Cause Torts hates him, hates me, and hate all of us
- TPC

I honestly wish I could be John Giannone for a period, just to see how Torts decides to continuously shift Boyle, while ignoring Kreiders existence on the bench..

I'm not arguing that at all, my point is Mitchell plays with who? Maybe Parantaeu and Stastny? (Not too familiar with Colorado's lines). Gabby has been given the opportunity to play with Stepan, Nash, Richards, Hagelin, and Callahan and still can't score a goal to save his life. If he scores tonight I will gladly eat my words, but for Mitchell to leave the Rangers, where he was playing maybe 7 minutes a night, to go to one of the worst teams in the league (regardless of their scoring percentage) and start racking up points shows that there's something wrong with this picture, whether it's our team as a whole or just Gaborik.

Just wondering, who's worse than us in this league at scoring? Florida?
- RAG$4LIFE

Nobody is worse than the Rangers, 28 other teams, along with Colorado score more than this sorry group.

He's ruining Kreider as we speak. Kid has been bounced around like a ping pong ball from Hartford to NYC. Against both Philly and Ottawa he was one of the best players on the ice. He was benched in the 3rd period vs the Sens, why? He got lost in the shuffle against the habs. Now he's on the 4th line tonight. Why? Torts is ruining Kreider.
- tomburton99

Agreed. And soon he's gonna do it to Miller. This team has too much offensive talent to be playing such a defensive style. Just let the kids play, let them learn from their mistakes and they'll be better players for it. What does Torts do? He throws out Kreider or Miller in a pressure situation and if they mess up they either get benched or summoned to the 4th line. Either let the kids contribute or send them down to the AHL where they can play first line minutes.

I honestly wish I could be John Giannone for a period, just to see how Torts decides to continuously shift Boyle, while ignoring Kreiders existence on the bench..
- MeanestOfTimes

My only answer is that Torts thinks Kreider should be in the AHL but Sather wants him up. Since Torts is stuck with him, he gets this treatment.

If this year continues on its current trajectory, there is no way that Torts gets to take this team into camp next year. No way, no how.

If we just forgot about last year, and judged this year on its own merits, this is one of the worst coached Rangers teams I have seen. And, that is saying quite a bit given some coaches that we had here between 1998 and 2004.

It's getting to the point where I would rather take a dump in the woods than watch this team.

I'm not arguing that at all, my point is Mitchell plays with who? Maybe Parantaeu and Stastny? (Not too familiar with Colorado's lines). Gabby has been given the opportunity to play with Stepan, Nash, Richards, Hagelin, and Callahan and still can't score a goal to save his life. If he scores tonight I will gladly eat my words, but for Mitchell to leave the Rangers, where he was playing maybe 7 minutes a night, to go to one of the worst teams in the league (regardless of their scoring percentage) and start racking up points shows that there's something wrong with this picture, whether it's our team as a whole or just Gaborik.

Just wondering, who's worse than us in this league at scoring? Florida?
- RAG$4LIFE

Mitchell has scored double figures in goals all of one time in his career. At his career rate he would net 11 goals in a full season on average.

Gaborik has three times eclipsed the 40 goal mark and potted 30 or more four other times. Using his career rate prorating a full season gives us 36 goals.

Gaborik should be scoring goals but comparing him to Mitchell is a stretch. Particularly since we are talking about Mitchell's performance in less than half a real season. I'm glad for him and all but I'd much rather have Gaborik on my team despite his struggles this year. Just my opinion.

Nobody is worse than the Rangers, 28 other teams, along with Colorado score more than this sorry group.
- MidnightMarauder

Just absolutely embarrassing. Look at all the offensive talent this team has. I've always been a Torts supporter, but he's starting to lose me insanely fast. I think if things continue to go down hill Torts will be fired by years end and Kenny Gernander will take over as interim coach.

What difference does it make if Gabby starts lighting it up after he's traded? Who cares? He's not lighting it up here and that's all that matters. John Mithcell (9 goals, 16 pts) and Pruster (4 goals, 9 points) are super productive on their respective teams now and no one says anything about that, yet some are so insistent on giving Gabby more and more slack. HE HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF GOALS AS JOHN FRIGGIN MITCHELL! Not to mention that Gabby is a minus 8 while Mitchell is a plus 7 on a sh!tty Colarado team.
- RAG$4LIFE

Who had the say with Sather to let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedetenko walk? It was Torts, & not Gaborik. Who was the one who played Gabby on the LW for about the first 30 games; instead of his career RW position? That was also Torts, and not Gaborik.
If you think for a second that Mitchell would have 9 goals and 7 assists playing on the 3rd or 4th line with THIS coach's defensive system this season, you are dreaming. But Mitchell is missed for his other contributions that he and Feds made to us last year. We don't have to comment on Prust, because his let go by the Rangers is the reason why we are where we are right now; and MTL. is where they are also.
Notice that there has been a change in this past week in Torty's system to include some more offensive pressure in his system. I wonder if Hank ordered him to do that; but I hope that it was not too late to decide this season's outcome!

