerbe, etc have had to deal with
I just don't think he's very effective bc he's playing maybe 8min a night at most
How many fights has he actually had? 5? 6?
- jdfitz77

that is foligno, ott and staff's job

foligno does it once in a while
ott does it every shift

staff, he is more worried about play guitar hero

IMO this is why we need 3 bangers on the blue line

weber and pardy kind of do it
we have no player that can do it for 25 minutes a game on the top line

I thought myers was suppose to be that guy

he plays 5 minutes a game
+/- of 0
has a great sense of humor
I do not see a problem bringing him back next year and playing him 25 times a year


look at what he has brought to the team vs. Peters


To be honest, I would not mind them having him play D next season for 12 minutes a game just to clear the front of the net
- homiedclown

No homie. No. Clown, what are you doing. No. Absolutely no defense!!

Dont you find it funny that he hadnt "lost" a fight prior to coming here, and then he loses his first fight as a Sabre to (frank)ing Colton Orr?

He's had some good ones though when he bashed Thornton and McLaren.

he plays 5 minutes a game
+/- of 0
has a great sense of humor
I do not see a problem bringing him back next year and playing him 25 times a year


look at what he has brought to the team vs. Peters


To be honest, I would not mind them having him play D next season for 12 minutes a game just to clear the front of the net
- homiedclown

I also have no problem with him coming back next year.

he plays 5 minutes a game
+/- of 0
has a great sense of humor
I do not see a problem bringing him back next year and playing him 25 times a year


look at what he has brought to the team vs. Peters


To be honest, I would not mind them having him play D next season for 12 minutes a game just to clear the front of the net
- homiedclown

Is there no one else in the league w a sense of humor that can actually skate more than 5min a night?
He doesn't really bring much at all to the team IMO
Great, he's funny...
I'd also like our guys to be able to skate, pass, and maybe even put a shot on net
And he's pretty bad at all of those
I'd much rather have a guy like kaleta in the line-up that can PK (Danny Paille anyone? I always hated that trade)...
Or even dress a 7th defenseman as a PP specialist (Brennan?)

Being a goon doesn't bring enough value to the table for me
He had ONE intimidating moment all year
And that didnt last too long bc our guys have still been getting run at fairly regularly

Is there no one else in the league w a sense of humor that can actually skate more than 5min a night?
He doesn't really bring much at all to the team IMO
Great, he's funny...
I'd also like our guys to be able to skate, pass, and maybe even put a shot on net
And he's pretty bad at all of those
I'd much rather have a guy like kaleta in the line-up that can PK (Danny Paille anyone? I always hated that trade)...
Or even dress a 7th defenseman as a PP specialist (Brennan?)

Being a goon doesn't bring enough value to the table for me
He had ONE intimidating moment all year
And that didnt last too long bc our guys have still been getting run at fairly regularly
- jdfitz77

They should have 19 other players that can do that.....he has a role and IMO does it pretty well.

that is foligno, ott and staff's job

foligno does it once in a while
ott does it every shift

staff, he is more worried about play guitar hero

IMO this is why we need 3 bangers on the blue line

weber and pardy kind of do it
we have no player that can do it for 25 minutes a game on the top line

I thought myers was suppose to be that guy
- homiedclown

Expecting Staff to do any of that is ridiculous-
He's never been that guy

And I agree, it should be guys like Foligno, Weber, Ott, MCNABB (better be here next year!)....
So if that's the case,
What exactly is Scott's job?
Fight 8 times a year and spend more time in the box than on the ice?

Get me another guy like the ones mentioned above
I want someone who's TOUGH....
AND can actually play

That shouldn't be too much to ask

They should have 19 other players that can do that.....he has a role and IMO does it pretty well.
- Homer

A 4th line that can score a few goals now and then can be huge for a teams success. Scott can't do that.

A 4th line that can score a few goals now and then can be huge for a teams success. Scott can't do that.
- sbroads24

I wouldnt suggest playing him in the playoffs, if we ever get there, but I don't mind having him around.

They should have 19 other players that can do that.....he has a role and IMO does it pretty well.
- Homer

Beside the point u made about the ONE game he beat up Thornton,
What exactly has he provided?

And why limit it to 19 guys that are good enough to play more than 5min?
I'd rather have 20 guys that can play
It just makes sense to me

What ROLE doe he really have when he's hardly in the ice,
And has only fought like 6 times this year?

Get me another guy like the ones mentioned above
I want someone who's TOUGH....
AND can actually play

That shouldn't be too much to ask
- jdfitz77

if the multimillionaires mail it in, making 4-7.142857 mil per year can't be motivated to play

how can you expect a 4th liner to play?

if the multimillionaires mail it in, making 4-7.142857 mil per year can't be motivated to play

how can you expect a 4th liner to play?
- homiedclown

What are u talking about?
Obviously I'd get rid of the "unmotivated" players...
I'm not sure why u brought that point up when discussing whether Scott plays a useful role?
If your point is, Stafford sucks, so why not have Scott too...
I'd say to get rid if BOTH

I might be missing what you're getting at though?

I might be missing what you're getting at though?
- jdfitz77

"I want someone who's TOUGH....
AND can actually play

That shouldn't be too much to ask "

the money players need to lead by example

this core never has