ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out

why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting. also.. they have a very young goalie in the ranks and taking Lu on his current contract will only put them in the same boat vancouver is in right now in a couple years.

vancouver will have to pay big time to get rid of him.. so its really gonna come down to ownership putting a $ figure on the picks and prospects that they have and see if giving them up is a cheaper option than the buyout
- Dozzer

I think it's easier than that.

Vancouver agrees to eat a portion of the salary, and sends him there, getting a middling but not spectacular return for him in the process.

Of course it's been said that Lou wants to return to Florida. But, frankly, that's speculative and if Florida does really want him at 3-4 million a year (in real salary; they of course won't care in the slightest about cap implications) they will give up something to make sure they get him at that price.

What makes you think Luongo is signing a 3 or 4 year contract at 3 million per???? When a guy like Howard is going to be getting 5.3 million??

If Lu is getting bought out... and he is signing a 3 year deal.. he is signing for at least 4.5-5.5 million. Even with the double pay... he is a at the very least a top 10 goalie in this league.. if not top 5 when playing on his A game.
- kneughter

because he wants to play in a specific location

might take the discount to make that happen

I think it's easier than that.

Vancouver agrees to eat a portion of the salary, and sends him there, getting a middling but not spectacular return for him in the process.

Of course it's been said that Lou wants to return to Florida. But, frankly, that's speculative and if Florida does really want him at 3-4 million a year (in real salary; they of course won't care in the slightest about cap implications) they will give up something to make sure they get him at that price.
- Mr_Clean

if you were florida's GM would you give up ANYTHING to get him?

I wouldnt... not when you know you can sit tight and sign him for free.

ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out
why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting. also.. they have a very young goalie in the ranks and taking Lu on his current contract will only put them in the same boat vancouver is in right now in a couple years.

vancouver will have to pay big time to get rid of him.. so its really gonna come down to ownership putting a $ figure on the picks and prospects that they have and see if giving them up is a cheaper option than the buyout
- Dozzer

It ain't happenin' ....teams have budgets ...and they never account for an extra 27 million dollars.

6.7 for the next 5 ....then 3.8 for 1. It's still a lot of salary. His low salary years probably come a little too late to make it worth while.

Honestly, I think the plan has always been to play those 5 more years ...maybe the sixth. No way he opens up his hockey bag for those last 3 years at 1 milly.

I don't see Van moving Schneider after all this drama. I think they'll prefer to move Lou to Fla and probably have to eat a little salary to make it happen.

If you're Florida and Lou is a free agent what would you pay him? I'm guessing 4 or 5 years at 5ish milly per year. They should be able to get something done via trade. There just won't be any meaningful assets coming back to Van.
- The Law

Thats my guess too... I assumed there would be some salary coming back.. it almost has to for most teams.

This topic has been beaten to death.. I have no idea what is going to happen with him anymore!

I think it's easier than that.

Vancouver agrees to eat a portion of the salary, and sends him there, getting a middling but not spectacular return for him in the process.Of course it's been said that Lou wants to return to Florida. But, frankly, that's speculative and if Florida does really want him at 3-4 million a year (in real salary; they of course won't care in the slightest about cap implications) they will give up something to make sure they get him at that price.
- Mr_Clean

I'm guessing that'll be the winning formula.

optimus
- big_dion

He's so dreamy

if you were florida's GM would you give up ANYTHING to get him?

I wouldnt... not when you know you can sit tight and sign him for free.
- Dozzer

But that's exactly what I'm saying: you don't know you can sit tight and sign him for free.

He says he would prefer to go to Florida. But maybe he'd change his mind and prefer going to, say, a Cup contender or a team that was willing to overpay him.

If I'm Tallon, and I talk to Vancouver and get them to guarantee Luongo at the (dollar) price I want, I give up pieces to make it happen, because no such guarantee exists if Luongo were to get bought out.

A lot of people called him "Another Dupuis.."
- jbold

Two for truth

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because he wants to play in a specific location

might take the discount to make that happen
- Dozzer

Even then... I don't think he signs for anything less than 4 with a discount.

Tampa would take him for 3 years at 4-5 million cap hit. A lot of teams would.

So Florida and Tampa can fight for him at that price.

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- LeafMan

It's only a matter of time

I troll here n there.. but I do understand players value. I like Luongo.. I think he has higher value than a lot of people think.. but lower than most Canucks fans think.

He will get a return that will surprise people.. only because now people actually believe buying out is the only option left.
- kneughter

No, he really doesn't. And that type of thinking is why Gillis' time in Vancouver is going to come to an unceremonious end very shortly.

Do I think he'll be bought out? No. But I do think he'll be traded for a return that will qualify as "nothing" for all intents and purposes.

Or he gets thrown on the waiver wire.

if you were florida's GM would you give up ANYTHING to get him?

I wouldnt... not when you know you can sit tight and sign him for free.
- Dozzer

What is anything? The better question is if you're the owner of the Nucks why would you blow your budget to buyout Lou when you could instead ...
a) move Schneider
b) eat some of Lou's salary to move him elsewhere

I think Florida will get a call before the draft that basically sounds like this
"Roberto for a couple of mid round picks and some player(s) that will round out our AHL team AND we pay 20% of Roberto's contract for the balance of his playing years"

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- LeafMan

It's nice that I don't have to defend the fact that I'm a leaf fan to other fan bases. At least for the time being.

