they cant force a team to take him tho now can they?

and if they want to get under the cap......

its called a rock and hard place

gillis is (frank)ed unless another GM lets him off the hook
- Dozzer

Lou is still a good asset to a low cap team that needs a veteran goalie. They'll pay "a" price to get him but Gillis will likely have to eat salary.

You don't think Philadelphia might be interested if they buy out Bryzgalov? They have been (frank)ed year in and year out by not having goaltending... And I don't they are as far away from contender status as their record this year would indicate.
- Mr_Clean

As hilarious as it might be to watch Philly dump 30 million bucks to get rid of one albatross of a contract only to pick up an arguably worse one, I wouldn't even be able to laugh.

I would actually pity them, especially if their homegrown talent goes on to win a Vezina in Columbus of all places.

You think Luongo will want to sign a one or two year deal with Florida for 3-4 million dollars?

I think he commands a lot more than that on the market. A lot.

So if Florida will only take him for cheap, on a short-term basis, I don't think they'll get him at all. If they are willing to take him on medium- or long-term for cheap, that may be possible.

EDIT: I guess what I'm saying is, if Florida thinks Markstrom will be their starter next year or the year after, Luongo won't be going there at all.
- Mr_Clean

why, with the buyout money he has made his cash.. he can just go play where he wants on the cheap.

i am sure he already regrets signing the contract he is on.. why in hells name would he do it again?

You think Luongo will want to sign a one or two year deal with Florida for 3-4 million dollars?

I think he commands a lot more than that on the market. A lot.

So if Florida will only take him for cheap, on a short-term basis, I don't think they'll get him at all. If they are willing to take him on medium- or long-term for cheap, that may be possible.
- Mr_Clean

I completely agree... Markstrom is easily 3-4 years away from being a legitimate number 1. SO there would be potential for Lu to sign there for 4-5 years at say.. 5 million per.

However, with his current contract... I could still see Florida taking him.. and sorting it out 4-5 years from now. They are a Luongo away from at least being playoff bound over the next few years. I don't know exact dollars.. but I figure that might be enticing enough for ownership to get some playoff rounds in there.

As hilarious as it might be to watch Philly dump 30 million bucks to get rid of one albatross of a contract only to pick up an arguably worse one, I wouldn't even be able to laugh.

I would actually pity them, especially if their homegrown talent goes on to win a Vezina in Columbus of all places.
- Leeman4Gilmour

They wouldn't pick up a worse one, though. Like I said, Vancouver would be on the hook for a large portion of the salary.

Which would you rather have, Luongo at 3.5 million per, or Brygalov at 8 million in real salary + a cap hit of 5.66 million per?

Lou is still a good asset to a low cap team that needs a veteran goalie. They'll pay "a" price to get him but Gillis will likely have to eat salary.
- The Law

he can only eat so much.. and whatever he eats is still on the nucks books for cap hit.. the nucks paying out part ofluongo's salary doest count against florida's cap at all.

so

1: the argument that it helps florida reach the floor becomes kind of silly.. since all they did is get him cheap and clog up their system for years

and

2: it doesnt solve the nucks cap issues at all.

why, with the buyout money he has made his cash.. he can just go play where he wants on the cheap.

i am sure he already regrets signing the contract he is on.. why in hells name would he do it again?
- Dozzer

I'm saying, if he hates being a backup in Vancouver, why would he go on a discounted, short-term deal to a losing situation where he would not even be guaranteed starter in two years?

its not just about salary.. its about clogging up the development of a very very good and promising young goalie in markstrom

man.. i am serious.. the nucks will end up buying him out unless they pile a bunch of young cheap assets on top of him

you just wait.
- Dozzer

Markstrom's an issue for sure but Florida has shown interest in Lou so I have to assume they've considered that and believe the two can work together.

he can only eat so much.. and whatever he eats is still on the nucks books for cap hit.. the nucks paying out part ofluongo's salary doest count against florida's cap at all.

so

1: the argument that it helps florida reach the floor becomes kind of silly.. since all they did is get him cheap and clog up their system for years

and

2: it doesnt solve the nucks cap issues at all.
- Dozzer

Why are we always talking about Vancouver's problems?

