No, the point is he has talent that he doesn't use. The Leafs wanted a power forward and he throws one big hit a year. What's the difference between an average size player and a big forward who rarely uses his size? Just "battling along the boards", which you are exaggerating greatly, isn't what his talent level is suppose to be able to produce.
- Two_For_Truth

The big knock on JVR was that he didn't go to the dirty spots....
He does that consistently now.....
I will take the streaky scoring.... especially if it wins us a playoff series....

No, the point is he has talent that he doesn't use. The Leafs wanted a power forward and he throws one big hit a year. What's the difference between an average size player and a big forward who rarely uses his size? Just "battling along the boards", which you are exaggerating greatly, isn't what his talent level is suppose to be able to produce.
- Two_For_Truth

Using your size doesn;t just mean throwing big hits every game. Sundin wasn't throwing hits, but he was using his size to protect the puck. JVR is inconsistent, and I'm still not sold on the trade by any means... but don't expect him to start throwing hits. That's not why he was acquired.

doesn't mean he's confident about his ice-time. Lupul's scored every game. Just cause JVR's still getting minutes doesn't mean he will be a couple games from now.
- Big_Lightnin

So he's a paranoid headcase who rather than up his game to compete with those who might be better than him just folds up like a cheap lawn chair?

Because stone cold said so
- Mapleleafs_91

http://www.dailymotion.co...s-club_sport#.UVntGBymgWI

No, the point is he has talent that he doesn't use. The Leafs wanted a power forward and he throws one big hit a year. What's the difference between an average size player and a big forward who rarely uses his size? Just "battling along the boards", which you are exaggerating greatly, isn't what his talent level is suppose to be able to produce.
- Two_For_Truth

Leafs had no delusions of getting Lucic when the traded for JVR.

They were very happy with his play for 15-20 games. Need to get him in a mindset to play that way every game. Obviously easier said than done however. Still a young player.

A lot of players are inconsistent... he consistently battles on the boards and in front of the net, he works hard... his points are streaky....

Who cares as long as there is consistent effort and good results at the end of the season....

I guess we wouldn't want a 100 point scorer whose season splits were 70/30
- jribout

He is captain opposite - I wouldn't worry - had zero hockey knowledge - you know Kessel is on the decline - JVR in his 4th year is inconsistent like 3 years is a good mark to start judging with last year him only playing 1/2 a year. I would put much into what he has to say - black is white and white is black - he ignores me as he knows I know he is in here just to stir the pot

“@TSNBobMcKenzie: I'll be interested to see if SJ scratches Ryane Clowe from tonight's game (see CGY vis a vis Iginla). Makes sense given the situation.”

Using your size doesn;t just mean throwing big hits every game. Sundin wasn't throwing hits, but he was using his size to protect the puck. JVR is inconsistent, and I'm still not sold on the trade by any means... but don't expect him to start throwing hits. That's not why he was acquired.
- Feeling Glucky?

Sundin didn't have to throw big hits because he had 10 times the talent that van Riemsdyk has so he could get away with it. But if Sundin wanted to throw big hits, good luck to anybody in his path and it probably would have done his game a lot of good if he did.

The Leafs wanted a power forward. A power forward who doesn't use his size effectively and doesn't have elite level talent defeats the purpose of having a power forward.

Why do we need more offensive d-men? I don't understand that at all when we have Liles, Gardiner, Franson and Phaneuf with Percy and Rielly ready to compete at the NHL level as early as 2014.
- Unholy_Forward

i wouldnt call percy an offensive dman, more all around, a better version of gunnarson if you ask me

So he's a paranoid headcase who rather than up his game to compete with those who might be better than him just folds up like a cheap lawn chair?
- Two_For_Truth

wow Theorizing here. pretend for a minute you can have a normal conversation about something.

we know there's an issue. Trying to figure out when or why it comes up. Clearly he CAN play at a high level, we've seen it.

what changes when he goes cold? has to be something he's either thinking or doing differently, and has to be a reason for it.

