If the conversation went anything like that Gillis should have traded CS yesterday and put an end to this debacle.Its not the player........its the contract.Nothing changes at draft table or summertime.As Bobby loo states "my contract sucks".
- nellie04

That's right. This situation could very could end up haunting the 'Nucks.

Management looks like a bunch of amateurs right now. This Lu situation has been an embarrassment hitting an all time low during the press conferences yesterday.

"We're going all in" - Well not so much.

Enjoy your last few weeks as GM Gillis.

I wonder if the league, the board of governors and the NHL could make an amendment to the CBA? I think it would be fair to allow teams and players to mutually part ways. If Lou seriously wanted out the league has an obligation to support him. Would that be a had thing? Of course it would have to be 100% mutual, with no buy out moneys going to the player.
- Jeropotato

I have to wonder, is this not already possible.

Can't two parties mutually agree to not be bound by a contract any longer?

I have to wonder, is this not already possible.

Can't two parties mutually agree to not be bound by a contract any longer?
- Aetherial

Not in the CBA, I believe. It would only seem logical to allow them to do it, but we both know that GMs would eventually start using it to "cheat" contracts and abuse the system. Just like they circumsized the salary cap and got into this mess to begin with.

Not in the CBA, I believe. It would only seem logical to allow them to do it, but we both know that GMs would eventually start using it to "cheat" contracts and abuse the system. Just like they circumsized the salary cap and got into this mess to begin with.
- systemtool

Perhaps - but that's what the NHLPA is there for.

The only real fit for lou is Edmonton. With all those young guns, lou could shore up their goaltending and give the oil a shot to improve and eventually contend

I have to wonder, is this not already possible.

Can't two parties mutually agree to not be bound by a contract any longer?
- Aetherial

I think only in the NFL you can do that, same as re negotiating a signed contract.

That's right. This situation could very could end up haunting the 'Nucks.

Management looks like a bunch of amateurs right now. This Lu situation has been an embarrassment hitting an all time low during the press conferences yesterday.

"We're going all in" - Well not so much.

Enjoy your last few weeks as GM Gillis.
- Canuckleafer

I think Gillis did not realize that the REAL objective was to get rid of the contract and the distraction, at pretty much any price.

It is not a commentary on Luongo as a person or as a goalie. Gillis had the chance (we all believe) to actually unload that contract. EVen if he got nothing more than a 5th, a LOT of people would have considered that a big win for him, including a lot of Vancouver fans.

He made a mistake, either out of pride or foolishness.

I would not rule out him getting another chance this summer. He really does need to stop trying to sell people on the idea that there is a line-up of teams waiting to trade for Luongo.

Perhaps - but that's what the NHLPA is there for.
- Canuckleafer

To cheat and circumvent the cap?

The only real fit for lou is Edmonton. With all those young guns, lou could shore up their goaltending and give the oil a shot to improve and eventually contend
- clark_griswold

Salary cap would be an issue. They have a lot of good young players that will need to get paid in the next 10 years...

His annual salary isn't the issue. Its the lack of flexibility they'll have if they bring him aboard.

Not in the CBA, I believe. It would only seem logical to allow them to do it, but we both know that GMs would eventually start using it to "cheat" contracts and abuse the system. Just like they circumsized the salary cap and got into this mess to begin with.
- systemtool

Oh the potential for shenanigans is HUGE, no doubt.

I just think that, outside the NHL, people can mutually agree to dissolve a contract. It might be an interesting legal challenge.

Then again, the existence of a CBA does seem to render "normal" law not applicable in some cases.

Oh the potential for shenanigans is HUGE, no doubt.

I just think that, outside the NHL, people can mutually agree to dissolve a contract. It might be an interesting legal challenge.

Then again, the existence of a CBA does seem to render "normal" law not applicable in some cases.
- Aetherial

Yea its a different world. Like forcing players of a certain age to be drafted by random teams if they want to come into the league.

I think Gillis did not realize that the REAL objective was to get rid of the contract and the distraction, at pretty much any price.

It is not a commentary on Luongo as a person or as a goalie. Gillis had the chance (we all believe) to actually unload that contract. EVen if he got nothing more than a 5th, a LOT of people would have considered that a big win for him, including a lot of Vancouver fans.

He made a mistake, either out of pride or foolishness.

