7 points in 31 games makes him high level??? Thats 19 points over an 82 game season. Correct me if I am wrong but Ruff coached him his rookie season. Put him in every position to succed. Myers was so sheltered his rookie season and teams know his weaknesses now. No coach can hide that especially when it comes to being a franchise defensemen that he is supposed to be contract and all
- Stripes77

1 point and a-7 in 15 or so under Ruff, 7 points and a +5 in 15 or so under Rolston. It's not a coincidence that he's has been much better. He had been completely lost under Ruff. He's finally getting more PP time, finally paired with a steady partner in Ehrhoff. Ruff has messed with him since his rookie year, he was expected to be a shutdown guy at 20 years old. And has also had spurts where he did dominate in that role too.

He's a -4 overall.

+5 and -7 don't work out right.
- dadeadhead

Since Rolston has been coach he is a +5. He was a -9 when Ruff got fired not -7 my mistake

Since Rolston has been coach he is a +5. He was a -9 when Ruff got fired not -7 my mistake
- sbroads24

Just saying.

Wasn't sure which way the numbers were messed up.

Since Rolston has been coach he is a +5. He was a -9 when Ruff got fired not -7 my mistake
- sbroads24

Is it possible he is finally getting back into game shape ? He did claim do be out of shape when the season started .

Is it possible he is finally getting back into game shape ? He did claim do be out of shape when the season started .
- cabin

- dadeadhead

Yep . Thats what I saw

8 points in 37 games works out to 17.7 pts over an 82 game season.
- dadeadhead

Even better

Yep . Thats what I saw
- cabin

I think this one is going to get some play.


http://youtu.be/vhq86qhlcjw


1:50 mark

Even better
- Stripes77

Take his numbers under Rolston and average that out for a full season. he would be a +30 with 12 goals and 30 assists. I'm not blaming this all on Ruff, but it had a lot to do with it IMO. This is why firing coaches is a good thing

Take his numbers under Rolston and average that out for a full season. he would be a +30 with 12 goals and 30 assists. I'm not blaming this all on Ruff, but it had a lot to do with it IMO. This is why firing coaches is a good thing
- sbroads24

Lets be honest here.


65% on Myers not being in shape, 35% on Ruff.

Lets be honest here.


65% on Myers not being in shape, 35% on Ruff.
- dadeadhead

40% Myers being out of shape, 10% he got injured overseas, 15% him being immature, 35% coaching

40% Myers being out of shape, 10% he got injured overseas, 15% him being immature, 35% coaching
- sbroads24

That all falls on Myers IMO.

He went overseas out of shape in the 1st place.

In his case . he didn't negotiate that contract . It was a gift. Merry Christmas Thomas. He has done pretty good by it compaired to some of the other high paid players in the league.
- cabin

Incorrect. Thomas Vanek is every bit as responsible for that contract. I dont recall Miller, Myers, Stafford, or any other Sabre refuse to sign a contract extension, go beyond the free agency period, hold out, and then sign a contract that was offered by another team for a high dollar amount.

He forced the Sabres hand on that one for the money he wanted.

Incorrect. Thomas Vanek is every bit as responsible for that contract. I dont recall Miller, Myers, Stafford, or any other Sabre refuse to sign a contract extension, go beyond the free agency period, hold out, and then sign a contract that was offered by another team for a high dollar amount.

He forced the Sabres hand on that one for the money he wanted.
- theblueandgold

I don't understand the Vanek didn't negotiate excuse

Incorrect. Thomas Vanek is every bit as responsible for that contract. I dont recall Miller, Myers, Stafford, or any other Sabre refuse to sign a contract extension, go beyond the free agency period, hold out, and then sign a contract that was offered by another team for a high dollar amount.

He forced the Sabres hand on that one for the money he wanted.
- theblueandgold

25% on Vanek, 45% on his agent, 30% on Darcy and Quinn for saying they will match any offersheet. That statement added $10 mil in signing bonuses into the 1st 2 yrs of his deal.

Just an IMO.

Incorrect. Thomas Vanek is every bit as responsible for that contract. I dont recall Miller, Myers, Stafford, or any other Sabre refuse to sign a contract extension, go beyond the free agency period, hold out, and then sign a contract that was offered by another team for a high dollar amount.

He forced the Sabres hand on that one for the money he wanted.
- theblueandgold

How was I incorrect ? I said "In his case . he didn't negotiate that contract . It was a gift. Merry Christmas Thomas.

That all falls on Myers IMO.

He went overseas out of shape in the 1st place.
- dadeadhead

Him getting injured isn't his fault. It's an ankle injury, those things linger. Like J.Quick's back injury

I don't understand the Vanek didn't negotiate excuse
- sbroads24

If I remember the story right, they called his agent in January of 07 and were told no thanks.

I don't understand the Vanek didn't negotiate excuse
- sbroads24

Larger amount of Vanek apologists than Miller apologists. Same people that crucify Miller and give Vanek all the credit in the world.

Miller is worth his contract in a larger amount of games every season than Vanek is.

Him getting injured isn't his fault. It's an ankle injury, those things linger. Like J.Quick's back injury
- sbroads24

Him getting injured was more than likely a direct result of him being out of shape in the 1st place.

He did nothing in the offseason to stay in shape.

Take his numbers under Rolston and average that out for a full season. he would be a +30 with 12 goals and 30 assists. I'm not blaming this all on Ruff, but it had a lot to do with it IMO. This is why firing coaches is a good thing
- sbroads24

Wrong Lindy got fired Feb 20th Rolston has coached 22 games 1 goal 4 assists 5 pts equals 18.6 pts per 82 game season. Those are the stats coming from fox sports

Him getting injured was more than likely a direct result of him being out of shape in the 1st place.

He did nothing in the offseason to stay in shape.
- dadeadhead

Ankle injuries dont really have anything to do with being out of shape...

Ankle injuries dont really have anything to do with being out of shape...
- theblueandgold

Not being in game shape caused his injury IMO.


"Myers twisted his ankle while attempting to defend an opponent driving to the net during a game in early December."

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...ankle-injury-fully-healed

Wrong Lindy got fired Feb 20th Rolston has coached 22 games 1 goal 4 assists 5 pts equals 18.6 pts per 82 game season. Those are the stats coming from fox sports
- Stripes77

6 points divided by 22 games = .273 points per game x 82 games = 22.36 ~ 22 points in an 82 game season.

Wrong Lindy got fired Feb 20th Rolston has coached 22 games 1 goal 4 assists 5 pts equals 18.6 pts per 82 game season. Those are the stats coming from fox sports
- Stripes77

Either way, (thanks for the correction I thought he was only here 17 games) Myers has been a + player under Rolston and has put up more points. Ruff was fired because this team was under achieving