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RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Mar 31 @ 3:56 PM ET
Hi Jan, and a belated Happy Holiday to you & your like following and a Happy Easter today to everyone else, as I am trying to celebrate!
Please pay credit to whom credit is properly due to. I had that posting first of the Rangers stats being last in the NHL in goals scored, but 4th in goals against average; with Hank and Marty yielding only 76 goals against; plus the team another 8 empty net goals against. Your writing here is mostly in the exact repeated words of my 2:06am post 4 hours after the MTL. game ended. I won't reword that post here; but a little more offensive attack in their game would have given them at least 8-12 more points at this time, due to the number of low scoring 1 goal regulation losses and O.T./S.O. losses they have this season under Torts's system.
Teaching no offense will ultimately cost Torts & Sully (who he wanted) their jobs; as well as the mind games he puts on his players; or in your words late last night; that "the team is a beaten team pyschologically"; which to me proves that the players had lost him even earlier than now, where you ask here today if they have hit their low. I hope the core youth players don't get poisoned any longer with their development under this staff.
We should not make any major moves under this coaching staff; Gaborik included.
You can also count Detroit out as that place to get THE MOST for Gabby, because according to NHL.com late last night, their GM Ken Holland said that they will not be trading their 1st round pick; or be interested in acquiring any rental players.
No 25% roster turnover should be made until a new coaching staff is here to have a say in it; unless our deadweight is wanted that we don't need here any longer, to add to our salary cap space for next season. The asking prices are still too high on the various rumor sites and press media. Plus, we do not have extra chips to make the moves needed to get past the 1st playoff round if we were to make it anyway.
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 3:58 PM ET
Well then I guess I'm a quitter. Just like in 2009-10 they've dug themselves too big of a hole. Now they have 3 teams breathing down their neck.
- tomburton99

I guess I am the type of fan who feels like a member of the team. From that perspective what do the Rangers have to lose? They are already considered a vast disappointment and I don't think the fans are going to be any angrier or more disappointed if they miss the playoffs entirely given what I am reading around here. So screw it. Just keep getting at it until the team is officially eliminated. I'm not going to give up now when there is a chance. It's just not part of my being. I don't know how else to explain it.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Mar 31 @ 4:17 PM ET
Jan; you can't compare the Rangers style to St. Louis and say that because the Blues play a more open up style, that it is not working well there. If you have heard about the Blues struggles this year, they are due to inconsistent goaltending by both Elliot and Halak this year. Jake Allen (3 & 2 with 9 goals against) has been their best goalie this year while Halak was injured. He is not up with the Blues currently.
We have Hank and Marty here. Plus Torts said before the season began of either 2 or 3 years ago, that he had the best goalie in the world (and the best backup as well I believe he stated); and that he would play a more UPTEMPO game; because he knew his goaltending was there to make up for any defensive mistakes, like on odd man rushes. That plan was used only very TEMPOrarily!
So why doesn't he do so now with a Nash also here today? Because it has to be HIS way with what he DOESN"T HAVE to back him up under his system.
We would not swap both goalies with St. Louis's. So show some more OFFENSE here to at least see if it would work!
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Mar 31 @ 4:39 PM ET
Hi Jan, and a belated Happy Holiday to you & your like following and a Happy Easter today to everyone else, as I am trying to celebrate!
Please pay credit to whom credit is properly due to. I had that posting first of the Rangers stats being last in the NHL in goals scored, but 4th in goals against average; with Hank and Marty yielding only 76 goals against; plus the team another 8 empty net goals against. Your writing here is mostly in the exact repeated words of my 2:06am post 4 hours after the MTL. game ended. I won't reword that post here; but a little more offensive attack in their game would have given them at least 8-12 more points at this time, due to the number of low scoring 1 goal regulation losses and O.T./S.O. losses they have this season under Torts's system.
Teaching no offense will ultimately cost Torts & Sully (who he wanted) their jobs; as well as the mind games he puts on his players; or in your words late last night; that "the team is a beaten team pyschologically"; which to me proves that the players had lost him even earlier than now, where you ask here today if they have hit their low. I hope the core youth players don't get poisoned any longer with their development under this staff.
We should not make any major moves under this coaching staff; Gaborik included.
You can also count Detroit out as that place to get THE MOST for Gabby, because according to NHL.com late last night, their GM Ken Holland said that they will not be trading their 1st round pick; or be interested in acquiring any rental players.
No 25% roster turnover should be made until a new coaching staff is here to have a say in it; unless our deadweight is wanted that we don't need here any longer, to add to our salary cap space for next season. The asking prices are still too high on the various rumor sites and press media. Plus, we do not have extra chips to make the moves needed to get past the 1st playoff round if we were to make it anyway.

- RangerSaver

fixed, and noted a mea culpa in blog for mistake
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Mar 31 @ 4:42 PM ET
Jan; you can't compare the Rangers style to St. Louis and say that because the Blues play a more open up style, that it is not working well there. If you have heard about the Blues struggles this year, they are due to inconsistent goaltending by both Elliot and Halak this year. Jake Allen (3 & 2 with 9 goals against) has been their best goalie this year while Halak was injured. He is not up with the Blues currently.
We have Hank and Marty here. Plus Torts said before the season began of either 2 or 3 years ago, that he had the best goalie in the world (and the best backup as well I believe he stated); and that he would play a more UPTEMPO game; because he knew his goaltending was there to make up for any defensive mistakes, like on odd man rushes. That plan was used only very TEMPOrarily!
So why doesn't he do so now with a Nash also here today? Because it has to be HIS way with what he DOESN"T HAVE to back him up under his system.
We would not swap both goalies with St. Louis's. So show some more OFFENSE here to at least see if it would work!

