Right.. but his numbers are pretty solid right NOW.. so I don't quite understand what you're saying.

The problem isn't what he will do tomorrow.. its what he will do 4-5 years from now that makes him difficult to move. Its quite apparent to most people that having him on your team for the next 3-4 years at his cap hit will be fine. Its the 4 years after that where he is barely a back up still taking up 5.3 million
- kneughter

His numbers (save %) are pretty solid backup goalie numbers. They are at the lower end of starters numbers. They are lower than our starter and our back-up whose combined cap hit is less than his.

All this BEFORE any discussion of the length of bhis contract

His save % disagrees.


Wow, good point.

Oh, wait: that's what I said in my last two posts.

And also please keep in mind, having him on your team for the next 3-4 years and being OK with the salary cap hit won't neccessarily be fine.

He's on a downward trend at the moment.

You know, losing his starting job and all...
- Atomic Wedgie

He won't be a canuck after this season.. (unless they go crazy and decide to deal CS) but gillis will figure it out. I don't really care what he does with him.. but he will get some sort of deal done that won't involve a buy out.

And Luongo has been pretty solid this season.. He had one game at Detroit where he (and the team) were atrocious. With like a .400 SP.. and when you only play 18 games.. that takes him from top 5 to 20th.

The question is whether or not you can find somebody willing to take the hit on 9 years of remaining contract for 3 years of productive play.

The answer is no.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I'm pretty sure there is a four letter word that goes in front of that "no."

Followed by rounds of laughter, as Gillis looks all sheepish and hangs up the phone, followed by a lenghty session of burying his face in his hands and taking deep breaths.

Right.. but his numbers are pretty solid right NOW.. so I don't quite understand what you're saying.

The problem isn't what he will do tomorrow.. its what he will do 4-5 years from now that makes him difficult to move. Its quite apparent to most people that having him on your team for the next 3-4 years at his cap hit will be fine. Its the 4 years after that where he is barely a back up still taking up 5.3 million
- kneughter

No the problem is absolutely what he will do tomorrow, because that is what's setting the price Gillis is asking for. Right now, and tomorrow, he is merely an average NHL starter.

His numbers (save %) are pretty solid backup goalie numbers. They are at the lower end of starters numbers. They are lower than our starter and our back-up whose combined cap hit is less than his.

All this BEFORE any discussion of the length of bhis contract
- Canada Cup

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?

No the problem is absolutely what he will do tomorrow, because that is what's setting the price Gillis is asking for. Right now, and tomorrow, he is merely an average NHL starter.
- p_zub

Anyone with half a brain knows he is more than that.. man you guys put sooooo much emphasis on RIGHT NOW. Look at Ovechkin... prime example.

You know how many goalies/players I can name who have had 1 or 2 great seasons only to fade away into oblivion?? Many many more than players who have consistenly put up great numbers throughout a 600+ game career.

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

should left that part out...

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

When you're talking about a 34 year old goalie, and seeing how fast Kipper fell off....YES

As for Florida, unless Vancouver eats some of the salary, they're a no as well. So who does that leave for potential suitors for Luongo? Maybe we'll get a better picture after these playoffs......

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

And not a full season either... About half a season, to this point in time.

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

First of all, this debate shouldn't matter.

Also, don't bother comparing those guys because you know that the analogy makes no sense at all.

Luongo is on the decline + he has a terrible contract, one which he admits has bound him to Vancouver. Time to move on.

First of all, this debate shouldn't matter.

Also, don't bother comparing those guys because you know that the analogy makes no sense at all.

Luongo is on the decline + he has a terrible contract, one which he admits has bound him to Vancouver. Time to move on.
- A_Tree

My argument was directed towards the genius who was trying to tell me Reimer is a better goalie than Luongo because of how half of a season is going.. another guy telling me he is an average starter.

BECAUSE OF HALF OF ONE SEASON.. you guys are better than that

Anyone with half a brain knows he is more than that.. man you guys put sooooo much emphasis on RIGHT NOW. Look at Ovechkin... prime example.

You know how many goalies/players I can name who have had 1 or 2 great seasons only to fade away into oblivion?? Many many more than players who have consistenly put up great numbers throughout a 600+ game career.
- kneughter

Ovechkin is not 34, so not a close comparison at all. Kiprusoff is a closer comparison than Ovechkin is.

I figure that Lupul will be in, as will Gunnerson and Scrivens. We may also see Hamilton in, for MacLaren. I don't think that Washington is the type of team that'll want to get into a blood match. The points are too important to them, due to needing to stay ahead of Winnipeg. Leafs need some fresh legs, after that grueling game, last night.

