Last year Tampa traded Kyle Quincy to Detroit for their first round pick and a prospect. As one of many recent examples. Quincy had 26 points they year of the trade and 2 points this year as Detroit made that trade for a player they use as their 5-6 dman.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11700

Trade details at the bottom

Gagner is second highest scoring on the second line on Edmonton. He is 23 in his 6th season and just played his 400th game. He has 35 points in 40 games this year.

So yeah, I think he could be worth a first round and a pick. Especially if you look at the UFA list this year.

I am honestly curious as to what YOU think he is worth this year?
- bsteinley

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i dont think he was denying gagners value. gags is absolutely worth a first.

i think he was saying that no way we trade gagner for more picks or even prospects. we resign him or deal him for an immediate improvement

and i totally agree

i could be wrong, but thats how i read it..

If Bishop wanted to save those shots, he would have. Unlike Dubnyk (who is sh1t) Bishop is an all-star starter, and would instantly transform the Oilers into a cup contender. Bishop is the greatest goaltender in the NHL. Trade Hall, Yakupov, Dubnyk (if they want him for backup obviously) and maybe RNH (even though he is sh1t this year, due to his Mono, broken shoulder, 4 broken fingers, Polio, and cock-eyed-ness).
- laughs2907

finally someone who gets it.....

this

streit was fantastic with montreal a few years ago. but this is mostly what he was.

im not dissing streit, he was and still is a good player and would be in our top 4 without a doubt.
but 5v5 is what we really need. ill take dudes word for it as i dont watch too much nyi either. but from what i have seen, im a little unsure if he is in fact that guy.

id take him, but id explore some other avenues first
- hugefemale dog77

As would I.There are plenty of younger D we might snag with a trade.I would rather take a chance on a guy that hasn't fully lived up to expectations like Zach Bogosian,Eric Johnson or Tyler Meyers. As long as they can do the job even strength. We don't need a big producer on the PP, it's fine, how it is,fair to say.
We have the draft picks to make a trade here,I think, plus they are players with experience. (Frank) another rookie D, let em develop in the minors.

Nail is mos def the go to guy for the 2nd line. Even if he has a sophmore slump, we gotta run with him. I totally agree that only Seth could help this team next year, but there is no guarantee that he can safely play top 4 minutes,meaning we still need a D-man if the goal is making the playoff's.
I don't really understand why you want to rid the Oilers of Shaun Horcoff as 3C. His contract sucks, but it runs out on time for Yak's next contract, so tying up that money until then is good insurance against over spending. Besides, he has done pretty well for us this year, and is a pretty good 3C, just over priced.
Personally, I could care less about this draft. Nobody we take will make this team much better right away. Another top six young gun forward would be sweet, but I think it's time to start using picks as trade pieces.
Either way, drafting and keeping a player for the long term is smart, but I would like to some playoff hockey next spring.
- Jeropotato

My problem against Horcoff is two fold. 1 his cap hit hinders us if we really want to improve our second line and bring in 2 dmen. Secondly I don't think he is fast enough to keep up with Paajarvi and Hartkinen on what could be an amazing power line. But mostly the cap hit thing.

I agree that another prospect would be fun to watch being called but we need one like we need a hole in the head. We need to improve our second line, our 4th line, our d and debatably our goal tending. Again, to do this we need cap room.

I have no problem with Streit either, as long as he helps the team 5 on 5, we don't need a PP specialist. If you say he will, I'll take your word for it, I don't watch too many Islander games aside from highlights. I would prefer a 2 year deal to give some prospects development time as well.Klefbom should play a year in the AHL. This handing rookies roster spots nonsense need to stop eventually.
- Jeropotato

I agree but there is no need to give striet a no trade clause, nor are we married to any of our other d. If Klefbom earns a spot in 2 years, play him 5-6 and move him up as he gets better. If by the end of the year he is a top 4, trade the d that makes the most sense. Just like with Petry earning his spot and costing Whitney his place.

