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Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:09 PM ET
Broken leg. Saw a rough you tube vid and it looked like it broke in multiple places. Or it could be that it flopped around so much that it just looked that way. Terrible, terrible injury and 100% accidental. Did it coming back down to court after jumping to block a shot.
- gkmkiller


Once I saw pitino bawling I knew it was really bad. These guys bodies are sometimes not meant to do what they do.

I remember breaking my 5th metatarsal in my foot years ago and being in extreme pain. This kind of injury?oh Lordy. Gonna be a tough recovery from that
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:10 PM ET
Was it a Duke player or Louisville player? I didn't see it was eating.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:11 PM ET
Was it a Duke player or Louisville player? I didn't see it was eating.
- tomburton99


Louisville
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:16 PM ET
Once I saw pitino bawling I knew it was really bad. These guys bodies are sometimes not meant to do what they do.

I remember breaking my 5th metatarsal in my foot years ago and being in extreme pain. This kind of injury?oh Lordy. Gonna be a tough recovery from that

- Slimtj100

When it's that bad sometimes you don't even feel the pain right away. When I blew my knee out four years ago it hurt some but the pain subsided after a few minutes enough that I tried to stand. Then I fell over because there was no stability in the knee. That's when I knew I was screwed. But I hadn't felt anything until I got home that night from the doctor. Oh boy, that was painful.

Poor kid, I hope he recovers fully.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:19 PM ET
When it's that bad sometimes you don't even feel the pain right away. When I blew my knee out four years ago it hurt some but the pain subsided after a few minutes enough that I tried to stand. Then I fell over because there was no stability in the knee. That's when I knew I was screwed. But I hadn't felt anything until I got home that night from the doctor. Oh boy, that was painful.

Poor kid, I hope he recovers fully.

- gkmkiller


Omg I just saw it. Why did I wanna see it!

That makes theismann look like a sprain

gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:26 PM ET
Omg I just saw it. Why did I wanna see it!

That makes theismann look like a sprain


- Slimtj100

Yeah, that is not a pleasant replay to watch. Looking at the kid's face and he looked like he was in shock thankfully.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:32 PM ET
Is he a top prospect? He's from the Bronx.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:45 PM ET
Is he a top prospect? He's from the Bronx.
- Slimtj100

Not enough of an NCAA basketball fan to know. I imagine if he's starting for Louisville he must have at least an outside shot of a pro career.
ManhattanHockey
Location: NEW YORK, NY
Joined: 03.20.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:54 PM ET
putting richards or gaborik on the ice is effectively giving the opposition a power play. their half hearted stick checks on the forecheck rarely result in anything. if they are not scoring or assisting they are dead weight. it is a disgrace with amount of money that they are getting and frankly the rangers and their fans should ask for a refund, at least for this season. and if i saw a consistant effort from these guys i would not be hammering them. as for torts, does anybody think that he wants nash, gaborik or richards blocking shots ? getting in the shooting lanes and disrupting a quality shot maybe. nor does he expect rhichards or gaborik to hit people, not that they ever would ! it is their lack of interest and/or effort night in and night out that is the huge hole in the offense. richards is horrible on faceoffs most of the time. his backcheck consists of 2 strides and glide. i am not saying they are the sole reason for a rangers bad season but when $14 million is producing close to zero what can you do ? if they want out, then go tell sather to get them out, unfortunately gaborik is the only one that might be tradable. others have not performed on the team too, including a horribly coached PP. but i am getting really tired of watching a flat start and these guys gliding through the game.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:57 PM ET
Out of curiosity, I've seen a few people mention the name of Craig MacTavish as a possible replacement for Torts if/when he gets fired. Why does he seem to be a popular alternative? Myself, I think it is telling he hasn't gotten a second chance after Edmonton. I wonder why that is the case.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Mar 31 @ 7:01 PM ET
Out of curiosity, I've seen a few people mention the name of Craig MacTavish as a possible replacement for Torts if/when he gets fired. Why does he seem to be a popular alternative? Myself, I think it is telling he hasn't gotten a second chance after Edmonton. I wonder why that is the case.
- gkmkiller


Which also begs the question... why did it take so long for Michel Terrien to get a job after getting fired from PIT?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 7:15 PM ET
Which also begs the question... why did it take so long for Michel Terrien to get a job after getting fired from PIT?
- aecliptic

i'm preparing to send my xbox harddrive in so they can see my work in be a gm mode if there's an open position.

i'd be a hell of a gm/coach.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Mar 31 @ 7:18 PM ET
i'm preparing to send my xbox harddrive in so they can see my work in be a gm mode if there's an open position.

i'd be a hell of a gm/coach.

