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fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 4 @ 3:35 PM ET


I don't like Crosby either, I think he's a whiny little B-tch who cheap shots (Ask Claude Giroux), but he's a helluva talent. He makes 8.75 a year, and that's the number I point to if I'm Bowman when these deals come up...

- SteveRain


Yeah and Matt Cooke taught him the sneaky elbow...

There is a reason though Malkin won the Conn Smyth when they won the Cup and Toews won the "best forward" when Canada won gold. I am not sure what exactly it is but it is something and regardless of the points that something counts.
droe411
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL
Joined: 09.30.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:35 PM ET
Where #13's value comes in is he adds the element of security. The other team knows hes out there and that he is a little unhinged. Bollig can do that, but Carcillo's history speaks for itself. Always good that have the half crazy guy out there especially playing the Blues tonight.
- z1990z



I think they have the crazy guy on the ice tonight in Bollig. He smiles while getting punched in the face
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Apr 4 @ 3:35 PM ET
The Hawks have had quite the success against St. Louis over the last season and a half. I believe they are 6-2 in the last eight against St. Lou. Bollig maybe stage fighting Reeves every tilt has something to do with it.
- nickmo2699


I don't know about the staging part (nor do I care to argue it either), but I was thinking the same thing: Bollig vs. Reeves.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Apr 4 @ 3:36 PM ET
>JJ, seems like some of the recent so-so or poor third periods (soft goals aside) can be traced to poor shift management by the players -- and maybe some missing control behind the bench to curtail it
>Too many times Hawk forwards are trying to squeeze in an extra offensive burst when they should be heading for a change -- turnover -- and then an entire line gets pinned forever in their own zone or until a goal is scored against them
>There's an old coaches adage: "Fresh legs play D, tired legs get scored on."
>Hawks need to focus on puck management and shift management the rest of the regular season (and stay healthy) -- Ws and Ls will take care of the themselves

- SnapitUpstairs


great post as usual
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:36 PM ET
Where #13's value comes in is he adds the element of security. The other team knows hes out there and that he is a little unhinged. Bollig can do that, but Carcillo's history speaks for itself. Always good that have the half crazy guy out there especially playing the Blues tonight.
- z1990z



He must maintain DISCLIPLINE though when in the lineup.
droe411
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL
Joined: 09.30.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:37 PM ET
Yeah and Matt Cooke taught him the sneaky elbow...

There is a reason though Malkin won the Conn Smyth when they won the Cup and Toews won the "best forward" when Canada won gold. I am not sure what exactly it is but it is something and regardless of the points that something counts.

- fattybeef



+1

I prefer a leader by example. Toews is a beast. Crosby at times can be a bit of a whinny baby.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:38 PM ET
Kind of nitpicking but tough to heavily criticize a D that is second in GAA and 4th in SA/G,

Interesting stat find:
Winning % Leading after two periods

Pittsburgh : 1.00
NYR : 1.00
Columbus : 1.00
Winnipeg : 0.929
Carolina : 0.923
Chicago : 0.909
Phoenix : 0.909
Nashville, Ottawa and Anaheim round out top ten all less than 90%

- fattybeef


Not tough when (albeit without Hossa and Sharp) they have blown 3rd period leads in four of the last 6 games.
droe411
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL
Joined: 09.30.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:39 PM ET
I also think that coach Q's usage of our Dmen will be a big help in the playoffs. A fresh Keith and Seabrook who will step up and play more, against the top competition. Hopefully Leddy can go up to the second pair.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 4 @ 3:43 PM ET
Wiz...please give a similar breakdown on the Flick/Sauve trade as you see it
- philco28

I think you are just talking about Bruins -Hawks like with the Versteeg deal or more?

You know I actaully touched on that yesterday, and I may have to go back and cut and paste parts to save time but....

by mid-march the GMs meet with their entire staffs and go through the organization's AHL pros and juniors. Each guys contract and developmental report card is reviewed, similar to if you worked as say a manager at J C Penny.

They know where they think each guy fits and how much or little they value them.
They know if the minor player is happy in the roles he is asked to play, and they know if that prospect wants a raise or wants out, or is homesick.
The idea is to cut down the surprises....
You know how today I posted that Wild made the trade of youngster Johan Larsson had something to do with the fact they had a similar player in Granlund?

Sometime in minor pro you don't want too many of the same either.
Sometimes you sign guys to play in Rockford not because you think of them as Hawk futures as much as you see how they are good minor pros to help alongside with the development of your prospect you think could be pros...it doesn't help young wingers if the farm has no quick good passers to play alongside them, right?