Using your size doesn;t just mean throwing big hits every game. Sundin wasn't throwing hits, but he was using his size to protect the puck. JVR is inconsistent, and I'm still not sold on the trade by any means... but don't expect him to start throwing hits. That's not why he was acquired.
- Feeling Glucky?

He's tall it big yes, still needs to fill out, 6'3" 200 is pretty skinny IMHO

The big knock on JVR was that he didn't go to the dirty spots....
He does that consistently now.....
I will take the streaky scoring.... especially if it wins us a playoff series....
- jribout

Still doesn't. He does it selectively. Or, to use a better term, inconsistently.

ek prolly just set fire to the nucks boards

ek prolly just set fire to the nucks boards
- Dozzer

Leafs had no delusions of getting Lucic when the traded for JVR.
- Big_Lightnin

Lucic helped win a Stanley Cup for a reason.

They were very happy with his play for 15-20 games. Need to get him in a mindset to play that way every game. Obviously easier said than done however. Still a young player.

Then they are happy with a power forward who rarely hits and scores inconsistently which completely defeats the purpose of having a power forward.

Still doesn't. He does it selectively. Or, to use a better term, inconsistently.
- Two_For_Truth

He's not a power forward needs to mature - he needs at least 20 pounds before he's a power forward - he's young!!!!

Sundin didn't have to throw big hits because he had 10 times the talent that van Riemsdyk has so he could get away with it. But if Sundin wanted to throw big hits, good luck to anybody in his path and it probably would have done his game a lot of good if he did.

The Leafs wanted a power forward. A power forward who doesn't use his size effectively and doesn't have elite level talent defeats the purpose of having a power forward.
- Two_For_Truth

I think they wanted a top 6 forward who could score, and thus far, I think they got what they wanted from JVR. The do want more though, but that's expected when the guy is 23 and should continue to improve.

Lucic helped win a Stanley Cup for a reason.



Then they are happy with a power forward who rarely hits and scores inconsistently which completely defeats the purpose of having a power forward.
- Two_For_Truth

as opposed to how incredibly consistent Lucic's goal scoring is

but again, they had no delusions they were getting a Lucic type player. Only one calling him a power forward is you.

Burkie called him a "big body who doesn't bang and crash, but is more of a skill guy." or something like that.

Lucic helped win a Stanley Cup for a reason.



Then they are happy with a power forward who rarely hits and scores inconsistently which completely defeats the purpose of having a power forward.
- Two_For_Truth

So we should use a buy-out on JVR then I guess... Then we can use that money to build a time machine to undo the trade.

I think they wanted a top 6 forward who could score, and thus far, I think they got what they wanted from JVR. The do want more though, but that's expected when the guy is 23 and should continue to improve.
- mykokes

No, they clearly stated, time and time again, they wanted a forward with size. But a forward with size who rarely uses it defeats the purpose of it.

Handzuz for a 4th, to Chicago

as opposed to how incredibly consistent Lucic's goal scoring is
- Big_Lightnin

And when Lucic isn't scoring he's beating the hell out of players either physically or with his fists.

Y'know, what a real power forward is suppose to do.

No, they clearly stated, time and time again, they wanted a forward with size. But a forward with size who rarely uses it defeats the purpose of it.
- Two_For_Truth

Does he go to the net? Does he plant himself there? That is what they wanted. A forward with size doesn't necessarily equate to a power forward, rather a guy who will go to the front of the net and take punishment to get goals. See Dave Andreychuk.

There's only one Lucic in the NHL TFT. He's not a necessity to winning the cup. He helps, but he's not the end all to be all.

Handzuz for a 4th, to Chicago
- Leafland

Now all they need is Ryan Miller and they're set.

Still doesn't. He does it selectively. Or, to use a better term, inconsistently.
- Two_For_Truth

Your almost as blind as you are wrong all the time