He won't be a canuck after this season.. (unless they go crazy and decide to deal CS) but gillis will figure it out. I don't really care what he does with him.. but he will get some sort of deal done that won't involve a buy out.

And Luongo has been pretty solid this season.. He had one game at Detroit where he (and the team) were atrocious. With like a .400 SP.. and when you only play 18 games.. that takes him from top 5 to 20th.
- kneughter

Get help.

Seriously.

Professional medical help.

It's not too late.

We love you, Neutered.

Ooooh! This is fun!!!

My argument was directed towards the genius who was trying to tell me Reimer is a better goalie than Luongo because of how half of a season is going.. another guy telling me he is an average starter.

BECAUSE OF HALF OF ONE SEASON.. you guys are better than that
- kneughter

I think when it comes to Reimer, the sample size is larger than half a season. Try closer to 100 gp....

Total NHL 99 51 29 14 5534 249 2933 2.70 .915 9

One of the biggest reasons I've stuck up for Reimer through thick and thin.....he's 22 games above .500 over the past 3 seasons......the teams record without him? Fricking 45-55-12. I think its time to give Reimer his due. He's a legit #1.

My argument was directed towards the genius who was trying to tell me Reimer is a better goalie than Luongo because of how half of a season is going.. another guy telling me he is an average starter.

BECAUSE OF HALF OF ONE SEASON.. you guys are better than that
- kneughter

Reimer's also not earning 5M over the next decade. In this NHL, cap hit does impact a players value, and right now, yes Reimer has way more value than Luongo. Can't see how you can argue against that.

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

Datsyuk is 34 years old.

You would really trade Kadri for him?

My argument was directed towards the genius who was trying to tell me Reimer is a better goalie than Luongo because of how half of a season is going.. another guy telling me he is an average starter.

BECAUSE OF HALF OF ONE SEASON.. you guys are better than that
- kneughter

Then why was he pulled 3 games into round 1 last season if he's this great starter you claim? If he's so great, why isn't Vancouver dying to keep this guy and itching to get rid of Schneider? Schneider's pretty much in the same boat as Reimer, good stats in a very limited sample size.

Get help.

Seriously.

Professional medical help.

It's not too late.

We love you, Neutered.
- Atomic Wedgie

I meant statistically for SP.. thats literally what happened. He was top 5 in SP before that game.. and droped to 17th after. It knocked him down .15 percentage.

Anyways.. I will leave... so you can all live in your little world

Gardiner looked worse than ever last night...put him back with O'byrne or whoever he played with the game before,,,,,

I meant statistically for SP.. thats literally what happened. He was top 5 in SP before that game.. and droped to 17th after. It knocked him down .15 percentage.

Anyways.. I will leave... so you can all live in your little world

- kneughter

And that makes Lupul a 70 goal scorer right? Markstrom's spct was .925 two games ago.....I should disregard the game's he's played since?

Datsyuk is 34 years old.

You would really trade Kadri for him?
- Atomic Wedgie

In a heartbeat.. YOU WOULDN'T?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Kadri has just as good of a chance of being a flash in the pan than repeating this same kind of season next year. Datsyuk.. you know for a fact what you are getting for the next few years. An all star super stud who is one of the best 2 way players in the game. Kadri could get 10 points in 80 games next year. You have absolutely no idea.

I guess you wouldn't trade Kadri for Datsyuk? Kadri has more goals and same number of points. Obviously they have equal value. And you wouldn't even look at a guy like Zetterberg. Giroux and Tavares are pretty much equal to Kadri too.

Is that how you determine players value? One season? And the most current one?
- kneughter

You really are not very good at this -- the numbers I provided about this season were a response to your point about Lou's numbers RIGHT NOW. Try to keep up or go back to Esplen's blog where life is simpler.

Here is your post if it helps

Right.. but his numbers are pretty solid right NOW.. so I don't quite understand what you're saying.

The problem isn't what he will do tomorrow.. its what he will do 4-5 years from now that makes him difficult to move. Its quite apparent to most people that having him on your team for the next 3-4 years at his cap hit will be fine. Its the 4 years after that where he is barely a back up still taking up 5.3 million

And that makes Lupul a 70 goal scorer right?
- mykokes

Luongo had played I believe 11 games at this point.. not too much less than most starters at that point and was top 5.. 1 game killed it for him.

At that point people were talking about trading CS because his season was fantastic up to that point of the season. His numbers aren't atrocious.. way better than Price.. doesn't mean Price is an average starter.