As would I.There are plenty of younger D we might snag with a trade.I would rather take a chance on a guy that hasn't fully lived up to expectations like Zach Bogosian,Eric Johnson or Tyler Meyers. As long as they can do the job even strength. We don't need a big producer on the PP, it's fine, how it is,fair to say.
We have the draft picks to make a trade here,I think, plus they are players with experience. (Frank) another rookie D, let em develop in the minors.
- Jeropotato

any one of those 3 over streit for sure. all 3 would be great.

myers is a highly unlikely, but god that would make me happy.
id even stop hating on tambs...for awhile

Let in some weak ones, kinda like every other goalie does in the NHL.

Dubnyk: 33GP 2.52GAA .922SV%
Khabibulin: 9GP 2.50GAA .923SV%

Goaltending hasn't been a problem this year... It has actually been one of our strengths.
- laughs2907

Its not the numbers. They make great saves and then dub does something silly. Not all goalies do this. All goalies probably have done this at some point in their career but duby lets in some REALLY weak goals and then saves amazing ones. Its the consistency that has me worried. That is why I like habby. His experience. He seems more poised in net and during a shoot out I feel positive we are going to win.

People watch the highlights, see a couple weak goals and assume those were the only shots he faced.
- abware

Whoa, the highlights aren't the entire game? How do you find these other shots you speak of?

We must travel back in time and acquire Bishop before he was traded to Tampa. We must trade anything for him.
- laughs2907

We must travel back in time before anahiem signed fasth for nothing and beat them to it.

BIG improvements? That's debate worthy,I think.Elias and Weiss maybe. The rest are about the same, or in the case of Antropov, Prospal and Zubrus, a downgrade. Are you worried about Horcoff's salary here? I don't see the 3C position as a real area of concern on this team.Not to mention, is there anything that hints Elias won't resign with NJ? Like I said earlier. Horc must be bought out prior to July 1st. Unless we have a garauntee that his spot is covered, I say keep him. He helps more than he hurts and lets see if Lander makes any progress this year. The same buy out option is available for Horc in June 2014 if we haven't used them both up by then. I say play it safe.
- Jeropotato

I liked Cevenka as an improvement as well. But yeah, it is all about the cap.

Its not the numbers. They make great saves and then dub does something silly. Not all goalies do this. All goalies probably have done this at some point in their career but duby lets in some REALLY weak goals and then saves amazing ones. Its the consistency that has me worried. That is why I like habby. His experience. He seems more poised in net and during a shoot out I feel positive we are going to win.
- bsteinley

I think the thing you are missing is you do not watch other teams games nearly as much as you watch the Oilers, and you have no reason to watch other goalies as closely and be as critical of them. Other goalies make gaffes probably as much as Dubnyk and let in weak goals as well.

We must travel back in time before anahiem signed fasth for nothing and beat them to it.
- bsteinley

This is probably the one thing Clouts had a hard on for that seems to have worked.
He was all over signing Fasth before Anaheim.

Its not the numbers. They make great saves and then dub does something silly. Not all goalies do this. All goalies probably have done this at some point in their career but duby lets in some REALLY weak goals and then saves amazing ones. Its the consistency that has me worried. That is why I like habby. His experience. He seems more poised in net and during a shoot out I feel positive we are going to win.
- bsteinley

This is a contract year for Khabibulin... If you want an example of inconsistency, take a look at Khabibulin's game by game stats for 2010-11 and 2011-12.

Dubnyk gets no respect. He plays for what many consider to be one of the weakest d groups in the league, he puts up great numbers (11th in the NHL in SV%) and no respect... He's the Rodney Dangerfield of the NHL.

I think the thing you are missing is you do not watch other teams games nearly as much as you watch the Oilers, and you have no reason to watch other goalies as closely and be as critical of them. Other goalies make gaffes probably as much as Dubnyk and let in weak goals as well.
- abware

You're mutha (frank)ing right they do.

this

streit was fantastic with montreal a few years ago. but this is mostly what he was.

im not dissing streit, he was and still is a good player and would be in our top 4 without a doubt.
but 5v5 is what we really need. ill take dudes word for it as i dont watch too much nyi either. but from what i have seen, im a little unsure if he is in fact that guy.

id take him, but id explore some other avenues first
- hugefemale dog77

Its not about what he does so much during the play. He is great with the puck and he is used for the PP and PK of course. It is more about his positional play that I like him for. His ability to to keep the puck in, to cover both points, to not give up odd man rushes, to not cough up the puck and to be smart with his breakout passes. Its the things you don't notice that is what makes him great.