I loved Flick as a junior player with Mississauga but I always thought he had skating problems, stops and starts, and when at centre, he just seemed to get in trouble with the puck, and was best stationary on the right circle offhanded. He picked up the point totals and looked to be improving as a junior beside the ability to brawl:

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/92543

And we all know of the Rockford melee' with the Canucks’ AHL affiliate Wolves.

Did the kid think he was not getting played enough in different situations?
Was he feeling further disrespected after being sent to the Toledo Walleyes the year before "to get better positionally?"

We will never know.

and we don't know if Maxime sauve wanted a change either, but he did originally sign a three year deal with Bruins as a rookie who was paid 65,000 in the AHL, and the rookie Cap hit of 875,000 if would have made the Bruins roster.

Teams like the Hawks always seem to look to find earlier drafted guys (Sauve was a 2nd rounder in 2008 Kyle Beach draft) who have had difficulties and see it they can kick the tires again and get them back on track.
He actually got chosed 47 overall and ahead of guys I had ranked higher, like Travis Harmonic, Derek Stepan, Jared Staal.
He has always been a bit lean and stood about six foot last time I looked but (looking now) he is listed as a 6 foot one and almost 195.

So has spendt almost two and a half seasons in the Providence AHL farm. He's had several injuries in his time in the AHLincluding ,a hip injury this last season, and a fairly severe concussion from a blindside hit last year 2011-12.
He played one game in the NHL last year for Boston.

He was a really strong junior player in the Q with great vision, hands and in that smaller sized league was able to "control" play handle the wall and cycle, and play really strong on the puck.
When he got to providence the transition to the faster all around play saw him struggle a bit at both ends, but there clearly some skill and toolbox.
He is deceptively quick in shorts spaces and sort of like sahrp has that feel to the open spot and can bury it, and is good in tarffic and when bearing doen on the attack one a defender one on one.

So it look to me his deal was up, and the concussion made the Bruins wary, or maybe the kid got tentative.

The Bruins did include him on their Black Aces (but...hey...Beach was one our call-ups!)
so they must have liked something in him, but one of the sides turned the page.

The best thing a staff can do is find guys like this to help make the farmteam better and maybe along the way, good things happen and Versteeg appears, right?

Will this do for an answer?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 4 @ 3:45 PM ET
Uh did Oshie get traded. That is the type your hinting towards right Wiz?
- nickmo2699


NO....he get injured .....again.
wow...Bolland isn't the only one....


Oshie IR

Believe me, Oshie has come to mind as a future Hawk a whole lot...usually when I am watching him against the hawks!
I don't know if it the North Dakota Toews/teammate thing or what...he can bring it.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:51 PM ET
He must maintain DISCLIPLINE though when in the lineup.
- philco28


Car bomb and Morin with Kruger in the middle was the most consistent, stick to the gameplan line in the last two games. With Hayes being sent down and Bollig not dressed Carbomb plays at a pace that the Hawks play at. He can skate, has a good shot and even has a little finesse too him...and oh yea he understands his role without being told. If Toews or Kane are bullied, Carcillo reacts and he has done that since being brought here. Cant say that about Mayers and Bollig.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:52 PM ET
NO....he get injured .....again.
wow...Bolland isn't the only one....


Oshie IR

Believe me, Oshie has come to mind as a future Hawk a whole lot...usually when I am watching him against the hawks!
I don't know if it the North Dakota Toews/teammate thing or what...he can bring it.

- wiz1901


Whats his current deal? You think he would ever be able to don the indianhead? I cant see St Louis ever letting that happen.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:52 PM ET
He must maintain DISCLIPLINE though when in the lineup.
- philco28



For sure, but the Blues seem to be the hot rivalry. They will take liberties every chance they get. Wouldnt hurt playing both Bollig and Carcillo. Could care less if we lose. I want the body guards out there protecting 19, 88, and 81. Would say 20 but Jesus has got his own protection.. damn it now you guys got me chipping in on that...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 4 @ 3:53 PM ET
Car bomb and Morin with Kruger in the middle was the most consistent, stick to the gameplan line in the last two games. .
- nickmo2699


You know I am glad you saw that too!

They really did play well.

No big offensive plays but solid.

It bodes well in future games, injury recalls and the like.


wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 4 @ 3:55 PM ET
Whats his current deal? You think he would ever be able to don the indianhead? I cant see St Louis ever letting that happen.
- nickmo2699


pipe dream

makes over 4 million per year until 2017.

That's about right for what JJ wants in a power player.

