The sense comes in the Flyers being able to gain some salary cap space (if they have a player that the believe is no longer worth the money to them), and the Flames gaining another top 10 pick. It's not like the Flyers would be sending one of their top guys Calgary's way.

Regardless of trades or anything, the Flyers are going to have to use their buyouts to deal with their cap issues. With that the option of the flames eating say half of Cammalleri's salary helps out.

If they bought out Briere (6.5 million) and Pronger who may not play again (5 million) and took on Cammalleri at say 4 million then they have gained 7.5 million in cap space right there. Cammalleri replaces the top 6 forward that they would lose in Briere, and Pronger wasn't going to play anyways and was just taking up Cap space.

They don't even have to buy out Pronger and can just put him on LTIR and he no longer counts against the cap anyways.
- dal_johnson

Even if you buy out a player you still have to pay out the rest of their salary... it just wont count against the cap this time but the owners still have to pay the player real money... Still doesn't make sense for calgary to give up a guy who is a current scorer in the league and still pretty young, for a guy who wont be in the league for 1-3 years? and wont be scoring regularly for 3-4?

Frenchie likes this guy. As do I. Sounds like his offense is underrated.

There sure is some size in this draft.
- Lahey

This guy is too hit or miss for me....could be the next Chara...could just be some big goof that can't keep up in the NHL. No thanks!

This guy is too hit or miss for me....could be the next Chara...could just be some big goof that can't keep up in the NHL. No thanks!
- The-O-G

He plays for the Knights, for the same team and coach that has seen guys like Tavares, Nash, Perry and Patrick Kane. The coach loves him and has compared him to a smaller version of Larry Robinson. He's big, he hits he's a fluent skater and he can shoot. What's not to like?

The Philadelphia flyers will take someone with the Oilers 13th pick, in a move they'll make to shed cap e4.
- Morris

Bryzgalov?

Yeah but as soon as you need to take a player back the other way, especially one with enough salary to take on Cammy's contract you would need to add more to the trade. I know it is an example but it doesn't make much sense for either team.
- Talking_hockey1

It was said in another thread but I'll repeat it. I don't think PHI can afford to trade away a 1st without getting one in return. The suggestion was PIT 1st + Butler (RFA at $1.25mil) for Timmonen ($6mil @ 1yr remaining) + PHI 1st (top 10?) Works all around.

He plays for the Knights, for the same team and coach that has seen guys like Tavares, Nash, Perry and Patrick Kane. The coach loves him and has compared him to a smaller version of Larry Robinson. He's big, he hits he's a fluent skater and he can shoot. What's not to like?
- Talking_hockey1

Haha, a smaller version.... at 6'5". To funny

Bryzgalov?
- TandA4Flames

I think Tambs will panic about toughness and grab Zac Rinaldo at a premium

Haha, a smaller version.... at 6'5". To funny
- TandA4Flames

Yeah i didn't get that either... Just restating the quote haha

What about this...i know it's a stretch.

Calgary picks 3rd. Col takes Jones, Florida takes Drouin leaving Mackinnon for us. Calgary trades the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 4th, 5th or 6th pick.

Would the 4th, 5th or 6th team be interested?

Am I completely nuts?

Even if you buy out a player you still have to pay out the rest of their salary... it just wont count against the cap this time but the owners still have to pay the player real money... Still doesn't make sense for calgary to give up a guy who is a current scorer in the league and still pretty young, for a guy who wont be in the league for 1-3 years? and wont be scoring regularly for 3-4?
- Talking_hockey1

But that is just what the idea of the re-build is.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I think Cammalleri is washed up. I still think he can be a great contributor. But if it means we can get a true number 1 Center by trading up in the draft, then the idea of a re-build is to build for that future 1-3 years from now.

And yes Philadelphia would still have to pay that salary on a buy out. But they are going to have to buy out players anyways otherwise they will never meet the cap. Trades don't matter for that fact to have to happen.

What about this...i know it's a stretch.

Calgary picks 3rd. Col takes Jones, Florida takes Drouin leaving Mackinnon for us. Calgary trades the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 4th, 5th or 6th pick.

Would the 4th, 5th or 6th team be interested?

Am I completely nuts?
- KABLOOEY

Adding a prospect like Gaudreau (best prospect behind Sven) would defeat the purpose. Maybe add like a Granlund or something.

Adding a prospect like Gaudreau (best prospect behind Sven) would defeat the purpose. Maybe add like a Granlund or something.
- TandA4Flames

Yeah I agree, it was more just an example of a prospect.

But that is just what the idea of the re-build is.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I think Cammalleri is washed up. I still think he can be a great contributor. But if it means we can get a true number 1 Center by trading up in the draft, then the idea of a re-build is to build for that future 1-3 years from now.

And yes Philadelphia would still have to pay that salary on a buy out. But they are going to have to buy out players anyways otherwise they will never meet the cap. Trades don't matter for that fact to have to happen.
- dal_johnson

No that's what an Edmonton rebuild is, get rid of everybody except the ones nobody wants and suck for the next 5 years. You keep Cammy and you build off him, like what Ottawa did with Spezza and Alfie (not saying Cammy is the same). We have a top pick, and two other first rounders, you talk about doing a rebuild yet you are satisfied with taking on whatever old player philly will have to get rid of to be under cap? Nor am i exactly content with taking on the salary of a player not on our team.

What about this...i know it's a stretch.

Calgary picks 3rd. Col takes Jones, Florida takes Drouin leaving Mackinnon for us. Calgary trades the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 4th, 5th or 6th pick.

Would the 4th, 5th or 6th team be interested?

Am I completely nuts?
- KABLOOEY

YES YOU ARE

Calgary is going to pick 2nd, draft MacKinnon then trade the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 3rd pick. To draft Drouin......

