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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:14 PM ET
I prefer to go the luongo route if he becomes available. I doubt la is Dumb enuf to poopcan Quick a year removed from a cup. Bernier is an unproven. I'd rather get a proven vet like luongo. Can be inconsistent like bryzgalov but I think we can all agree his resume and ability are an upgrade. We have stolarz in the system and maybe just maybe Mason really is a diamond in the rough.
- JoeRussomanno

Lu after a buyout or bernier who is an RFA who they may not want to pay and then trade. that's 2 there. i like the 2 young guys w/ exp myself. i think stolarz could be at least 3-4 yrs away. that's an eternity in this org.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
Right now I don't think I would and I like both players a fair amount.
- ob18



Its funny, I have seen Nurse ranked as low as 5 and as high as 19 on various rankings. Monahan beetween 6 and 9. pretty consistent. means nothing. just found it interesting
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
You wouldn't take Nurse ahead of Monahan at #6?
- Feanor


No, I wouldn't. But I WOULD consider the option of trading down a few spots and taking Nurse or Ristolainen.


isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:16 PM ET
I felt the opposite, RE: Richards and Carter.

I felt like Carter was redundant, but Richards, to me, was going to be a perennial Selke nominee.

- johndewar

well, if we don't trade him, couts could be the selke guy.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:17 PM ET
well, if we don't trade him, couts could be the selke guy.
- isaiah520


When Bergeron and Backes retire.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:17 PM ET
Its funny, I have seen Nurse ranked as low as 5 and as high as 19 on various rankings. Monahan beetween 6 and 9. pretty consistent. means nothing. just found it interesting
- nastyflyergirl


Maybe long term Nurse have a better projection. As for now Monahan can play I believe LW and center and really might be NHL ready now.

He put up decent numbers on a 67's team that has the worst record in the OHL and is going through a rebuild of sorts in juniors. So I think that had a little something to do with his stock falling a bit.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:18 PM ET
No, I wouldn't. But I WOULD consider the option of trading down a few spots and taking Nurse or Ristolainen.
- bmeltzer


Not sure what teams view Monahan as in terms of positions but he can bring a good all around game to a team.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
Its funny, I have seen Nurse ranked as low as 5 and as high as 19 on various rankings. Monahan beetween 6 and 9. pretty consistent. means nothing. just found it interesting
- nastyflyergirl


In starting to do more serious draft research -- talking to scout contacts and people who have watched some these players every game -- I've been getting mixed reviews on Nurse. Everyone loves his athleticism and aggressiveness but some have questions over both his hockey sense and his offensive upside. Others think he could end up being nearly as good as Jones, with only a little less offense.

That shouldn't deter the Flyers. But Monahan would be a very safe pick with definite top-six forward upside within a few years. There's not much NOT to like about him.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
Not sure what teams view Monahan as in terms of positions but he can bring a good all around game to a team.
- ob18


Most think he'll play center in the NHL.

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:22 PM ET
Most think he'll play center in the NHL.
- bmeltzer


I'd think that might be the best position for him.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:23 PM ET
In starting to do more serious draft research -- talking to scout contacts and people who have watched some these players every game -- I've been getting mixed reviews on Nurse. Everyone loves his athleticism and aggressiveness but some have questions over both his hockey sense and his offensive upside. Others think he could end up being nearly as good as Jones, with only a little less offense.

That shouldn't deter the Flyers. But Monahan would be a very safe pick with definite top-six forward upside within a few years. There's not much NOT to like about him.

- bmeltzer


I'm doing the same with at least watching junior games though mainly OHL but I'll ask those who at least cover each league with any questions to get some perspective on players.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:24 PM ET
In starting to do more serious draft research -- talking to scout contacts and people who have watched some these players every game -- I've been getting mixed reviews on Nurse. Everyone loves his athleticism and aggressiveness but some have questions over both his hockey sense and his offensive upside. Others think he could end up being nearly as good as Jones, with only a little less offense.

That shouldn't deter the Flyers. But Monahan would be a very safe pick with definite top-six forward upside within a few years. There's not much NOT to like about him.

- bmeltzer


Everything I've read about Ristolainen has me loving him. what is your top 10?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
Not sure what teams view Monahan as in terms of positions but he can bring a good all around game to a team.
- ob18

Honestly.. I think Barkov is gonna be a total stud
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
I would be happy with Ristolainen if the Flyers end up around 9 or 10. Him and Kimmo would be a very interesting defense pair.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
Honestly.. I think Barkov is gonna be a total stud
- jak521


Skating needs to improve but he offers a lot to like with what he did in Finland. A shame his season ended in round 1 with a shoulder injury I believe.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
Everything I've read about Ristolainen has me loving him. what is your top 10?
- nastyflyergirl


Some of us had fun with this last night.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 12 @ 2:28 PM ET
Lu after a buyout or bernier who is an RFA who they may not want to pay and then trade. that's 2 there. i like the 2 young guys w/ exp myself. i think stolarz could be at least 3-4 yrs away. that's an eternity in this org.
- isaiah520

I have no objection really other than I feel the criticisms to follow these players will be copy and pasted from past discussion about bryzgalov likewise the defenses.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
Everything I've read about Ristolainen has me loving him. what is your top 10?
- nastyflyergirl

I know you didnt ask me, but Id go..

1-Jones
2-MacKinnon
3-Drouin
4-Barkov
5-Nichuskin
6-Lindholm
7-Monahan
8-Nurse
9-Ristolainen
10-Adam Erne/ Max Domi
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Apr 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
Honestly.. I think Barkov is gonna be a total stud
- jak521


I keep hearing that what is it that you like about him?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
Skating needs to improve but he offers a lot to like with what he did in Finland. A shame his season ended in round 1 with a shoulder injury I believe.
- ob18

I knew he got hurt, but I dont know what it was or the extent.

I remember how dominant he was in the U-20 tourney.. thought the kid was at least 19...
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
I know you didnt ask me, but Id go..

1-Jones
2-MacKinnon
3-Drouin
4-Barkov
5-Nichuskin
6-Lindholm
7-Monahan
8-Nurse
9-Ristolainen
10-Adam Erne/ Max Domi

- jak521

dude, not sure if you backread at all, but Drouin skated with his head down
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
Their cap hits will become significantly less of a burden as the cap goes up (which it will after next season). Something to consider.
- BulliesPhan87

at that juncture, i don't think that was the big consideration. more about the NTCs and concerns about how comfortable those two were. as usual, the org enabled their share of this.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:33 PM ET
dude, not sure if you backread at all, but Drouin skated with his head down
- Crimsoninja


i've seen one clip of him play. he's off my board entirely.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:34 PM ET
i've seen one clip of him play. he's off my board entirely.
- bradleyc4

i'd take a flier on him in the 2nd rd
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 2:34 PM ET
i've seen one clip of him play. he's off my board entirely.
- bradleyc4


Some teams might but in draft rankings from the places that put them out he's not going to drop too far.
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