You really are not very good at this -- the numbers I provided about this season were a response to your point about Lou's numbers RIGHT NOW. Try to keep up or go back to Esplen's blog where life is simpler.

Here is your post if it helps

Right.. but his numbers are pretty solid right NOW.. so I don't quite understand what you're saying.

The problem isn't what he will do tomorrow.. its what he will do 4-5 years from now that makes him difficult to move. Its quite apparent to most people that having him on your team for the next 3-4 years at his cap hit will be fine. Its the 4 years after that where he is barely a back up still taking up 5.3 million
- Canada Cup

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.

In a heartbeat.. YOU WOULDN'T?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Kadri has just as good of a chance of being a flash in the pan than repeating this same kind of season next year. Datsyuk.. you know for a fact what you are getting for the next few years. An all star super stud who is one of the best 2 way players in the game. Kadri could get 10 points in 80 games next year. You have absolutely no idea.
- kneughter

Guess you are a fan of the Phil Kessel for Tyler Seguin/Dougie Hamilton trade. Or the Alexei Yashin for Jason Spezza & Zdeno Chara trade yes?

Noone's argueing with you that Datsyuk is the better player, only an idiot would say otherwise, but is a 38 year old Datsyuk going to be better than a 26 year old Kadri? I think not.

So is Lupul playing tonight?

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

none of what you are implying or trying to say changes anything on which an evaluation of Luongo's trade value will be based.

1) Luongo is worth very little or next to nothing BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT duration and his age. No amount of self-imposed green-blue blindness should be enough to obfuscate this fact. Gillis will not get much IF ANY return for Luongo.

2) Gillis has very nicely painted himself and the Canucks into a corner relative to the CAP, and as many here and other places have already said, it is unlikely that Luongo will be bought out... not because it isn't the smartest thing to do... but most likely because no GM who signs a player to such as contract is likely to go to the owner who has to pay for it and then ask for permission to piss $27M down the drain.

3) Vancouver fan base was delusional (as was Gillis) all through last summer, the lockout and the early part of this season.

Please don't come in here and attempt to convince anyone of Luongo's value. He has none currenlty, and the sooner Gillis and Canuckleheads realize this, they'll be in a better situation to begin to attempt to figure out how they are going to get out of CAP hell without sacrificing the few middling prospects they do have.

Luongo had played I believe 11 games at this point.. not too much less than most starters at that point and was top 5.. 1 game killed it for him.

At that point people were talking about trading CS because his season was fantastic up to that point of the season. His numbers aren't atrocious.. way better than Price.. doesn't mean Price is an average starter.
- kneughter

Luongo's numbers fit in with some of the other back-ups. Not as good as a lot of them and not as good as ours but still respectable.

p.s - I don't think you get do-overs when you calculate stats.

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.
- kneughter

probably not the best time of the season to be making this argument.

And once again, you don't seem to get it: I don't give foo tucks what Luongo did two years ago.

Nobody wants to bring a guy on board who will jam up your salary cap for 3-6 years. You 'nucks fans seem to have a learning disability when it comes to grasping this simple concept.

I don't care about yesterday. Focus on how badly he will eff up a team tomorrow.

Get it?
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree with everything except that part. Some teams don't care about cap ...only real dollars.

In a heartbeat.. YOU WOULDN'T?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Kadri has just as good of a chance of being a flash in the pan than repeating this same kind of season next year. Datsyuk.. you know for a fact what you are getting for the next few years. An all star super stud who is one of the best 2 way players in the game. Kadri could get 10 points in 80 games next year. You have absolutely no idea.
- kneughter

A deteriorating asset, whose numbers are slowly but surely shrinking, who will turn 35 this summer, and has one year left on his contract before he becomes a UFA?

I'd say Luongo's value is right about where Bryan McCabes was when we traded him to Florida.

My argument was directed towards the genius who was trying to tell me Reimer is a better goalie than Luongo because of how half of a season is going.. another guy telling me he is an average starter.

BECAUSE OF HALF OF ONE SEASON.. you guys are better than that
- kneughter

And speaking of average...let's talk about Luongo's playoff numbers.

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.
- kneughter

you sound like Gillis right before the trade deadline...

do you know if Nonis got the restraining order?

I agree with everything except that part. Some teams don't care about cap ...only real dollars.
- The Law

This I agree with you. Luongo will probably end up in Florida, cause the cap hit is not a concern with that team

I agree with everything except that part. Some teams don't care about cap ...only real dollars.
- The Law

Yeah, but those teams don't want to have to pay his real dollars.

So go back to my earlier post: if he isn't snatched on waivers, it becomes an issue of how much salary the Canucks have to eat.

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.
- kneughter

A lot of goalies see their numbers pick up between the ages of 34 and 35. By the end of the contract, he'll be lights out.

Literally.

A deteriorating asset, whose numbers are slowly but surely shrinking, who will turn 35 this summer, and has one year left on his contract before he becomes a UFA?
- Atomic Wedgie

That would go over real well here. Though we did trade a 22 year old Vincent Damphouse for a 30 plus year old Grant Fuhr........

Luongo's numbers fit in with some of the other back-ups. Not as good as a lot of them and not as good as ours but still respectable.

p.s - I don't think you get do-overs when you calculate stats.
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If you take away my face, I'm pretty good looking.

Ummm ... You're missing a round
- .HOHO.

The original scenario started with the Isles in round one ....no need to include them in my summary b/c none of us really care about them.

And by us I mean all animal and plant forms of life.

I'd say Luongo's value is right about where Bryan McCabes was when we traded him to Florida.
- mykokes

about right... except that McCabe had only two more years left at that point.....

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.
- kneughter

Kind of important considering his middling stats this year.

A lot of goalies see their numbers pick up between the ages of 34 and 35. By the end of the contract, he'll be lights out.

Literally.
- Canada Cup

If I'm argueing the pro-luongo side, I might use Ed Belfour as my example. ie. what Eddie did here in the those two seasons, after doing horrible right before coming here.

But Luongo ain't Belfour. And Belfour didn't have Luongo's contract.

To quote the man himself "MY CONTRACT SUCKS!"

And speaking of average...let's talk about Luongo's playoff numbers.
- p_zub

now that's just not fair...

because they won't get any opportunity to change this year

most likely if Luongo plays in the playoffs it will be because Schneider has crapped the bed.. and the Canucks would already be behind in a series... then they could blame the loss on Luongo again!

If I'm argueing the pro-luongo side, I might use Ed Belfour as my example. ie. what Eddie did here in the those two seasons, after doing horrible right before coming here.

But Luongo ain't Belfour. And Belfour didn't have Luongo's contract.
- mykokes

Belfour was also a risky bet...great for two seasons, then we couldn't buy him out fast enough. We need more than two years from our goalie going forward.

Belfour was also a risky bet...great for two seasons, then we couldn't buy him out fast enough. We need more than two years from our goalie going forward.
- p_zub

And that's just it, great for two seasons. Sure Luongo could be great for two seasons too, but what the hell are we going to do with those other 8 seasons.

If you take away my face, I'm pretty good looking.
- Atomic Wedgie

Big tits?

I know what I said.. so because Reimer has better numbers than Luongo right now Reimer is the BETTER goalie?? NO.. he is not

Going into next year.. you would be better off (skill wise) going with Luongo than Reimer... not saying contract wise.
- kneughter

you should try that logic in a Habs forum ... just for laughs.