I'd be shocked if Oilers passed on him on waivers. Leafs too for that matter. Nonis wanted him - he just wanted him for free.

Buffalo Miller for Lu+ certainly isn't out of the question this summer.

and just for Fun - what if Detroit can't sign Howard? Lu fits for them, and they can make the cap work. although, having 3 golden parachute contracts already, might not want a 4th. still, something to think about
- Big_Lightnin

Nonis wanted a serviceable goaltender cheap. There are far cheaper options than that. I'm not sold that Nonis even wanted him. Again, I'm pretty sure it's a ploy. I think that going after Kipper, being able to talk him into coming, was the plan all along, using the Luongo situation to give himself the opportunity to deal in a better position.

I've thought of all of these things. Vancouver is sold on Schneider. Unless something changes, the canucks won't go after another Goalie with a high price tag. Especially Miller. If Detroit can't sign Howard, then that's likely who the Leafs go for if anyone. So then that leaves the only team, being Toronto, with 3 huge long term contracts already... Cap issues galore.

Oilers would pass, because they have 3 superstars to sign in the near future. Look what Eberle and Hall got. What will Yak, Schultz, and RNH get? More cap issues.

I don't see it.

To me.. Tampa just seems like the best fit for Lu and for them. He wants to be in Florida.. and Lu has.. easily.. 4-5 great years left in him. And boy can tampa score.. but they can't seem to stop the puck.

Luongo + a capable defensive defenseman = very solid team

Tampa SHOULD be wanting to win in the next few years.. yet they keep bringing in these project goalies.. whether they are veterans or rookies.

Its strange to me..
- kneughter

ya I thought that might happen too, but Bishop going there takes care of that. Him and Lindback going forward now.

greetings

Nonis wanted a serviceable goaltender cheap. There are far cheaper options than that. I'm not sold that Nonis even wanted him. Again, I'm pretty sure it's a ploy. I think that going after Kipper, being able to talk him into coming, was the plan all along, using the Luongo situation to give himself the opportunity to deal in a better position.

I've thought of all of these things. Vancouver is sold on Schneider. Unless something changes, the canucks won't go after another Goalie with a high price tag. Especially Miller. If Detroit can't sign Howard, then that's likely who the Leafs go for if anyone. So then that leaves the only team, being Toronto, with 3 huge long term contracts already... Cap issues galore.

Oilers would pass, because they have 3 superstars to sign in the near future. Look what Eberle and Hall got. What will Yak, Schultz, and RNH get? More cap issues.

I don't see it.
- Viktory

Truth, and Dubs has been fairly steady since last year and the last 12 games or so has looked awesome. Lu only causes Edmonton a headache.

Nonis wanted a serviceable goaltender cheap. There are far cheaper options than that. I'm not sold that Nonis even wanted him. Again, I'm pretty sure it's a ploy. I think that going after Kipper, being able to talk him into coming, was the plan all along, using the Luongo situation to give himself the opportunity to deal in a better position.

I've thought of all of these things. Vancouver is sold on Schneider. Unless something changes, the canucks won't go after another Goalie with a high price tag. Especially Miller. If Detroit can't sign Howard, then that's likely who the Leafs go for if anyone. So then that leaves the only team, being Toronto, with 3 huge long term contracts already... Cap issues galore.

Oilers would pass, because they have 3 superstars to sign in the near future. Look what Eberle and Hall got. What will Yak, Schultz, and RNH get? More cap issues.

I don't see it.
- Viktory

My theory on the Kipper situation is that the Leafs wanted him to come to Toronto and play this year and maybe the next.

I don't think they were talking to him to work out an extension. They were talking to him to make sure he'd report to the team, then retire.

To me.. Tampa just seems like the best fit for Lu and for them. He wants to be in Florida.. and Lu has.. easily.. 4-5 great years left in him. And boy can tampa score.. but they can't seem to stop the puck.

Luongo + a capable defensive defenseman = very solid team

Tampa SHOULD be wanting to win in the next few years.. yet they keep bringing in these project goalies.. whether they are veterans or rookies.

Its strange to me..
- kneughter

Because they can't afford another Lecavalier. Stamkos and Lecav make 15 mil between the two of them. Carle makes 5.5, St. Louis makes 5.6, Malone makes 4.5. They're in a very similar cap situation as Vancouver, can't afford it.

What other teams could take him? Islanders already have the albatross goalie contract in Rick. Rags, Nashville, Pens, Anaheim, Chicago, San Jose, LA, Dallas, Canes, Habs, Ottawa, Calgary Winnipeg.

You know what all these teams have in common? They don't want/need Lu.

The Leafs are being targeted by media for a reason; only place that makes sense financially and in terms of need at the beginning of the season. Now? Not so much. Reimer is the number 1.

Nonis wanted a serviceable goaltender cheap. There are far cheaper options than that. I'm not sold that Nonis even wanted him. Again, I'm pretty sure it's a ploy. I think that going after Kipper, being able to talk him into coming, was the plan all along, using the Luongo situation to give himself the opportunity to deal in a better position.