But that's exactly what I'm saying: you don't know you can sit tight and sign him for free.

He says he would prefer to go to Florida. But maybe he'd change his mind and prefer going to, say, a Cup contender or a team that was willing to overpay him.

If I'm Tallon, and I talk to Vancouver and get them to guarantee Luongo at the (dollar) price I want, I give up pieces to make it happen, because no such guarantee exists if Luongo were to get bought out.
- Mr_Clean

There is a 0% chance that a cup contender will take him.

I can't think of any cup contenders in need of a goalie with that much money/cap space to fritter away.

It ain't happenin' ....teams have budgets ...and they never account for an extra 27 million dollars.
- The Law

they cant force a team to take him tho now can they?

and if they want to get under the cap......

its called a rock and hard place

gillis is (frank)ed unless another GM lets him off the hook

What is anything? The better question is if you're the owner of the Nucks why would you blow your budget to buyout Lou when you could instead ...
a) move Schneider
b) eat some of Lou's salary to move him elsewhere

I think Florida will get a call before the draft that basically sounds like this
"Roberto for a couple of mid round picks and some player(s) that will round out our AHL team AND we pay 20% of Roberto's contract for the balance of his playing years"
- The Law

I could even imagine them giving up a future 2nd pick (not this years) or a middling roster player.

But that's exactly what I'm saying: you don't know you can sit tight and sign him for free.

He says he would prefer to go to Florida. But maybe he'd change his mind and prefer going to, say, a Cup contender or a team that was willing to overpay him.

If I'm Tallon, and I talk to Vancouver and get them to guarantee Luongo at the (dollar) price I want, I give up pieces to make it happen, because no such guarantee exists if Luongo were to get bought out.
- Mr_Clean

the reason is a fellow by the name of Jakob Markstrom who isnt about to sit around and wait til he is 29 to play as a starter

There is a 0% chance that a cup contender will take him.

I can't think of any cup contenders in need of a goalie with that much money/cap space to fritter away.
- Leeman4Gilmour

You don't think Philadelphia might be interested if they buy out Bryzgalov? They have been (frank)ed year in and year out by not having goaltending... And I don't they are as far away from contender status as their record this year would indicate.

There is a 0% chance that a cup contender will take him.

I can't think of any cup contenders in need of a goalie with that much money/cap space to fritter away.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Well I think the assumption was... he is bought out... with the intention of going to Florida.. but signs a 1 or 2 year deal at 2-3 million with a cup contender.

Depends who faulters this year.. I don't think a team like San Jose.. St Louis.. Chicago, Tampa or say Washingon wouldn't be interested. (Not saying all our contenders, but with quality goaltending make a big jump)

What is anything? The better question is if you're the owner of the Nucks why would you blow your budget to buyout Lou when you could instead ...
a) move Schneider
b) eat some of Lou's salary to move him elsewhere

I think Florida will get a call before the draft that basically sounds like this
"Roberto for a couple of mid round picks and some player(s) that will round out our AHL team AND we pay 20% of Roberto's contract for the balance of his playing years"
- The Law

its not just about salary.. its about clogging up the development of a very very good and promising young goalie in markstrom

man.. i am serious.. the nucks will end up buying him out unless they pile a bunch of young cheap assets on top of him

you just wait.

Even then... I don't think he signs for anything less than 4 with a discount.

Tampa would take him for 3 years at 4-5 million cap hit. A lot of teams would.

So Florida and Tampa can fight for him at that price.
- kneughter

I think that ship has sailed ....Big Ben looking good and just given an extension.

Last fall I would have said Florida, Toronto, TBay, Washington, Colorado, Columbus would have all been fits for Lou. The new CBA rules and the play of Reimer, Bob, Bishop and a few others has tightened that up a lot.

Florida is the only team out there that stills seems a good fit ...maybe the Isles.

Tim Thomas could still play into this whole equation too.

the reason is a fellow by the name of Jakob Markstrom who isnt about to sit around and wait til he is 29 to play as a starter
- Dozzer

You think Luongo will want to sign a one or two year deal with Florida for 3-4 million dollars?

I think he commands a lot more than that on the market. A lot.

So if Florida will only take him for cheap, on a short-term basis, I don't think they'll get him at all. If they are willing to take him on medium- or long-term for cheap, that may be possible.

EDIT: I guess what I'm saying is, if Florida thinks Markstrom will be their starter next year or the year after, Luongo won't be going there at all.

No, he really doesn't. And that type of thinking is why Gillis' time in Vancouver is going to come to an unceremonious end very shortly.

Do I think he'll be bought out? No. But I do think he'll be traded for a return that will qualify as "nothing" for all intents and purposes.

Or he gets thrown on the waiver wire.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Again.. thats just your opinion.. as I have mine. I don't think he is getting a 1st round draft pick.. or a top tier prospect. But I do not think he will get "Nothing"

Something in the 2nd/3rd round pick area.. and a mid level prospect straight up. Or maybe a bit more with the other team giving back salary. Not out of the question for a top 5-10 goalie in the league.. despite that contract.