(frank) them.

Let them wallow in thier own excrement.

I think that ship has sailed ....Big Ben looking good and just given an extension.

Last fall I would have said Florida, Toronto, TBay, Washington, Colorado, Columbus would have all been fits for Lou. The new CBA rules and the play of Reimer, Bob, Bishop and a few others has tightened that up a lot.

Florida is the only team out there that stills seems a good fit ...maybe the Isles.

Tim Thomas could still play into this whole equation too.
- The Law

Ben Bishop is beyond average... since his first game there his numbers have been pretty bad.

He isn't good enough to thrive in a system like that... completely offensive. He was protected in the system created in Ottawa.. look at Anderson. A good goalie made to look like a Vezina caliber guy.

Its no coincidence that almost all goalies who have played for Ottawa this year have steller numbers... no different than Phoenix.. Mike Smith, Bryzgalov, and Lababera have all been made to look better than they actually are.

Bishop will be gone by the all star break next year.. he is not a starter.. quote me on it.

6.7 for the next 5 ....then 3.8 for 1. It's still a lot of salary. His low salary years probably come a little too late to make it worth while.

Honestly, I think the plan has always been to play those 5 more years ...maybe the sixth. No way he opens up his hockey bag for those last 3 years at 1 milly.
I don't see Van moving Schneider after all this drama. I think they'll prefer to move Lou to Fla and probably have to eat a little salary to make it happen.

If you're Florida and Lou is a free agent what would you pay him? I'm guessing 4 or 5 years at 5ish milly per year. They should be able to get something done via trade. There just won't be any meaningful assets coming back to Van.
- The Law

DO you know how much 1 Million dollars is. I know he has alot of money, but it's 1 million dollars. It's not like they are paying him in gift vouchers. Wanna play for 3 more years and then buy a helicopter. Or an island. Or 821917 bags of skittles. (frank) yes i'm playing

DO you know how much 1 Million dollars is. I know he has alot of money, but it's 1 million dollars. It's not like they are paying him in gift vouchers. Wanna play for 3 more years and then buy a helicopter. Or an island. Or 821917 bags of skittles. (frank) yes i'm playing
- walshyleafsfan

Talk about tasting the rainbow!

Talk about tasting the rainbow!
- Mr_Clean

And they are the big bags. Not the little piddly ones.

Markstrom's an issue for sure but Florida has shown interest in Lou so I have to assume they've considered that and believe the two can work together.
- The Law

lets just see how it plays out.. i sincerely doubt any team takes him without a huge package coming along with him

DO you know how much 1 Million dollars is. I know he has alot of money, but it's 1 million dollars. It's not like they are paying him in gift vouchers. Wanna play for 3 more years and then buy a helicopter. Or an island. Or 821917 bags of skittles. (frank) yes i'm playing
- walshyleafsfan

Ummm... that last number is inaccurate.

You cannot foresee what the price of Skittles will be that year.

its not just about salary.. its about clogging up the development of a very very good and promising young goalie in markstrom

man.. i am serious.. the nucks will end up buying him out unless they pile a bunch of young cheap assets on top of him

you just wait.
- Dozzer

I know you are entitled to your opinion.. and you're a ref. But you're wrong.

They will get "something" for him.. they may have to take salary back. But it won't require them "piling on a bunch of young cheap assets" to get the deal done.

And CS has given lots of praise to Luongo for helping his development... Markstrom needs at least 2 full seasons being a back up.. and hopefully to a goalie that can actually teach him some stuff. A guy like Luongo would do wonders for his development. But I do agree.. it would just end up putting Florida in the same position Canucks are!

So I don't think Florida is the best team for Lu.. but it will be an option I'm sure.

Ummm... that last number is inaccurate.

You cannot foresee what the price of Skittles will be that year.