I thought this is why Kreider was in Hartford because of exactly what Torts is doing, he's ruining him, this place is gonna turn soon and I wanted to set a good example for my kids

My only answer is that Torts thinks Kreider should be in the AHL but Sather wants him up. Since Torts is stuck with him, he gets this treatment.
- TPC

Isnt the final decision of a call up or demotion on the head coach tho? I mean obviously Sather would be involved if it were a contractual issue. Im not sure though

Just absolutely embarrassing. Look at all the offensive talent this team has. I've always been a Torts supporter, but he's starting to lose me insanely fast. I think if things continue to go down hill Torts will be fired by years end and Kenny Gernander will take over as interim coach.
- RAG$4LIFE

At this point, I just want them to take their time and make the right decision on the next coach (if it comes to that). If you fire him this year, go interim, unless someone currently available knocks your socks off.

A couple of weeks ago, I thought this season could be saved with a new coach. I am beginning to think it is a lost cause. They really need a drastic turn around in their play, really fast.

@stevezipay @stevezipay: Tortorella says Brian Boyle will play both center and wing tonight. Says he liked his performances in the last few games

Don't know what games torts is watching but this statement is scary

If this year continues on its current trajectory, there is no way that Torts gets to take this team into camp next year. No way, no how.

If we just forgot about last year, and judged this year on its own merits, this is one of the worst coached Rangers teams I have seen. And, that is saying quite a bit given some coaches that we had here between 1998 and 2004.

It's getting to the point where I would rather take a dump in the woods than watch this team.
- Pete V

He is poorly mismanaging the lines and can't control his bench. How many bad line changes has this team made thus far? Those egregious mistakes are on the coaches as much as the players.

His playing favorites is my biggest issue though; why does Kreider get the shaft while pieces of garbage like Boyle continue to get valuable minutes?

Who had the say with Sather to let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedetenko walk? It was Torts, & not Gaborik. Who was the one who played Gabby on the LW for about the first 30 games; instead of his career RW position? That was also Torts, and not Gaborik.
If you think for a second that Mitchell would have 9 goals and 7 assists playing on the 3rd or 4th line with THIS coach's defensive system this season, you are dreaming. But Mitchell is missed for his other contributions that he and Feds made to us last year. We don't have to comment on Prust, because his let go by the Rangers is the reason why we are where we are right now; and MTL. is where they are also.
Notice that there has been a change in this past week in Torty's system to include some more offensive pressure in his system. I wonder if Hank ordered him to do that; but I hope that it was not too late to decide this season's outcome!
- RangerSaver

I take exception with this one. That was purely a business decision made by upper management. Torts loved Prust and I guarantee you he wanted that guy back. But Slats and co. made an understandable business decision that looks bad now. Regardless, Torts had to live with it and support. But I assure you he would have loved to have Prust back here.

Mitchell has scored double figures in goals all of one time in his career. At his career rate he would net 11 goals in a full season on average.

Gaborik has three times eclipsed the 40 goal mark and potted 30 or more four other times. Using his career rate prorating a full season gives us 36 goals.

Gaborik should be scoring goals but comparing him to Mitchell is a stretch. Particularly since we are talking about Mitchell's performance in less than half a real season. I'm glad for him and all but I'd much rather have Gaborik on my team despite his struggles this year. Just my opinion.
- gkmkiller

I understand and your right, but I wasn't trying to compare the two players. My original post was directed to a poster who suggested we'd all look like idiots if we forced Gabby out of town and he becomes a beast with his new team. I was merely pointing out that we let Mitchell walk for nothing and now he's a top player for his new club. Wasn't comparing the two players by any means (aside from offensive stats), we all know that naturally Gabby has way more offensive talent than John Mitchell. I was just attempting to make a point. My bad if I caused some confusion.