Sure he will put the puck in the net on the PP and they will probably play him with Shultz and he Can PK with Smid. However he is a strong two way player and most of what he does, is on the fringes of the camera as he takes his guy and outlet passes. Watch one of his games, he plays a terrific positional game. Similar to Lidstrom in the way that although lidstrom got on in years, he was still effective because he knew where to be as a dman. Its also a good trait to have with young guys like Petry and Schultz on our team. Plus I hear he is a really nice guy and a good friend of Kruegers.

We can sign him before the July. He wants to stay. He won't want to make more than his line. They are not greedy. If Schultz wanted money he would be in NYR right now. Also we kind of started the offer sheet thing when we screwed Buffalo, although Vanek did turn out to be good where ROR we kind of expected was a wash.
- bsteinley

We didn't start the whole "offer sheet thing". People have been using them for a long time.

I read it wrong too. However trading gags for picks might be the way to get a player now. Lots of teams against the cap that would like a first round pick and could part with a player for the right price. Two trades might get us the player rather than a direct top 6 for top 6. Those are a lot less often. Columbus for example has 3 first round picks. Numerous teams are at the cap and looking to shake things up. Boston, Philly, Van, Mon, Chi, Tampa, Pens, SJ, LA... They might pay a bunch for a first round and a prospect. Also they have dmen they can part with and we could think about boyes or horton replacing hemsky.

DUB for the Vezina

(frank) Streit. Rumor has it he wants 3 years @ 5.5 per. With the lack of quality d men in the league someone will give it to him. I just hope its not us.

So Flames 4 Oilers 2 Final score tonight.

I think the thing you are missing is you do not watch other teams games nearly as much as you watch the Oilers, and you have no reason to watch other goalies as closely and be as critical of them. Other goalies make gaffes probably as much as Dubnyk and let in weak goals as well.
- abware

Agreed, I have center Ice and when the Oil don't play I do try to keep the games on in the back ground but I mostly just follow Van and Edm. Most I pvr and watch while doing work, so your are right. As much as I try to watch ALL the games I only half watch most of them. A lot of my facts come from other bloggers and websites I read in the morning before starting my day. I only write Van and Edm right now. I do the odd NHL article and Sens article but that is about it.

I do know other goalies let in weak goals but I think we can both agree if salary was not an issue and we could just pick a goalie, he would not be in our top 15 choices.

(frank) Streit. Rumor has it he wants 3 years @ 5.5 per. With the lack of quality d men in the league someone will give it to him. I just hope its not us.
- Ihatebrianburke

I like Streit but for that type of money no gracias,Oilers are better with Fedun

I read it wrong too. However trading gags for picks might be the way to get a player now. Lots of teams against the cap that would like a first round pick and could part with a player for the right price. Two trades might get us the player rather than a direct top 6 for top 6. Those are a lot less often. Columbus for example has 3 first round picks. Numerous teams are at the cap and looking to shake things up. Boston, Philly, Van, Mon, Chi, Tampa, Pens, SJ, LA... They might pay a bunch for a first round and a prospect. Also they have dmen they can part with and we could think about boyes or horton replacing hemsky.
- bsteinley

I think trading Gagner would be one of the dumbest moves the Oil could make right now. Why spend years developing a guy who loves to play here only to trade him when he starts to reach his potential? and for more draft picks to be traded to try and fill the hole trading Gagner leaves?

We didn't start the whole "offer sheet thing". People have been using them for a long time.
- Ihatebrianburke

Yeah but we really cranked it up a notch.

Agreed, I have center Ice and when the Oil don't play I do try to keep the games on in the back ground but I mostly just follow Van and Edm. Most I pvr and watch while doing work, so your are right. As much as I try to watch ALL the games I only half watch most of them. A lot of my facts come from other bloggers and websites I read in the morning before starting my day. I only write Van and Edm right now. I do the odd NHL article and Sens article but that is about it.

I do know other goalies let in weak goals but I think we can both agree if salary was not an issue and we could just pick a goalie, he would not be in our top 15 choices.
- bsteinley

I said it before Dub is not the number 1 Goalie Oilers need He brings the wrong tools to do his job(just watch Dub commercials)