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Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:53 PM ET
Do you know who I am?
- RickJames77

Celata?
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:54 PM ET
Forsberg isn't going to be as good as some people said he was going to be but definitely not worth giving up for Erat.
- Two_For_Truth

Why would a GM even take that risk? that was a dumb (frank)ing move even if Forsberg doesnt become anything more than a 3rd liner. Erat is a decent player and all but the Caps got (frank)ing fleeced there...
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:54 PM ET
Pretty sure you cannot do it, other than common sense, there is not factual proof that i have that a team cannot do it, just seems silly that a CBA would leave that kind of loop hole open...
- Prolific_Scorer

then again doesn't it seem silly that they left a loophole for the ability to front load contracts like they did in the last CBA?
Two_For_Truth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If the NHL wanted to cut ties
Joined: 06.27.2012

Apr 3 @ 6:54 PM ET
Stajan wasn't on the ice more than anyone else and when he was they weren't on the verge of playoffs.
- honesthockey


Bozak isn't the reason they're on the verge of the playoffs. He's a 3rd line center who is getting 1st line center ice time by default because he can win face-offs.
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
Besides Brian Burke, you have possibly the nastiest case of "I'm-the-smartest-guy-in-the-room-syndrome" that I have ever seen.
- fifty__missions

Have you met Adam French?
Two_For_Truth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If the NHL wanted to cut ties
Joined: 06.27.2012

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
Why would a GM even take that risk? that was a dumb (frank)ing move even if Forsberg doesnt become anything more than a 3rd liner. Erat is a decent player and all but the Caps got (frank)ing fleeced there...
- Prolific_Scorer


They desperately want to put up a division championship banner for half a season?
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
Celata?
- Leafland

huh
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
Why would a GM even take that risk? that was a dumb (frank)ing move even if Forsberg doesnt become anything more than a 3rd liner. Erat is a decent player and all but the Caps got (frank)ing fleeced there...
- Prolific_Scorer


The Washington GM doesn't care about the future...his job is clearly on the line.
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
Have you met Adam French?
- Prolific_Scorer

The closet was dark.
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:55 PM ET
then again doesn't it seem silly that they left a loophole for the ability to front load contracts like they did in the last CBA?
- RickJames77

No, but i am pretty sure they cannot do this or the rags would have done it when they bought out Redden....
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:56 PM ET
huh
- RickJames77

I guess not.
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:56 PM ET
The closet was dark.
- Leafland

Then you saw him at his very best...
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:56 PM ET
Forsberg isn't going to be as good as some people said he was going to be but definitely not worth giving up for Erat.
- Two_For_Truth

Going to have to disagree with you here. Even still, if he becomes a second line player it's still a bad trade in my eyes for the Caps.
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:57 PM ET
The Washington GM doesn't care about the future...his job is clearly on the line.
- fifty__missions

Yes it is, but (frank)ing a team totally before you get canned rarely bodes a GM well, ask JFJ...
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:58 PM ET
Bozak isn't the reason they're on the verge of the playoffs. He's a 3rd line center who is getting 1st line center ice time by default because he can win face-offs.
- Two_For_Truth


There is some truth to that. But they don't have the organizational depth to replace him from within, as you suggest. The role he plays at the moment is valuable to this team whether you like it or not.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:58 PM ET
double post
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Apr 3 @ 6:58 PM ET
Quite the opposite
- AdamFrench

Opposites attract...
honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears.
Joined: 09.23.2008

Apr 3 @ 6:58 PM ET
Bozak isn't the reason they're on the verge of the playoffs. He's a 3rd line center who is getting 1st line center ice time by default because he can win face-offs.
- Two_For_Truth


For three years and they haven't done a thing about it! And now he's getting more ice then any other Leaf forward. What are we missing that Carlyle see's?
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:59 PM ET
Yes it is, but (frank)ing a team totally before you get canned rarely bodes a GM well, ask JFJ...
- Prolific_Scorer


Oh, I'm not saying he made a good move at all. I was simply theorizing on why he made such a stupid trade.
Two_For_Truth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If the NHL wanted to cut ties
Joined: 06.27.2012

Apr 3 @ 7:00 PM ET
Going to have to disagree with you here. Even still, if he becomes a second line player it's still a bad trade in my eyes for the Caps.
- RickJames77


Some people were talking about Forsberg like his first name was Peter. That's the type of player I really doubt he becomes. But still too much to pay for Erat. Even Erat's cap hit sucks.
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 7:00 PM ET
huh
- RickJames77

Two_For_Truth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If the NHL wanted to cut ties
Joined: 06.27.2012

Apr 3 @ 7:01 PM ET
There is some truth to that. But they don't have the organizational depth to replace him from within, as you suggest. The role he plays at the moment is valuable to this team whether you like it or not.
- fifty__missions


Yes, they do. Kadri replaces Bozak, Grabovski replaces Kadri, McClement replaces Grabovski and Komarov can play the 4th line. Only thing they lose is more face-offs but in defensive situations, McClement can take them.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 3 @ 7:02 PM ET

- Leafland

I don't know what's so funny...
Prolific_Scorer
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sometimes, I wanna be your fri
Joined: 04.01.2011

Apr 3 @ 7:03 PM ET
Oh, I'm not saying he made a good move at all. I was simply theorizing on why he made such a stupid trade.
- fifty__missions

Sometimes you just cant. ask Milbury... Was funny watching TSN making fun of him last night with his trade blunders...
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 3 @ 7:03 PM ET
Yes because Bozak and MacArthur is the difference between making the Cup finals and losing in the 1st round.



Might want to realize that Holzer still played top pairing minutes and O'Byrne doesn't.

- Two_For_Truth


The argument I have about the Holzer angle is this: Holzer started the season, after playing a half a season in the AHL. Other teams and other players had to play catch up. It took about 20 games, but it showed the holes in Holzer's game, hence he was demoted. Bringing in another bottom pair defenceman, that can play a physical game, is important. When the playoffs start, we won't be able to dress both or either of MacLaren and Orr. We'll lose a measure of team toughness. By adding this defenceman into our lineup, it diminishes the need to dress all of the toughness on the forward lines. Players that take liberties on our goaltenders will think twice, before they crash our net. Hence the deal is good, since it equals what we got for Mike Brown. It's a wash.
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