You could always break up the first defensive pair and get more power forwards..
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:58 PM ET
Will this do for an answer?
Wiz1901


Very nicely Wiz...and thanks for taking the time.

I loved Flick from his days in Missy, but i don't feel his skating is a problem.

Loved this goal he scored in the Mem Cup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbH0CNssbE

I ran into him in Toronto after he was a healthy scratch vs the Marlies and he seemed to be confused. For Dent to sit him in front of a large contingent of family and friends STUNK.

He's also got an above average wrist shot and scored a beauty goal this year for Rockford, but soon found himself in/out of the lineup. Hard to get into rhythm when you're playing 12 minutes one night and 3 the next.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
pipe dream

makes over 4 million per year until 2017.

That's about right for what JJ wants in a power player.

You could always break up the first defensive pair and get more power forwards..

- wiz1901


That all rides on the evolution of #8. I look at #8 and #2 as either or. If Leddy can be a top guy then Keith is expendable, however, one of the big things that made the hawks so successful in 2010 is that they had two of the top five skating dmen in the league. Keith and Campbell are lights out skaters and now with Leddy and Keith it is the same thing except Leddy isnt quite in his prime yet.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Apr 4 @ 4:00 PM ET
For sure, but the Blues seem to be the hot rivalry. They will take liberties every chance they get. Wouldnt hurt playing both Bollig and Carcillo. Could care less if we lose. I want the body guards out there protecting 19, 88, and 81. Would say 20 but Jesus has got his own protection.. damn it now you guys got me chipping in on that...
- z1990z


The Blues don't take liberties, they just play a physical game. Sometimes I wonder if fans think that if you have a star that they are immune to being hit.

(Well, Jackman sometimes takes liberties I guess.)
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Apr 4 @ 4:01 PM ET
Car bomb and Morin with Kruger in the middle was the most consistent, stick to the gameplan line in the last two games. With Hayes being sent down and Bollig not dressed Carbomb plays at a pace that the Hawks play at. He can skate, has a good shot and even has a little finesse too him...and oh yea he understands his role without being told. If Toews or Kane are bullied, Carcillo reacts and he has done that since being brought here. Cant say that about Mayers and Bollig.
- nickmo2699


Exactly Nick


But yet the PHUCKING MIND GAMES re: Q vs Car Bomb continue
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Apr 4 @ 4:02 PM ET
For sure, but the Blues seem to be the hot rivalry. They will take liberties every chance they get. Wouldnt hurt playing both Bollig and Carcillo. Could care less if we lose. I want the body guards out there protecting 19, 88, and 81. Would say 20 but Jesus has got his own protection.. damn it now you guys got me chipping in on that...
- z1990z


I'd love that but fear they'd feed off each other and not in a good way, possibly resulting in some bad and untimely penalties.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 4 @ 4:07 PM ET
The Blues don't take liberties, they just play a physical game. Sometimes I wonder if fans think that if you have a star that they are immune to being hit.

(Well, Jackman sometimes takes liberties I guess.)

- carcus



There is an obvious dislike with the Hawks and Blues. Games get edgy quick. Backes likes to phuck with Toews. Fine.. play physical. 100% dislike Jackman. Just tend to notice alot of post whistle bs with the Blues. Just an opinion.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Apr 4 @ 4:08 PM ET
There is an obvious dislike with the Hawks and Blues. Games get edgy quick. Backes likes to phuck with Toews. Fine.. play physical. 100% dislike Jackman. Just tend to notice alot of post whistle bs with the Blues. Just an opinion.
- z1990z


Now there's a dic k head the Hawks should DEAL WITH for a change.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 4 @ 4:09 PM ET
Now there's a dic k head the Hawks should DEAL WITH for a change.
- philco28


Aint kidding....
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 4 @ 4:09 PM ET
Now there's a dic k head the Hawks should DEAL WITH for a change.
- philco28


Either him or Barett Jacka**
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Apr 4 @ 4:11 PM ET
There is an obvious dislike with the Hawks and Blues. Games get edgy quick. Backes likes to phuck with Toews. Fine.. play physical. 100% dislike Jackman. Just tend to notice alot of post whistle bs with the Blues. Just an opinion.
- z1990z


That is fine, I just don't see it. Like I said, the only guy that really takes liberties in my mind is Jackman. That is a big part of his game, walking right up to the edge of the line, and sometimes crossing it. But Backes plays a clean game for the most part.

Post whistle bs is common, and not just a Blues thing. It probably happens more because of the fact that we are rivals.
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