Remember when people complained about that signing, pascal dupuis2.0.
- burn

"Who is this guy, why did we sign him, Derp derp derp?"

Yeah, I remember that. Same people are probably nominating him for the Selke as we speak

I thought McClement was going to get third star myself. Actually said it out loud to a buddy.
- dragus84

yup, really starting to like that guy. I remember before the season, many were asking why the redundant 4th line centre with him and Steckel. Well, now we know why we are not GM's.

It'll depend on what alternatives exist out there but both Vancity and Lou are at the breaking point. I highly doubt ownership approves a 27 million dollar buyout.

To a non-cap team like Fla his contract is much "less bad" than to another team. Lou's contract is 6.7 for the next 4 years followed by 3.4 for 1 ...that's basically 5 years and 30 million ....still high but not terrible.

If Florida is interested than they have options ....make Vancouver add some pieces or take some pieces and/or eat some of Lou's salary. Lots of options ....all assuming Florida stays in Florida and that they don't add some other veteran goalie.
- The Law

I agree... everything is speculation at this point. But I think its obvious Gillis asking price is too high. But what really is the asking price? Apparently what Dreger reported wasn't completely accurate and others say it is. Gillis and Nonis have been hush hush though.

I think some sort of deal will get done... I'm leaning towards Florida.

speaking of pieces i just hope they keep kessel away from the KFC 20 PC deals and i'll be happy
- Dozzer

But I thought you guys wanted him to be more of a physical presence...

Remember when people complained about that signing, pascal dupuis2.0.
- burn

I knew he'd be a stud for you guys, his defensive awareness has always been through the roof (according to the advanced scouting I did in NHL 11)

But I thought you guys wanted him to be more of a physical presence...
- Mr_Clean

haha ya. maybe he can eat a few of those 20 pc buckets to bulk up a bit... and then go to the gary roberts school to turn it into steel

Canucks would love Franson on their team. Probably could've got him and a pick for Lu last summer. Oops!

Best goalie performance of the season.

vancity cant afford to do that tho. and you have to be with a team for a certain period of time to be eligible for a buyout. so florida cant just send some over priced guy to vancouver to be bought out.

vancouver is looking at one of two options imo

1: buyout luongo

2: trade schneider

however.. i guess vancouver could pay to move him via picks and prospects..

if gillis came to nonis and said luongo, vancouver's first, and guance for scrivens and say colborne i'd be inclined to consider it.
- Dozzer

now you are heading in the right direction... but I'm guessing in the Leaf's case, particularly if the Reimer/Scrivens tandem continues to be good TOronto won't be a landing spot for Luongo... .and if it was then there would have to be contract going back to Vancouver, such as Liles and/or Grabovski - and then there would have to be more coming Toronto's direction.... perhaps even the untouchable, otherworldly Corrado.

I don't think any level headed Canucks fan ever suggested that deal. Maybe Kadri and a 1st 2 years ago would have made a little bit of sense.
- kneughter

such a creature doesn't exist....nice try you sneaky dog!

I agree... everything is speculation at this point. But I think its obvious Gillis asking price is too high. But what really is the asking price? Apparently what Dreger reported wasn't completely accurate and others say it is. Gillis and Nonis have been hush hush though.

I think some sort of deal will get done... I'm leaning towards Florida.
- kneughter

you are using the wrong words there... replace " I'm leaning towards " with " I'm praying for "...

yup, really starting to like that guy. I remember before the season, many were asking why the redundant 4th line centre with him and Steckel. Well, now we know why we are not GM's.
- vermie22

A lot of people called him "Another Dupuis.."

you are using the wrong words there... replace " I'm leaning towards " with " I'm praying for "...
- BorjeFan4Ever

No I say that because I personally think for the next year or 2 Leafs should just stick with Reimer/Scrivens. And then see what happens.

I also don't know if Lu waves to go to Toronto anyways.. he seems to have his heart set on being near his family in Florida.. as thats where he spends majority of the off season.

Who knows what will happen.. I can almost guarantee he does not get bought out. They would definitely deal CS before even considering that.

I do believe Gillis best chance to trade him was this past off season... but was better off keeping him after the TDL.. this off season may create some action for him. We will find out.

I agree... everything is speculation at this point. But I think its obvious Gillis asking price is too high. But what really is the asking price? Apparently what Dreger reported wasn't completely accurate and others say it is. Gillis and Nonis have been hush hush though.

I think some sort of deal will get done... I'm leaning towards Florida.
- kneughter

Luongo, because of his contract, just doesn't make any sense for any of the "Cap teams" - teams that spend to, or close to, the cap. The cap hit if he plays out his contract and the cap penalty if he retires are just too big of a liability.