I've thought of all of these things. Vancouver is sold on Schneider. Unless something changes, the canucks won't go after another Goalie with a high price tag. Especially Miller. If Detroit can't sign Howard, then that's likely who the Leafs go for if anyone. So then that leaves the only team, being Toronto, with 3 huge long term contracts already... Cap issues galore.

Oilers would pass, because they have 3 superstars to sign in the near future. Look what Eberle and Hall got. What will Yak, Schultz, and RNH get? More cap issues.

I don't see it.
- Viktory

Lu's cap hit is only $5.3M though - it isn't debilitating at all. The only issue is term.

Oilers would be stupid not to take him on waivers.

a trade for Miller, Van could then flip Miller elsewhere for assets. Buffalo needs a new starter, and they just watched Leafs search for one for 5 years and still not be certain they have 1.

Because they can't afford another Lecavalier. Stamkos and Lecav make 15 mil between the two of them. Carle makes 5.5, St. Louis makes 5.6, Malone makes 4.5. They're in a very similar cap situation as Vancouver, can't afford it.
- Viktory

Tampa's Cap is fine - could have sent Brewer or Salo back to make a bit of space, fits easy. but that's moot now.

Because they can't afford another Lecavalier. Stamkos and Lecav make 15 mil between the two of them. Carle makes 5.5, St. Louis makes 5.6, Malone makes 4.5. They're in a very similar cap situation as Vancouver, can't afford it.
- Viktory

Even worse because they literally can't afford it.

We're not talking cap space. We're talking actual dollars and cents. They're broke.

Even worse because they literally can't afford it.

We're not talking cap space. We're talking actual dollars and cents. They're broke.
- Leeman4Gilmour

that's the more likely reason

Even worse because they literally can't afford it.

We're not talking cap space. We're talking actual dollars and cents. They're broke.
- Leeman4Gilmour

It'd put them near the literal cap AND don't have dollars. And Van won't take back salary. Have you SEEN their cap? It's scary how many dollars they don't have to sign players. Hence, buying away some of their cap issues for assets and returning slightly less valuable, and much cheaper assets to set up for a quick retool.

It makes sense, all it takes is a little negotiating.

The more I think about it the more I start to wonder if Nonis wanted Vancouver to retain some of the salary to reduce the penalty once Luongo retires...... It may be that he is free and people find other options. The cap hit once he retires sucks....

My theory on the Kipper situation is that the Leafs wanted him to come to Toronto and play this year and maybe the next.

I don't think they were talking to him to work out an extension. They were talking to him to make sure he'd report to the team, then retire.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Which makes no sense because the only way he was going to report and not retire is if he got an extension that made it worth his while.

The more I think about it the more I start to wonder if Nonis wanted Vancouver to retain some of the salary to reduce the penalty once Luongo retires...... It may be that he is free and people find other options. The cap hit once he retires sucks....
- jribout

Apparently Vancouver pays the penalty if he retires....

Tampa's Cap is fine - could have sent Brewer or Salo back to make a bit of space, fits easy. but that's moot now.
- Big_Lightnin

Yzerman seems insistent on getting young goalies for cheap and giving them a shot at the job. Not sure how long that's going to last though.

greetings
- sanfordnson

Oilers like playing the Flames don't they?

Apparently Vancouver pays the penalty if he retires....
- kneughter

And the team he plays on gets the cap hit on their cap.

Apparently Vancouver pays the penalty if he retires....
- kneughter

Each team gets a cap hit of (total actual salary paid - total cap space charged)/.amount of time left on the contract when he retires

Vancouver is already on the hook for 8.6 million
2010-2011 10,000,000 - cap hit
2011-2012 6, 716,000- cap hit
2012-2013 6, 714,000 - cap hit

each of the next 5 years is 1.4 million more.....

And the team he plays on gets the cap hit on their cap.
- Viktory

The new CBA is stupid...

The new CBA is stupid...
- kneughter

This may sound biased, but I honestly would feel the same even if the Canucks didn't have the Luongo contract, but it's total bullsh!t that the NHL is punishing teams now in the new CBA for contracts that were legal under the old CBA. I get that they're saying that those contracts signed should assume that the player will play it out since it would be illegal and unethical to sign a player to a contract with the intention of having the player retire before it runs out(not sure if that makes sense, but you get what I mean). But that's still not fair IMO. They should have at least given those players/teams a window to renegotiate their contacts or something before this season started as a last chance for players and GM's to undo those contracts that are now frowned upon.

The more I think about it the more I start to wonder if Nonis wanted Vancouver to retain some of the salary to reduce the penalty once Luongo retires...... It may be that he is free and people find other options. The cap hit once he retires sucks....
- jribout

I'm betting that Nonis did want to unload some salary in return, I don't blame him either and if I were a Leafs fan I would want him to only do the deal under that circumstance.

Oilers like playing the Flames don't they?
- Two_For_Truth

Lately yes.

Lately yes.
- sanfordnson

Another win tomorrow would be huge for you guys.

Another win tomorrow would be huge for you guys.
- Nucker101

They better not come out flat.

They better not come out flat.
- sanfordnson

Can't be worse than the Canucks last time.