I would not rule out him getting another chance this summer. He really does need to stop trying to sell people on the idea that there is a line-up of teams waiting to trade for Luongo.
- Aetherial

I wonder if the Leafs would have done Scrivens straight up?

Apparently it was him plus a couple of picks.

To cheat and circumvent the cap?
- systemtool

To look after their players and avoid having situations where GM's can take advantage of the players.

The only real fit for lou is Edmonton. With all those young guns, lou could shore up their goaltending and give the oil a shot to improve and eventually contend
- clark_griswold

Do they need a 34 year old starter though? That's a young team with a salary which will be increasing dramtically in the next 4-5 years. Mayber Bernier in the off season would be an option.

The only team I really saw a fit for Lu was TB - and they would have cap issues if they had traded for him.

Well according to the time line that TSN gave between the conversation between Nonis and Gillis.

Gillis called and offered Luongo for Scrivens and 2 2nd round picks and Nonis said No, then called a couple more times with different offers and the Leafs said no. I have not heard anything about Blacker and 5th anywhere.

I know Canuck fans hate MG, but he is just trying to get himself out of a jam "mind you he created it" the best way possible for the team. If I was a Canuck fan I would also want top dollar for Luongo he is still a very good goalie and would be an upgrade on most teams in the league, I feel bad for Bobby Lu.
- TML93

wow. an offer like this in the past wouldve got SOME of the homer posters here freaking out and tearing you apart.

it's getting rid of the contract thats the value. nothing more. u cant give him away right now. jeez.
might even have to take some useless salary back and still hardly get anything extra

i recall at the beginning of the summer getting attacked and eventually banned by micah for the ensuing back and forth after rationally mentioning how little i thought luongo would get back.

to the brett connoly + malone+ a good pick + no anchor contract coming back proposals (u know who u are)///
i would just like to take this opportunity to say;
I TOLD YOU SO.

im sorry that i had to kick you while you're down, but i just remember promising myself id do this back when the homers attacked and called me every name in the book.

wow. an offer like this in the past wouldve got SOME of the homer posters here freaking out and tearing you apart in the past.

its getting rid of the contract thats the value. nothing more. u cant give him away right now. jeez.
might even have to take some useless salary back and still not get anything more

im recalling at the beginning of the summer getting attacked and eventually banned by micah for mentioning how little lu would get back and the ensuing back and forth.
to the brett connoly + malone+ a good pick + no anchor contract coming back proposals (u know who u are)///
i would just like to take this opportunity to say;
I TOLD YOU SO.

im sorry that i had to kick you while your down, i just remember promising myself id do this back when the homers attacked and called me every name in the book.
- hugefemale dog77

100% true. Lu won't want to stay even if they elect to trade Schneider. If they have to buy Lu out because Gillis wouldn't give him away for nothing, you can be guaranteed he's gone in the off season

wow. an offer like this in the past wouldve got SOME of the homer posters here freaking out and tearing you apart in the past.

its getting rid of the contract thats the value. nothing more. u cant give him away right now. jeez.
might even have to take some useless salary back and still not get anything more

im recalling at the beginning of the summer getting attacked and eventually banned by micah for mentioning how little lu would get back and the ensuing back and forth.
to the brett connoly + malone+ a good pick + no anchor contract coming back proposals (u know who u are)///
i would just like to take this opportunity to say;
I TOLD YOU SO.

im sorry that i had to kick you while your down, i just remember promising myself id do this back when the homers attacked and called me every name in the book.
- hugefemale dog77

It's actually suprised me how long it's taken Vancouver fans to realise the contract is a deterent. The arguing back and forth about what they would receive went on for months. Getting rid of the contract IS the return.

To look after their players and avoid having situations where GM's can take advantage of the players.
- Canuckleafer

Its a signed contract. Nobody is taking advantage of anyone here. At least, I dont see it.

The only real fit for lou is Edmonton. With all those young guns, lou could shore up their goaltending and give the oil a shot to improve and eventually contend
- clark_griswold

no

luongo will help some team, but not the oilers.
we dont want that contract

in the next couple years we still need to resign the nuge, yaks, schultz, petry AND sign another top 4 dman.


dubnyk has been far from bad. pretty fantastic in stretches, along with mediocre in stretches. his numbers are pretty reasonable. i still think he can be the guy long term.
and if not, as good as luongo is, id rather keep trying to get someone with less talent and hope it works, than take on that anchor.