But to a low cap team that needs a good veteran goalie there's probably a deal to be made.

such a creature doesn't exist....nice try you sneaky dog!
- BlowMonkey

such a creature doesn't exist....nice try you sneaky dog!
- BlowMonkey

I troll here n there.. but I do understand players value. I like Luongo.. I think he has higher value than a lot of people think.. but lower than most Canucks fans think.

He will get a return that will surprise people.. only because now people actually believe buying out is the only option left.

optimus

Luongo, because of his contract, just doesn't make any sense for any of the "Cap teams" - teams that spend to, or close to, the cap. The cap hit if he plays out his contract and the cap penalty if he retires are just too big of a liability.

But to a low cap team that needs a good veteran goalie there's probably a deal to be made.
- The Law

I think a team like NYI would like his contract... low actual dollars (after a couple seasons).. with a higher cap hit.

It'll depend on what alternatives exist out there but both Vancity and Lou are at the breaking point. I highly doubt ownership approves a 27 million dollar buyout.

To a non-cap team like Fla his contract is much "less bad" than to another team. Lou's contract is 6.7 for the next 4 years followed by 3.4 for 1 ...that's basically 5 years and 30 million ....still high but not terrible.

If Florida is interested than they have options ....make Vancouver add some pieces or take some pieces and/or eat some of Lou's salary. Lots of options ....all assuming Florida stays in Florida and that they don't add some other veteran goalie.
- The Law

ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out

why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting. also.. they have a very young goalie in the ranks and taking Lu on his current contract will only put them in the same boat vancouver is in right now in a couple years.

vancouver will have to pay big time to get rid of him.. so its really gonna come down to ownership putting a $ figure on the picks and prospects that they have and see if giving them up is a cheaper option than the buyout

ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out

why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting. also.. they have a very young goalie in the ranks and taking Lu on his current contract will only put them in the same boat vancouver is in right now in a couple years.

vancouver will have to pay big time to get rid of him.. so its really gonna come down to ownership putting a $ figure on the picks and prospects that they have and see if giving them up is a cheaper option than the buyout
- Dozzer

afternoon all

bruce you are all over this luongo topic, and il tell ya...your bang on.

nuck fans i feel have started to see the big picture...and if they havnt yet, they will as time goes on.

that being said, nonis is a hero in my books for sticking with his gun and keeping reimer/scrivens for the long haul.

ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out

why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting.
- Dozzer

Some GM's will do anything to save their jobs.

afternoon all

bruce you are all over this luongo topic, and il tell ya...your bang on.

nuck fans i feel have started to see the big picture...and if they havnt yet, they will as time goes on.

that being said, nonis is a hero in my books for sticking with his gun and keeping reimer/scrivens for the long haul.
- big_dion

yeah, i think reimer is proving to be more than capable. 17-5-4 on a young team who only learned to play D this season?

goaltending is a non issue in toronto imo.. reimer just turned 25 last month.. give him a couple years.. he will be a beast in net.

ask yourself this

you are florida and you can get Lu for maybe 3 million per for 3 or 4 years and all you have to do is wait for vancouver to buy him out

why would you take on that salary when you can get the same player cheaper by just waiting. also.. they have a very young goalie in the ranks and taking Lu on his current contract will only put them in the same boat vancouver is in right now in a couple years.

vancouver will have to pay big time to get rid of him.. so its really gonna come down to ownership putting a $ figure on the picks and prospects that they have and see if giving them up is a cheaper option than the buyout
- Dozzer

What makes you think Luongo is signing a 3 or 4 year contract at 3 million per???? When a guy like Howard is going to be getting 5.3 million??

If Lu is getting bought out... and he is signing a 3 year deal.. he is signing for at least 4.5-5.5 million. Even with the double pay... he is a at the very least a top 10 goalie in this league.. if not top 5 when playing on his A game.

I think a team like NYI would like his contract... low actual dollars (after a couple seasons).. with a higher cap hit.
- kneughter

6.7 for the next 5 ....then 3.8 for 1. It's still a lot of salary. His low salary years probably come a little too late to make it worth while.

Honestly, I think the plan has always been to play those 5 more years ...maybe the sixth. No way he opens up his hockey bag for those last 3 years at 1 milly.

I don't see Van moving Schneider after all this drama. I think they'll prefer to move Lou to Fla and probably have to eat a little salary to make it happen.

If you're Florida and Lou is a free agent what would you pay him? I'm guessing 4 or 5 years at 5ish milly per year. They should be able to get something done via trade. There just won't be any meaningful assets coming back to Van.

Some GM's will do anything to save their jobs.
- jbold

true. but he can only do so much.. he might give up too much to get rid of him.. and lose his job anyways