- rangerdanger94


LOL, I get like three 1st round picks every year without giving up big assets.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 7:21 PM ET
Out of curiosity, I've seen a few people mention the name of Craig MacTavish as a possible replacement for Torts if/when he gets fired. Why does he seem to be a popular alternative? Myself, I think it is telling he hasn't gotten a second chance after Edmonton. I wonder why that is the case.
- gkmkiller


I like him over those other guys because he knows winning cups.

None of the other guys have
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 7:23 PM ET
Which also begs the question... why did it take so long for Michel Terrien to get a job after getting fired from PIT?
- aecliptic

Well, he had already had two jobs prior to that. I'm not dismissing MacTavish necessarily but why has his name been mentioned so often around here?

I'm all for bringing in a guy that was a former NHL head coach but one that wasn't recently fired. I like candidates that have gone back to assistant coaching with another organization, learned and now has fresh batteries.

I prefer guys with experience in multiple organizations as assistants and/or head coaches. That seems to give guys a more well-rounded approach (or at least I think it does). I also like coaches that have worked in solid programs for winning head coaches.

Here's a preliminary list of guys that fit that criteria aside from MacTavish.

Davis Payne - Currently an assistant head coach for LA. Spent 1 1/2 seasons as a head coach in St. Louis but when the club got off to a tough start last year he was replaced by Hitchcock. He's only spent this season in LA so he may not fit my criteria perfectly. He does have extensive head coaching experience in the minors.

Brad Shaw - Associate head coach with the Blues, he was the interim head coach with the Islanders and also served as an assistant there. He also has experience in the AHL. I like the fact he is working in a successful program in St. Louis but has experience in multiple organizations.

Tony Granato - Assistant in Pittsburgh. Head guy with Colorado for two stints and had some success there. He's responsible for the PK and forwards with the Penguins and how can you not like the fact he's got that experience in Pitt.

Another guy I like is Dave Cameron. He's the assistant under Paul MacLean in Ottawa. Before that he was a GM and coach in the OHL with Mississauga. He also led Canada to a World Junior's silver medal a few years ago. Before that he was the head coach in Binghamton for three years.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 7:26 PM ET
I like him over those other guys because he knows winning cups.

None of the other guys have

- Slimtj100

But as a player. If that was the primary criteria to be a successful head coach then why did Gretzky struggle? Bryan Trottier sure didn't work out for the Rangers and that guy knew winning cups both from his playing days and as an assistant coach in Colorado I believe.
Blueshirts4ever
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.13.2007

Mar 31 @ 7:45 PM ET
Ok. Last night they had 17 SOG in the 1st period. Of those 17 I'd say 10 of them were high quality, most here would agree because we were commenting on it in real time. Pretty good for a so called offense less team. At the same time seemingly all 10 were shot straight into prices breadbasket. Now if we're at the point were torts has to " coach a sysyem" where these players are told how to pick corners to score we got serious issues. You learn in friggin dek hockey to pick corners to score. It sure as hell needs to be understood by fkin NHL players. Yet because they didn't score on any of them, it torts refusing to coach offense and it couldn't possibly be a lack of confidence by a group of underachieving players. And the opposing goalie never ever plays well . Not at all



It's just unbelievable to read these posts

- Slimtj100


It's making my head spin. They're pros. They don't need to be taught offense. I don't think when Albert Pujols is in a slump the staff teaches him how to hit again. I don't think the Pittsburgh staff is teaching Pittsburgh how to attack. If anything else you saw during the playoffs what a lack if solid play away from the puck does to a team as what happened to the Penguins. They had control if the puck for most of the first period and they didnt score bc of a lack of execution. It's like a football team that moves the ball between the 20's and can't get touchdowns.

I have respect for guys like Rick Carpinello and Andrew Gross and they have consistently said Torts hasn't lost the team. We are not in that locker room. We don't know what's going on.

As far as torts psych "games". When the team wasnt playing well a bunch of you wanted this one benches and that one benched. Now can't bench anyone bc now you ruin them. You can't have it both ways. So TJ, Glenn, I'm on your side. I'm frustrated and pissed but this reminds me so much of the Tom Coughlin situation.
Why So Serious
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 09.12.2008

Mar 31 @ 7:48 PM ET
does anyone want to start a petition to outlaw NMC's?
Blueshirts4ever
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.13.2007

Mar 31 @ 7:50 PM ET
does anyone want to start a petition to outlaw NMC's?
- Why So Serious

I want to outlaw iPhone autocorrect
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Mar 31 @ 7:53 PM ET
It's making my head spin. They're pros. They don't need to be taught offense. I don't think when Albert Pujols is in a slump the staff teaches him how to hit again. I don't think the Pittsburgh staff is teaching Pittsburgh how to attack. If anything else you saw during the playoffs what a lack if solid play away from the puck does to a team as what happened to the Penguins. They had control if the puck for most of the first period and they didnt score bc of a lack of execution. It's like a football team that moves the ball between the 20's and can't get touchdowns.