I couldn't disagree more. This isn't the warm & fuzzy club, it's a (frank)ing business. That kind of superficial loyalty to an outgoing asset is completely unnecessary & basically = franchise suicide.

Calgary (frank)ed themselves over BIG TIME in the name of making classy gestures that'll be forgotten faster than their fans can say "decade long re-build". They waited WAY too long to move Iginla, BLOWmeester & Kipper. The returns could have been massive if they weren't so GD delusional & pulled the trigger years sooner.

Bottom line - franchises owe players nothing more than what's written in the contract the two parties signed. Any other gestures at the expense of the franchise's best interests are inexcusable.
- DrChristianTroy

Yes it's a business, but in any business there's always the human factor like it or not . It's been we'll documented that the happier your employees are, the better results you're going to get, treat your people like poop and your're gonna get poor results. And if you only have 20 or so people to get you those results then you better make sure they're as happy as possible. A little bit of class and integrity goes a long way in getting players to buy in and play well for you. If you build an organization based on those principles you can also attract players to come and play for you. You can't do it with all players but the special ones deserve a little special consideration IMO.

If all you want is your team to be run like a business, then expect the players to be playing only for their paycheques and give nothing back to the community to city in general. I doubt that's the kind of players anyone wants, so a little consideration should be given in this situation from management to just give Lou a place to play. F they've had a bunch of deals that he's said no to, then I get it, but they haven't even approached him with one option yet and he's lost an entire year. Give the guy a break and move him so he, and the team, can move on. It's just my opinion, but mot of the other organizations would do and have done the same thing that the flames did, it's just one of those unwritten rules in the NHL, and one of the good things about the business side of the game.

im sorry that i had to kick you while you're down, but i just remember promising myself id do this back when the homers attacked and called me every name in the book.
- hugefemale dog77

I feet the same way. But a lot of people are happy he wasn't traded, even Esplen himself, so its a moot point in some cases.

One thing that's being down played in all this, I believe, is Schneider and how he feels about still having to share the net. He can't be happy about this.


While its beneficial for the Canucks to go into the playoffs with two very good goalies, its not doing anyone any favours if they're somewhat disgruntled and annoyed.

no

luongo will help some team, but not the oilers.
we dont want that contract

in the next couple years we still need to resign the nuge, yaks, schultz, petry AND sign another top 4 dman.


dubnyk has been far from bad. pretty fantastic in stretches, along with mediocre in stretches. his numbers are pretty reasonable. i still think he can be the guy long term.
and if not, as good as luongo is, id rather keep trying to get someone with less talent and hope it works, than take on that anchor.
- hugefemale dog77

Yes so many teams will be rushing to the mix, to aquire a contract that goes from 9 years to 8 years and 8 months. I think we seen the markets want for him already this year. I can't see it changing when more top goalies become available this summer.

Gillis's options are trade Schneider or put Lu on waivers.

Expect to see Lu as the #1 next year

I feet the same way. But a lot of people are happy he wasn't traded, even Esplen himself, so its a moot point in some cases.
- systemtool

they wanted 10 mil in goalies instead of shoring up any deficiencies on a team that's hasnt quite been the same this year, but at it's best is still a cup contender?

i dont believe that for a second

Yes so many teams will be rushing to the mix to aquire a contract that goes from 9 years to 8 years and 8 months. I think we seen the markets want for him already this year. I can't see it changing when more top goalies become available this summer.

Gillis's options are trade Schneider or put Lu on waivers.

Expect to see Lu as the #1 next year
- VANTEL

Sup Vantel.

Do you think Loungo even wants to stay at this point, even if they got rid of Schneider? I just feel like he wants out now. You're right though about the summer. Lots of buyouts coming, lots of UFA's, other teams will be looking to trade goalies too...I cant see it being any easier, with the salary cap going down for the first time since 2005 after years of increases.

they wanted 10 mil in goalies instead of shoring up any deficiencies on a team that's hasnt quite been the same this year, but at it's best is still a cup contender?

i dont believe that for a second
- hugefemale dog77

Whether we like to admit it or not, the Canucks are a very good team still, despite no longer ranking among the cream of the crop. The question is, will they decline even more next year as they age and lose a lot of cap space? Some concerns for sure, but they're still a good team right now and can do some playoff damage. Lots of experience on that team.