Who had the say with Sather to let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedetenko walk? It was Torts, & not Gaborik. Who was the one who played Gabby on the LW for about the first 30 games; instead of his career RW position? That was also Torts, and not Gaborik.
If you think for a second that Mitchell would have 9 goals and 7 assists playing on the 3rd or 4th line with THIS coach's defensive system this season, you are dreaming. But Mitchell is missed for his other contributions that he and Feds made to us last year. We don't have to comment on Prust, because his let go by the Rangers is the reason why we are where we are right now; and MTL. is where they are also.
Notice that there has been a change in this past week in Torty's system to include some more offensive pressure in his system. I wonder if Hank ordered him to do that; but I hope that it was not too late to decide this season's outcome!
- RangerSaver

When did torts become GM?

You sir are a BLAAAAAAAABERMOUTH!

I thought this is why Kreider was in Hartford because of exactly what Torts is doing, he's ruining him, this place is gonna turn soon and I wanted to set a good example for my kids
- cranford93

If this continues the rest of the week I'm on the full blown fire him bandwagon. I may even be there now. He's destroying our assets including gaborik.

He's ruining Kreider as we speak. Kid has been bounced around like a ping pong ball from Hartford to NYC. Against both Philly and Ottawa he was one of the best players on the ice. He was benched in the 3rd period vs the Sens, why? He got lost in the shuffle against the habs. Now he's on the 4th line tonight. Why? Torts is ruining Kreider.
- tomburton99

i want kreider playing top 9 minutes too but who would he replace?

@stevezipay @stevezipay: Tortorella says Brian Boyle will play both center and wing tonight. Says he liked his performances in the last few games

Don't know what games torts is watching but this statement is scary
- fquicks

He should get fired just for making that statement

Who had the say with Sather to let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedetenko walk? It was Torts, & not Gaborik. Who was the one who played Gabby on the LW for about the first 30 games; instead of his career RW position? That was also Torts, and not Gaborik.
If you think for a second that Mitchell would have 9 goals and 7 assists playing on the 3rd or 4th line with THIS coach's defensive system this season, you are dreaming. But Mitchell is missed for his other contributions that he and Feds made to us last year. We don't have to comment on Prust, because his let go by the Rangers is the reason why we are where we are right now; and MTL. is where they are also.
Notice that there has been a change in this past week in Torty's system to include some more offensive pressure in his system. I wonder if Hank ordered him to do that; but I hope that it was not too late to decide this season's outcome!
- RangerSaver

You suggesting that Torts forced Mitchell, Prust, and Feds out of town is very much a stretch. We all know Slats doesn't play games when it comes to salary negotiations. It was known that Prust and Feds wanted to stay in NY, and Torts loved both players, but it's a business and it didn't work out in negotiations. You can't pin that on Torts, he just coaches the players, he doesn't negotiate contracts.

Listen I'm not saying Torts isn't at fault here. It's my belief that we have too much offensive firepower to be last in the league in scoring. Plain and simple. Im sick of getting a lead and sitting back on it, I'm sick on the dump and chase, I'm sick of not sustaining any pressure in the offensive zone. Am I blaming that on Gabby? Absolutely not, that falls on the coach.

i want kreider playing top 9 minutes too but who would he replace?
- rangerdanger94

Top 9: hags step Nash cally Richards gabby kreider miller zuccs. There ya go.

edit: who the (frank) is the 9th guy that kreider isn't there now? I don't even know cause he scrambles em so much

I take exception with this one. That was purely a business decision made by upper management. Torts loved Prust and I guarantee you he wanted that guy back. But Slats and co. made an understandable business decision that looks bad now. Regardless, Torts had to live with it and support. But I assure you he would have loved to have Prust back here.
- gkmkiller

Yep, I think to a man, we were all glad Prust wasn't signed to that contract. In hindsight it was a regrettable move but that moment in time has passed.

At this point, I just want them to take their time and make the right decision on the next coach (if it comes to that). If you fire him this year, go interim, unless someone currently available knocks your socks off.

A couple of weeks ago, I thought this season could be saved with a new coach. I am beginning to think it is a lost cause. They really need a drastic turn around in their play, really fast.
- Pete V

I understand what you mean. I think firing Torts now, bringing in someone else and attempting to implement a new system at this point in the season will guarantee that we miss the playoffs, but if it returns us to a number 1 seed next year I wouldn't totally hate the move. I just feel that this squad needs a shake up.

Top 9: hags step Nash cally Richards gabby kreider miller zuccs. There ya go.

edit: who the (frank) is the 9th guy that kreider isn't there now? I don't even know cause he scrambles em so much
- mrhattrick27

Big bad Boyle

I understand what you mean. I think firing Torts now, bringing in someone else and attempting to implement a new system at this point in the season will guarantee that we miss the playoffs, but if it returns us to a number 1 seed next year I wouldn't totally hate the move. I just feel that this squad needs a shake up.
- RAG$4LIFE

As an interm coach why is it pointless?