- Tee-Dot

Crap you're right. Yeah, he won't play actually. I do think though my local gas station is competively priced, so i may be able to get some cheaper than you guys.

Why are we always talking about Vancouver's problems?

(frank) them.

Let them wallow in thier own excrement.
- Tee-Dot

something to chat about.. they are really quite (frank)ed as it stands right now

he can only eat so much.. and whatever he eats is still on the nucks books for cap hit.. the nucks paying out part ofluongo's salary doest count against florida's cap at all.

so

1: the argument that it helps florida reach the floor becomes kind of silly.. since all they did is get him cheap and clog up their system for years

and

2: it doesnt solve the nucks cap issues at all.
- Dozzer

We're getting into the finite details here but ...
1. Nobody has made the imfamous cap floor argument
2. It does if they eat a reasonable amount say 1 or 1.5 per year. I said 20% of his salary which would be 1.34 per year in salary and about 1 in cap space. That would gain them over 4 million in space that they desperately need.

Hello HB peeps, Leafs getting closer to the first goal back to respectability.
- LeafMan

lol @ avatar - nice!

DO you know how much 1 Million dollars is. I know he has alot of money, but it's 1 million dollars. It's not like they are paying him in gift vouchers. Wanna play for 3 more years and then buy a helicopter. Or an island. Or 821917 bags of skittles. (frank) yes i'm playing
- walshyleafsfan

He is such a competitive guy.. and his family is SOOOO important to him (also being italian heritage).. if he isn't a starter at that point in his career. He will retire.. not a chance in a million years he plays as a back up for 1 million per.. after making over 80 million in his career.. where he can spend that time with his family.. living the lapse of luxury.

Would you rather have 80 million in the bank and a few more years in your prime to spend with your family... or 83 million in the bank.. and that time spent away from your family??

I know you are entitled to your opinion.. and you're a ref. But you're wrong.

They will get "something" for him.. they may have to take salary back. But it won't require them "piling on a bunch of young cheap assets" to get the deal done.

And CS has given lots of praise to Luongo for helping his development... Markstrom needs at least 2 full seasons being a back up.. and hopefully to a goalie that can actually teach him some stuff. A guy like Luongo would do wonders for his development. But I do agree.. it would just end up putting Florida in the same position Canucks are!

So I don't think Florida is the best team for Lu.. but it will be an option I'm sure.
- kneughter

Why do you need the confirmations of Leaf fans to make you sleep better at night?

I know you are entitled to your opinion.. and you're a ref. But you're wrong.

They will get "something" for him.. they may have to take salary back. But it won't require them "piling on a bunch of young cheap assets" to get the deal done.

And CS has given lots of praise to Luongo for helping his development... Markstrom needs at least 2 full seasons being a back up.. and hopefully to a goalie that can actually teach him some stuff. A guy like Luongo would do wonders for his development. But I do agree.. it would just end up putting Florida in the same position Canucks are!

So I don't think Florida is the best team for Lu.. but it will be an option I'm sure.
- kneughter

jesus (frank)! they cant AFFORD to take salary back!

they need all the cap space they can get!

why cant you guys get this one simple fact through your heads?

something to chat about.. they are really quite (frank)ed as it stands right now
- Dozzer

what poor sap is going to get hog tied for their tickets...PLAYOFF TICKETS!!

Ben Bishop is beyond average... since his first game there his numbers have been pretty bad.

He isn't good enough to thrive in a system like that... completely offensive. He was protected in the system created in Ottawa.. look at Anderson. A good goalie made to look like a Vezina caliber guy.

Its no coincidence that almost all goalies who have played for Ottawa this year have steller numbers... no different than Phoenix.. Mike Smith, Bryzgalov, and Lababera have all been made to look better than they actually are.

Bishop will be gone by the all star break next year.. he is not a starter.. quote me on it.
- kneughter

Fair enough. I just figure they handed him a nice new contract so they probably won't be in the Lou talks this summer.