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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
dont drink coffee, slept fine. but if i was to go onto say a sabres board, and they were ripping a useless trade for 24 hours, i'd make fun of them too. discussing harry z for 24 hours is exactly the kind of thing that makes other sports fans hate philly fans.
- flyershockey


It's more about the potential trade that is coming and hoping it makes more sense than the Rose for Z trade.

Simple.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
Then bring up another topic, rather than complaining and name calling.

Want to discuss the Flyers possible pursuit of Tyler Myers and Thomas Vanek?

- Jsaquella

Not gonna happen now... Rumor has it Harry Z was the final piece that Buffalo wanted...
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
Not Schultz... Shcultz


- jak521


I had to check that like 8 times to find the difference.. but I knew it was there.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
Wisdom teeth extraction?
- Scoob

Yes. I suffered a sinus communication and it is nasty. Caused an infection in my sinus, all of which I self-diagnosed over the weekend because the office was closed for the holiday. I also self-medicated with the pain relievers and Sudafed to clean out the sinus. I ran out of antibiotic yesterday (and knew I was going to), so I left work early to visit the dentist (as the surgeon is out of town until Wednesday) so I could get more/stronger antibiotics.

Unfortunately, the pressure was so bad last night I stayed home today and forsook the high-intensity Ibuprofen for the Vicodin. Finally got to sleep around 4:45 AM.

Just finished breakfast and took more meds.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
I was thinking the Argument Sketch from Monty Python, complete with complaints and getting hit on the head lessons.
- Flyskippy

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
dont drink coffee, slept fine. but if i was to go onto say a sabres board, and they were ripping a useless trade for 24 hours, i'd make fun of them too. discussing harry z for 24 hours is exactly the kind of thing that makes other sports fans hate philly fans.
- flyershockey


And we care about that because....?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 11:59 AM ET
Not Schultz... Shcultz


- jak521

My head is under pressure and under Vicodin's influence. I'm not going to be grokking sarcasm and wit much.

Please keep it simple for me.

flyershockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: smh, NC
Joined: 07.09.2006

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
Then bring up another topic, rather than complaining and name calling.

Want to discuss the Flyers possible pursuit of Tyler Myers and Thomas Vanek?

- Jsaquella


it makes more sense than discussing harry z. i've never seen tyler myers play a good game, hes clumsy on his skates and awkward in his movements. i like vanek but not at the cap hit, he wouldn't make sense to bring on.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
Not gonna happen now... Rumor has it Harry Z was the final piece that Buffalo wanted...
- jak521

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
Not gonna happen now... Rumor has it Harry Z was the final piece that Buffalo wanted...
- jak521

I missed Mike Maneluk more when he was traded than Harry Z. And I liked Harry Z.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
The fact is that Zolnierczyk provided some solid fourth line play when he was up. Flyers went 4-1 in games he played I believe.

I'm not bemoaning the loss of Zolneirczyk, more criticizing two aspects of the mentality:

1. Making a knee jerk trade based on a perceived hole that doesn't really exist

2. The philosophy that says that an enforcer stops other teams from taking liberties.

- Jsaquella


But #2 is true. Players know that if they take liberties at Giroux, Rosehill will immediately propel himself off the bench, throw off his gloves (really, does he even need them or a stick?), roar like a wolf out of Valhalla, and attempt to curl his hands into tight balls and thrust them towards the offender's face. After which the offender's team will have something like a 45-minute PP. Total deterrent.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
Yes. I suffered a sinus communication and it is nasty. Caused an infection in my sinus, all of which I self-diagnosed over the weekend because the office was closed for the holiday. I also self-medicated with the pain relievers and Sudafed to clean out the sinus. I ran out of antibiotic yesterday (and knew I was going to), so I left work early to visit the dentist (as the surgeon is out of town until Wednesday) so I could get more/stronger antibiotics.

Unfortunately, the pressure was so bad last night I stayed home today and forsook the high-intensity Ibuprofen for the Vicodin. Finally got to sleep around 4:45 AM.

Just finished breakfast and took more meds.

- Flyskippy

Jebus... you and Jsaq are like JvR and Meszy
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
The goon mentality has won cups recently. Having someone on your team that is tough and can stand up to anyone else in the league is reassuring.

There are hundreds on Harry Z's in this league. He brings nothing special to the Flyers. Rosehill will at least bring something useful to the Flyers with the conference they play in.

- flyers2001


Which recent Cup winner had a goon like Rosehill, who actually dressed regularly, especially in the playoffs? Even teams like Anaheim and Boston, who play physical hockey, didn't employ an out and out goon. The one possible name is Parros with the Ducks, and he didn't play but 1 game in the playoffs.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:01 PM ET
dont drink coffee, slept fine. but if i was to go onto say a sabres board, and they were ripping a useless trade for 24 hours, i'd make fun of them too. discussing harry z for 24 hours is exactly the kind of thing that makes other sports fans hate philly fans.
- flyershockey

Meh
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 2 @ 12:01 PM ET
Yes. I suffered a sinus communication and it is nasty. Caused an infection in my sinus, all of which I self-diagnosed over the weekend because the office was closed for the holiday. I also self-medicated with the pain relievers and Sudafed to clean out the sinus. I ran out of antibiotic yesterday (and knew I was going to), so I left work early to visit the dentist (as the surgeon is out of town until Wednesday) so I could get more/stronger antibiotics.