Is it just me or can we all not wait until the season is over?

YES YOU ARE

Calgary is going to pick 2nd, draft MacKinnon then trade the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 3rd pick. To draft Drouin......


- The-O-G

Nice!

What about this...i know it's a stretch.

Calgary picks 3rd. Col takes Jones, Florida takes Drouin leaving Mackinnon for us. Calgary trades the Blues pick, the Pens pick and (insert prospect maybe Gaudreau) to whichever team has the 4th, 5th or 6th pick.

Would the 4th, 5th or 6th team be interested?

Am I completely nuts?
- KABLOOEY

Yup.

Edmonton wins the Lotto.

Edm-Jones
Colorado- cries their eyes out, then picks Drouin
Florida-Nichushkin
Calgary-Trades the pick for ROR. Avs take Mackinnon...

I kid, I kid....

Yup.

Edmonton wins the Lotto.

Edm-Jones
Colorado- cries their eyes out, then picks Drouin
Florida-Nichushkin
Calgary-Trades the pick for ROR. Avs take Mackinnon...

I kid, I kid....
- Iggysbff

To think about the fact that ROR could have cost the flames two of Drouin, Jones and MacKinnon! ...then again, maybe he would have saved their season

To think about the fact that ROR could have cost the flames two of Drouin, Jones and MacKinnon! ...then again, maybe he would have saved their season
- Morris

With all the talk of Janko from last year....
how likely do the Flames use their first pick to draft "safe"...?
whatever that means.

If they take even a bit of a risk...are flames fans ok with that? Obviously with all the discussion, lets say Flames get the third overall pick.

Who should they NOT take...?

With all the talk of Janko from last year....
how likely do the Flames use their first pick to draft "safe"...?
whatever that means.

If they take even a bit of a risk...are flames fans ok with that? Obviously with all the discussion, lets say Flames get the third overall pick.

Who should they NOT take...?
- j.henderson

Not take??? I would say a college player.

Not take??? I would say a college player.
- whipper334

Whipper, your back!!

Missed you during the tumultuous trade time (stupid F%^?#€?|}€|€,#£~\[+ Flames and f£€^# w%%\_+¥=#}<|] sarcastic trolls!)

I'm guessing you we're a bad boy.

No that's what an Edmonton rebuild is, get rid of everybody except the ones nobody wants and suck for the next 5 years. You keep Cammy and you build off him, like what Ottawa did with Spezza and Alfie (not saying Cammy is the same). We have a top pick, and two other first rounders, you talk about doing a rebuild yet you are satisfied with taking on whatever old player philly will have to get rid of to be under cap? Nor am i exactly content with taking on the salary of a player not on our team.
- Talking_hockey1

I disagree, its not the same as Edmonton's for a few reasons.

Edmonton has only been able to add 1 top rookie a year. The exception was Hall and Eberle in the same year, but this would play a similarity to Baertschi's role next season. They haven't been in a position to add two players in to top 6 picks (which is what a trade like this would suggest). Edmonton didn't have the players to trade to gain that second very high pick. This would greatly fast forward the rebuild as opposed to what Edmonton has done. There is also free agency that can be used to bring in higher talent. Edmonton has avoided doing this as part of their re-build.

The idea of taking on an old player from another team was an option. A price to pay to get a Franchise Defenceman in Jones (as this all has worked from the Flames having the first overall pick) and a Franchise Center in MacKinnon or Barkov (which the trade would be to obtain.) I also followed up the suggestion of taking an "old player" by saying that with the Flyers that probably wouldn't need to happen as they are going to have to use their buy-outs regardless of any trade to reach the cap. The idea of keeping Salary from a player not on the team, well it is for only 1 season, and a youth movement most times comes with lower total salaries meaning that for one season the Flames should have the cap space to do this.

Ottawa didn't build off of Spezza and Alfredsson. Alfredsson is the player they keep bringing back out of respect to him. He was the Flames Iginla. The only difference if Iginla chose to leave. Ottawa has built around Spezza, Karlsson (an amazing rookie that came in), and very very good goaltending.

But I do agree. Keeping a player like Cammilleri for his leadership to help build around would be good. He was only an example as I thought he would draw the most interst in a trade. Maybe a Glencross or Hudler would work too. Also with Cammalleri he only has one year left on his contract. And if the Flames are still in whatever style of a re-build you want to call it, they probably aren't going to be challenging for the Cup next year or the year after. So Cammy is probably going to be going elsewhere where he can be on a contender either at next year's deadline or at free agency. It is trying to maximize the return on him now. (which is one of the bigger complaints that most have about not trading Iginla earlier).

I in no way suggest doing this just for the sake of getting a higher pick and picking anybody. This is completely with the interest of being able to draft specific players. Not to gain one franchise player and then a very good player, but to take that shot at two franchise players. To get both Jones and MacKinnon / Barkov.

No that's what an Edmonton rebuild is, get rid of everybody except the ones nobody wants and suck for the next 5 years. You keep Cammy and you build off him, like what Ottawa did with Spezza and Alfie (not saying Cammy is the same). We have a top pick, and two other first rounders, you talk about doing a rebuild yet you are satisfied with taking on whatever old player philly will have to get rid of to be under cap? Nor am i exactly content with taking on the salary of a player not on our team.
- Talking_hockey1

Cammi is NOT a guy you rebuild around....that's just as bad as building around Hemsky and Horcoff...which sucks.

Whipper, your back!!

Missed you during the tumultuous trade time (stupid F%^?#€?|}€|€,#£~\
- TandA4Flames[+ Flames and f£€^# w%%\_+¥=#}<|] sarcastic trolls!)

I'm guessing you we're a bad boy.

lets just say I won't be visiting the Hawk thread anytime soon.