I have respect for guys like Rick Carpinello and Andrew Gross and they have consistently said Torts hasn't lost the team. We are not in that locker room. We don't know what's going on.

As far as torts psych "games". When the team wasnt playing well a bunch of you wanted this one benches and that one benched. Now can't bench anyone bc now you ruin them. You can't have it both ways. So TJ, Glenn, I'm on your side. I'm frustrated and pissed but this reminds me so much of the Tom Coughlin situation.

- Blueshirts4ever

Tom Coughlin changed. He was a hard nosed guy until players like Strahan, Tuck and others approached him saying that if he keept acting like a dictator the team would eventually tune him out. He chenged, end result was 2 super bowls in 5 years. Plus the Giants got clutch plays from depth players, something this team isn't. Besides it's apples and oranges. The power play alone should land Torts on the hot seat, Mike Sullivan should have been fired long ago.
Blueshirts4ever
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.13.2007

Mar 31 @ 8:00 PM ET
Tom Coughlin changed. He was a hard nosed guy until players like Strahan, Tuck and others approached him saying that if he keept acting like a dictator the team would eventually tune him out. He chenged, end result was 2 super bowls in 5 years. Plus the Giants got clutch plays from depth players, something this team isn't. Besides it's apples and oranges. The power play alone should land Torts on the hot seat, Mike Sullivan should have been fired long ago.
- tomburton99

So then right before the second run everyone wanted him fired too. If you listen to guys like Carpinello talk he isn't as in your face as the public thinks.

I think the Ranger brass is basing this on 34 games. Period. In a normal season we aren't talking about this. Some people in here are acting like this team is old and are chasing a cup. There is still a you g core here. A lot of that young core Torts has been a part of developing. I really don't think they want to react off of 34 games. They didnt replace what was lost adequately in the off season. If they make the right moves in the offseason they can bounce back.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 8:01 PM ET
It's making my head spin. They're pros. They don't need to be taught offense. I don't think when Albert Pujols is in a slump the staff teaches him how to hit again. I don't think the Pittsburgh staff is teaching Pittsburgh how to attack. If anything else you saw during the playoffs what a lack if solid play away from the puck does to a team as what happened to the Penguins. They had control if the puck for most of the first period and they didnt score bc of a lack of execution. It's like a football team that moves the ball between the 20's and can't get touchdowns.

I have respect for guys like Rick Carpinello and Andrew Gross and they have consistently said Torts hasn't lost the team. We are not in that locker room. We don't know what's going on.

As far as torts psych "games". When the team wasnt playing well a bunch of you wanted this one benches and that one benched. Now can't bench anyone bc now you ruin them. You can't have it both ways. So TJ, Glenn, I'm on your side. I'm frustrated and pissed but this reminds me so much of the Tom Coughlin situation.

- Blueshirts4ever


Completely agree.


Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 8:05 PM ET
But as a player. If that was the primary criteria to be a successful head coach then why did Gretzky struggle? Bryan Trottier sure didn't work out for the Rangers and that guy knew winning cups both from his playing days and as an assistant coach in Colorado I believe.
- gkmkiller


You got a point.

Boucher doesn't impress me. Neither does ruff. How bout Larry Robinson? I doubt he'd be intrested in rangers tho
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 8:06 PM ET
So then right before the second run everyone wanted him fired too. If you listen to guys like Carpinello talk he isn't as in your face as the public thinks.

I think the Ranger brass is basing this on 34 games. Period. In a normal season we aren't talking about this. Some people in here are acting like this team is old and are chasing a cup. There is still a you g core here. A lot of that young core Torts has been a part of developing. I really don't think they want to react off of 34 games. They didnt replace what was lost adequately in the off season. If they make the right moves in the offseason they can bounce back.

- Blueshirts4ever


Couldn't agree more
Blueshirts4ever
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.13.2007

Mar 31 @ 8:07 PM ET
You got a point.

Boucher doesn't impress me. Neither does ruff. How bout Larry Robinson? I doubt he'd be intrested in rangers tho

- Slimtj100

Former Devil coach. No luck with their players why would it be different with their coaches.
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