It's still better to have what little veterans this young core has then educate them on their first playoff experience without them. All in the name of what you assume to be a few fledgling mind roun draft picks? Get off your pedestal.
- joel878

Yup, Bozak and MacArthur the veterans with a combined 0 playoff games.

Wasted a 4th round pick on a guy that they already have in Holzer but outside of that, good to see them not piss away anything for older players.

However, should have traded Bozak, MacArthur and Liles. Better off with the draft picks and the Leafs already have in house replacements for all three of them.
- Two_For_Truth

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 2m
Nonis says Leafs were close to adding a depth centre as well but 'not really until late in the day'

More useful as a 2nd and conditional 5th round pick.
- Two_For_Truth

How many 2nd round picks make the NHL UG? How many 5th's? Then factor how many of them turn into anything more than bottom 6 pluggers.

Now look at you deal. You want to trade Top 6 grade material (albeit lower top 6 guys) into possible bottom 6 pluggers.

I don't see the logic behind the draft pick argument unless you're picking first round or high 2nd round.

1990's
Half of the first rounders selected went on to NHL careers
25 % of 2nd rounders made the NHL
12% of people drafted in the 3rd round or later went on to the NHL

Sure there are the late bloomers like Datsyuk but not many. There are also your Martin St.Louis' but again few and far between.

Please stop with all the players for picks crap!!

Can't say i feel sorry for Gillis, hes kind of a baby. I was fully expecting him to whine and cry about the Toronto media killing another deal today.
- Leafland

His days have to be numbered after this debacle...

Nope
- AdamFrench

So why did they give up Forsberg for him besides stupidity?

He's really helping Gillis out...
- Flyfreaky

Probably his way of saying "Thanks for trading me this season".

I think the Leafs are sitting nice right now...If Kadri continues his maturation he'll take over #1 duties and then resign Bozak as a solid #2...Then Nonis can focus on tweaking and fine tuning here and there during the off season...
- Flyfreaky

Yeah exactly, Kadri can easily become first line center, just needs work on his faceoffs to polish him off.

Bozak easily becomes 2nd line centerman. And who says leafs have to split up bozak and kessel? who says they have to split kadri and lupul? If kadri proves to be number one, then the leafs should be looking at another winger.

With guys like kessel, lupul, JVR representing our top 4 wingers, easily one more good one will make us better, this is IF kadri proves to be our number one, which easily makes bozak number 2/3rd line centerman

Now look at you deal. You want to trade Top 6 grade material (albeit lower top 6 guys) into possible bottom 6 pluggers.
- stevecarpetman

Bozak and MacArthur are not good top-six players and easily replaced by Kadri and Frattin.

Also, take a look at the draft this year. It's pretty damn good. Extra 2nd round picks are more useful than pending UFAs.

Nonis is making a mistake. He had a chance to get picks for guys he already has replacements for in the system. When he has to overpay them to stay or watches them walk for nothing he's going to regret it.



Holzer played 20 minutes a game. If he played 15 minutes a game, like O'Byrne does, he would have been fine. Waste of a 4th round pick to pick up a guy who is almost identical to what they already have in the system.
- Two_For_Truth

People give up picks for rentals because they are making the playoffs. We got our rentals for nothing because they are already here. Who do you replace them with for the stretch run. The team deserved to go into the playoffs as the whole squad that got them there.

Yup, Bozak and MacArthur the veterans with a combined 0 playoff games.
- Two_For_Truth

This is why any form of intelligent conversation with you is impossible. You're an arrogant little poop with no desire to do anything but pound your own chest.

As soon as your point is completely overturned on an actual fact, it is completely stricken from the record, and the focus instead shifts to some condescending attack on the opinion based part of it, as if you're the only person on planet earth capable of one.

You've been pulling this poop on posters here for 6 years, and its (frank)ing mind boggling how its allowed to continue. For the last year and a bit, you've been doing it under an alternate account to avoid the ban you ate last time it was finally addressed. You're a parasite to these forums, nothing more.. And if this site had any self respect you'd have been deleted years ago.

For Forsberg? Unless you think Erat has an offensive explosion by getting out of the defensive system.
- Two_For_Truth

Forsberg turns bottom 9 if he makes the league. He's not the superstar people thought at one time.

Forsberg turns bottom 9 if he makes the league. He's not the superstar people thought at one time.
- stevecarpetman

But French loves him...

So why did they give up Forsberg for him besides stupidity?
- Two_For_Truth

McPhee dude...McPhee.

It's time to step off your pedestal, and realize you can speculate all day.. But you don't know anything. You don't know that there was a market for any of those guys that was worthwhile. You're taking educated guesses and breathing it as fact.

I'm dying to hear how o'byrne is overpriced. Is it the 1.6 mil part, or the pending UFA part? Or is the problem parting with an expendable 4th rounder?

He quietly address a major area of need to an unbalanced blueline, for cheap money.. And zero term, at what barely qualifies as a price tag.

Even you're going to have to stretch to whine about this one.
- joel878

The final word on this one, Uggie.

Read it and learn something.

But French loves him...
- Flyfreaky

Quite the opposite

People give up picks for rentals because they are making the playoffs. We got our rentals for nothing because they are already here. Who do you replace them with for the stretch run. The team deserved to go into the playoffs as the whole squad that got them there.
- stevecarpetman

Rentals make sense for teams that have a legit shot like the Penguins or the Bruins. Not the Leafs. If you consider Bozak and MacArthur "rentals" they're a waste of space. They have no playoff experience and they aren't worth keeping next year either. Kadri replaces Bozak and Frattin replaces MacArthur with ease. The only thing Kadri can't do is win face-offs like Bozak. That's it.

People give up picks for rentals because they are making the playoffs. We got our rentals for nothing because they are already here. Who do you replace them with for the stretch run. The team deserved to go into the playoffs as the whole squad that got them there.
- stevecarpetman

The flaw in your thinking is assuming Uggie, like the rest of us, enjoys the idea of the Leafs making the playoffs.

Ryan O'Byrne to the Leafs for a 4th, thus guy any good?
- ThePresident

He should be good enough to carry Kessel's purse...

I'm happy we didn't do much. We aren't a stanley cup contender but its good for this group to get some playoff experience together.

- honesthockey

He's right.

McPhee dude...McPhee.
- AdamFrench

Guess he just really values the division championship banner.

Bozak and MacArthur are not good top-six players and easily replaced by Kadri and Frattin.

Also, take a look at the draft this year. It's pretty damn good. Extra 2nd round picks are more useful than pending UFAs.
- Two_For_Truth

Half of the second rounders in this strong draft won't even make the NHL UG.

The ones that do will end up in bottom 6 roles except for a handfull that MIGHT be diamonds in the rough.

What a beautiful deadline day. Nonis didn't do anything incredibly stupid. Letting this team ride right now based on some of the insane poop that's been rumoured, and actually done today, is not a bad way to play it.

Lol I remember all summer and all lockout long every day the same bunch of troll fans talking about only Luongo can get the Leafs into the playoffs, and people had the Leafs giving up Kadri and a first lol

There's always that what if, maybe there was actually a deal that would have been key for the Leafs that Nonis didn't make, but right now having our first, no super crazy contracts, and the team as it stands now isn't too bad. A lot has gone the way the Leafs wanted it so far this season, if you'd told me I wouldn't have believed it

Go Leafs (frank)ing Go

He should be good enough to carry Kessel's purse...
- Prolific_Scorer

Somebody else has their purse out today.