Unfortunately, the pressure was so bad last night I stayed home today and forsook the high-intensity Ibuprofen for the Vicodin. Finally got to sleep around 4:45 AM.

Just finished breakfast and took more meds.

- Flyskippy



Ugh, that sucks. Sorry to hear. I hope it clears up for you soon.

I had all four of mine extracted on the 7th of last month. My recovery was smooth. Never touched the oxycodone. I didn't even want to fill that prescription but my wife insisted just in case. I understand her thought process but we ended up flushing it once I knew I wouldn't need it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 12:01 PM ET
Yes. I suffered a sinus communication and it is nasty. Caused an infection in my sinus, all of which I self-diagnosed over the weekend because the office was closed for the holiday. I also self-medicated with the pain relievers and Sudafed to clean out the sinus. I ran out of antibiotic yesterday (and knew I was going to), so I left work early to visit the dentist (as the surgeon is out of town until Wednesday) so I could get more/stronger antibiotics.

Unfortunately, the pressure was so bad last night I stayed home today and forsook the high-intensity Ibuprofen for the Vicodin. Finally got to sleep around 4:45 AM.

Just finished breakfast and took more meds.

- Flyskippy


Damn. That's a rough go. All that for a boob job.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:02 PM ET
Jebus... you and Jsaq are like JvR and Meszy
- jak521



It's a tough year for many of us.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Apr 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Are almost killing people and suspensions included in the "spark plug" role? Did you see a Russian league player was killed by a check similar to Harry Z's hits...

If you want speed on the 4th line... Wellwood. More defense on the 4th line Holmstrom. If you need more grit, Rosehill. More talent overall, McGinn.

- leon neon


Agreed. Non one is saying that the Flyers "won" the Harry Z-Rosehill trade. What most of us are saying is..."Who cares?". Neither player are/were likely to make any impact on this team. Harry Z had multiple chances to crack the lineup, and for whatever reason (discipline, suspension, dog-house, etc.) ; he never became a regular for the lineup. It may be reactionary on the Flyers' part, but the ultimate question is: "Who cares?". Whether it reactionary, logical, fiscal, or just the spin of a wheel; the fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect the Flyers. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining. Believe me, this really doesn't require your time or effort. There are plenty of bad moves/bad hockey ahead of us.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Ugh, that sucks. Sorry to hear. I hope it clears up for you soon.

I had all four of mine extracted on the 7th of last month. My recovery was smooth.

- Scoob

Ok, so I'm Meszaros and you're Timonen.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Damn. That's a rough go. All that for a boob job.
- Jsaquella

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 2 @ 12:04 PM ET
Agreed. Non one is saying that the Flyers "won" the Harry Z-Rosehill trade. What most of us are saying is..."Who cares?". Neither player are/were likely to make any impact on this team. Harry Z had multiple chances to crack the lineup, and for whatever reason (discipline, suspension, dog-house, etc.) ; he never became a regular for the lineup. It may be reactionary on the Flyers' part, but the ultimate question is: "Who cares?". Whether it reactionary, logical, fiscal, or just the spin of a wheel; the fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect the Flyers. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining. Believe me, this really doesn't require your time or effort. There are plenty of bad moves/bad hockey ahead of us.
- steelydan

Amen. Let's keep our eyes on the prize, guys (and Bo, Davies, FlyersGrace, etc.)!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
Agreed. Non one is saying that the Flyers "won" the Harry Z-Rosehill trade. What most of us are saying is..."Who cares?". Neither player are/were likely to make any impact on this team. Harry Z had multiple chances to crack the lineup, and for whatever reason (discipline, suspension, dog-house, etc.) ; he never became a regular for the lineup. It may be reactionary on the Flyers' part, but the ultimate question is: "Who cares?". Whether it reactionary, logical, fiscal, or just the spin of a wheel; the fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect the Flyers. Some people like to complain for the sake of complaining. Believe me, this really doesn't require your time or effort. There are plenty of bad moves/bad hockey ahead of us.
- steelydan


When those moves come, I guarantee you, they will be discussed. Seeing as this is a Flyers blog, the most recent Flyers news is being discussed. At the moment, that news is the Harry Z trade. So it is the topic being discussed most.

Should have traded Harry Z for a guy more like Rosehill.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
Ok, so I'm Meszaros and you're Timonen.
- Flyskippy



As my doc explained, everyone is different.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Apr 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
it makes more sense than discussing harry z. i've never seen tyler myers play a good game, hes clumsy on his skates and awkward in his movements. i like vanek but not at the cap hit, he wouldn't make sense to bring on.
- flyershockey


Glad I dropped by Allow me to explain..

Myers was horrid the first month of the season and admitted to his teammates that he had the conditioning of an obese 85 year old woman when the season started. Since then his game has really turned around and is making better decision with the puck (though you'll find the occasional gaff here and there). He's starting to find a balance between his offense and defense (i.e pinching and getting back) and it's lead him to be much better (though he would still benefit from a really good defense first partner, like Timmonen ) . I'd argue that aside from the stats being pitiful his overall play is finally creeping back to his calder trophy year.

And yea, not sure why you guys would want Vanek, Holmgren knows the cap is going down right?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
Kurtis Foster on waivers today.
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