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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 1:10 PM ET
Gotta think that Toronto wishes they kept Rask instead of trading him for Andrew Raycroft. Toronto destroys young goalies worse than the Flyers do.
- TrentKlatt

We do not destroy young goalies.


We destroy young players.


Get it right.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Apr 5 @ 1:13 PM ET
Intentional or not, it's still a bad goal. "incidental contact". If the goalie is not able to make a play because of the actions of a player on another team, intentional or not- the goal should be called back.
- Feeling Glucky?


Not all incidental contact results in a disallowed goal...

"Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Reimer was outside the crease. Hall was just trying to make his way to the front of the net. Hall did not run into Reimer, which would have been less than reasonable effort. The ref, deemed Reimers stick handle got tied up with Halls stick was incidental...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 5 @ 1:13 PM ET
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 5 @ 1:14 PM ET
We do not destroy young goalies.


We destroy young players.


Get it right.

- Feeling Glucky?


HAHAHAHA. Nice. We are close behind you then. Very sink or swim here.
Only the sharks survive. Those delicate flowers who require a few years of development to become beasts do NOT compare to those who come out of the draft ready to eat their own young... We let other teams wipe butts and kiss boo-boos. We cause them!

Or something... I assume something of this nature is up on the wall in the Phantoms locker room. And if it's not it should be.

EDIT: Maybe just included at the bottom of every ELC?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:14 PM ET
You wouldn't trade coburn straight up for shatty right?
- Just5



Incorrect. I absolutely would. But I feel comfortable saying that St. Louis would not.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
Incorrect. I absolutely would. But I feel comfortable saying that St. Louis would not.
- MJL

% on briere buyout likelihood please
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
No probably not, they like him. Gotta love the cafeteria logic sometimes, right skip?
- JoeRussomanno

It amazes me how folks latch onto a guy with seething hatred so that nothing he does can change their opinion - even as he piles up some wins.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
She assumes you can read? Huh, we don't.
And read the dang book.... I haven't but at the least it will give you something entertaining to embarass her with and she gets to tell all her friends that you did page 72 to her....

- FlyersGrace


ah.......what happens on page 72?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
HAHAHAHA. Nice. We are close behind you then. Very sink or swim here.
Only the sharks survive. Those delicate flowers who require a few years of development to become beasts do NOT compare to those who come out of the draft ready to eat their own young... We let other teams wipe butts and kiss boo-boos. We cause them!

Or something... I assume something of this nature is up on the wall in the Phantoms locker room. And if it's not it should be.

- FlyersGrace


Yeah, development has not been a real strong suit, unless you count development at the NHL level.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
I assume anybody who has an issue with goalie outbursts hated Hextall.
- BulliesPhan87

Well... they didn't start hating on him until spring 1995 then it fomented into a torrent of hate by 1997.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
Timonen a game time decision against the Jets, because of course he is.
- Jsaquella

How many games in a row have we lost someone to injury. This is starting to get a little crazy even for the flyers.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:17 PM ET

- Jsaquella

FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Apr 5 @ 1:17 PM ET
How many games in a row have we lost someone to injury. This is starting to get a little crazy even for the flyers.
- SMS4016


It's a sacrifical lamb to continue the winning streak....
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
% on briere buyout likelihood please
- Crimsoninja


93.14159265359
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
% on briere buyout likelihood please
- Crimsoninja

91.5%
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
How many games in a row have we lost someone to injury. This is starting to get a little crazy even for the flyers.
- SMS4016

2,127 Amazing run.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
Not all incidental contact results in a disallowed goal...

"Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Reimer was outside the crease. Hall was just trying to make his way to the front of the net. Hall did not run into Reimer, which would have been less than reasonable effort. The ref, deemed Reimers stick handle got tied up with Halls stick was incidental...

- leon neon

You'd have a great argument if Riemer wasn't firmly in the crease.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Apr 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
One thing that has really impressed me is how calm is he with the puck in the offensize zone. Especially on the PP.

Great to see.

- flyer_nutter


Yea I've been saying to put him on PP since 2-3 games into the season. Nice to see him finally get there. I think Schenn has a rocket of a shot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
% on briere buyout likelihood please
- Crimsoninja



97.86666666%
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
HAHAHAHA. Nice. We are close behind you then. Very sink or swim here.
Only the sharks survive. Those delicate flowers who require a few years of development to become beasts do NOT compare to those who come out of the draft ready to eat their own young... We let other teams wipe butts and kiss boo-boos. We cause them!

Or something... I assume something of this nature is up on the wall in the Phantoms locker room. And if it's not it should be.

EDIT: Maybe just included at the bottom of every ELC?

- FlyersGrace

Leafs are getting better. Theres actually a coach down with the marlies that develops players. And then the Leafs actually leave them there to learn what it takes, before destroying their confidence. It's (frank)ing bizarre.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
Leafs are getting better. Theres actually a coach down with the marlies that develops players. And then the Leafs actually leave them there to learn what it takes, before destroying their confidence. It's (frank)ing bizarre.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ron Wilson was such a mess in retrospect

sucks that Burke's loyalty to him probly cost him his job
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 5 @ 1:23 PM ET

- Jsaquella

Too many great ones on there love the yakopov line
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Apr 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
Intentional or not, it's still a bad goal. "incidental contact". If the goalie is not able to make a play because of the actions of a player on another team, intentional or not- the goal should be called back.
- Feeling Glucky?


I agree. Pretty clear it was intentional. He closed his hand on the goalie's stick. It was a penalty and it was missed by the refs. Flyers caught a break on the missed call, no doubt in my mind.

As others have said, it's about time we did catch a break on a goalie interference call or non-call. Usually we're the team getting screwed. Maybe this was a little good karma for the Flyers, but it was pretty clearly a miss by the refs. Can't fault the Leafs' fans for being upset. We'd be upset if a similar play against Bryz went uncalled.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
You'd have a great argument if Riemer wasn't firmly in the crease.
- Feeling Glucky?

Top of the stick handle wasn't, thus no call.

/HowTheRefsSawIt

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
You'd have a great argument if Riemer wasn't firmly in the crease.
- Feeling Glucky?

The point is that it was Riemers stick that got tangled up with a player outside of the crease...
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