- RangerSaver

Rangersaver - just comparing styles as they both have a defense first kind of style., As someone who has Halak in one league, then added Allen, only to see him go down, trust me, well aware of their struggles. Some of that can also be attributed to Shattenkirk getting off to a hot start, then regressing, as he has done the past several season and Pietrangelo not taking that next step.

I am one who has been advocating an uptempo style for a while, noting the disconnect in styles between the top and bottom six. If nothing changes, then a change a coach will occur.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 4:51 PM ET
Hi Jan, and a belated Happy Holiday to you & your like following and a Happy Easter today to everyone else!
Please pay credit to whom credit is properly due to. I had that posting first of the Rangers stats being last in the NHL in goals scored, but 4th in goals against average; with Hank and Marty yielding only 76 goals against; plus the team another 8 empty net goals. Your writing here is mostly in the exact repeated words of my 2:06am post 4 hours after the MTL. game ended. I won't reword that post here; but a little more offensive attack in their game would have given them at least 8-12 more points at this time, due to the number of low scoring 1 goal regulation losses and O.T./S.O. losses they have this season under Torts's system.
Teaching no offense will ultimately cost Torts & Sully (who he wanted) their jobs; as well as the mind games he puts on his players; or in your words late last night; that "the team is a beaten team pyschologically"; which to me proves that the players had lost him even earlier than now, where you ask here today if they have hit their low. I hope the core youth players don't get poisoned any longer with their development under this staff.
We should not make any major moves under this coaching staff; Gaborik included.
You can also count Detroit out as that place to get THE MOST for Gabby, because according to NHL.com late last night, their GM Ken Holland said that they will not be trading their 1st round pick; or be interested in acquiring any rental players.
No 25% roster turnover should be made until a new coaching staff is here to have a say in it; unless our deadweight is wanted that we don't need here any longer, to add to our salary cap space for next season. The asking prices are still too high on the various rumor sites and press media. Plus, we do not have extra chips to make the moves needed to get past the 1st playoff round if we were to make it anyway.

- RangerSaver


Ok. Last night they had 17 SOG in the 1st period. Of those 17 I'd say 10 of them were high quality, most here would agree because we were commenting on it in real time. Pretty good for a so called offense less team. At the same time seemingly all 10 were shot straight into prices breadbasket. Now if we're at the point were torts has to " coach a sysyem" where these players are told how to pick corners to score we got serious issues. You learn in friggin dek hockey to pick corners to score. It sure as hell needs to be understood by fkin NHL players. Yet because they didn't score on any of them, it torts refusing to coach offense and it couldn't possibly be a lack of confidence by a group of underachieving players. And the opposing goalie never ever plays well . Not at all



It's just unbelievable to read these posts
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 4:52 PM ET
The most pathetic stat from last night is Zuccarello led the team with 6 hits. How can you be a dump and chase team and not be hitting people all over the ice. Blows my mind.
- TPC

why is that a pathetic stat? it says zucc led the team with 6 hits...means a bunch of players could (and did) have 4-5 hits a piece.

also...what happened to fast?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Mar 31 @ 5:15 PM ET
Ok. Last night they had 17 SOG in the 1st period. Of those 17 I'd say 10 of them were high quality, most here would agree because we were commenting on it in real time. Pretty good for a so called offense less team. At the same time seemingly all 10 were shot straight into prices breadbasket. Now if we're at the point were torts has to " coach a sysyem" where these players are told how to pick corners to score we got serious issues. You learn in friggin dek hockey to pick corners to score. It sure as hell needs to be understood by fkin NHL players. Yet because they didn't score on any of them, it torts refusing to coach offense and it couldn't possibly be a lack of confidence by a group of underachieving players. And the opposing goalie never ever plays well . Not at all



It's just unbelievable to read these posts

- Slimtj100

I'm tired of that. So frustrating that every goalie the Rangers face seem to have the game of their lives. It really is incredible.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 5:16 PM ET
I'm tired of that. So frustrating that every goalie the Rangers face seem to have the game of their lives. It really is incredible.
- tomburton99


Yea but more frustrating is that it's torts fault
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Mar 31 @ 5:18 PM ET
Ok. Last night they had 17 SOG in the 1st period. Of those 17 I'd say 10 of them were high quality, most here would agree because we were commenting on it in real time. Pretty good for a so called offense less team. At the same time seemingly all 10 were shot straight into prices breadbasket. Now if we're at the point were torts has to " coach a sysyem" where these players are told how to pick corners to score we got serious issues. You learn in friggin dek hockey to pick corners to score. It sure as hell needs to be understood by fkin NHL players. Yet because they didn't score on any of them, it torts refusing to coach offense and it couldn't possibly be a lack of confidence by a group of underachieving players. Not at all


It's just unbelievable to read these posts

- Slimtj100


If you read all my posts yesterday, I acknowledged in one of them that they were playing a more UPTEMPO style of offensive game against MTL.; especially since they fell from behind after the first 47 seconds of the game. With what Torts's assets are, those players that fit that mold have to be used for that purpose only. Or else it defeated the purpose of getting Nash in the first place; but I would make that trade again everytime; based on where we fell short and had gotten worn down in the 3rd round last year. Let's see the offense in more than just 1/2 of the 5 goal victory over Philly; and the effort last night in which we had bad luck with the bounces of the puck; especially J.T. Miller twice.
For that reason, (although we miss Dube & Artie); it was not the Nash trade why our results are poor. We had to make that move, and he has produced. It was losing Prust and Fedetenko, who Boyle has missed playing with, as well as John Mitchell; who all made the Rangers tough to play against last year.
I'm out for a bit now for Easter dinner. I think I have the Rangers off my mind again now to get back with the family.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Mar 31 @ 5:19 PM ET
Yea but more frustrating is that it's torts fault
- Slimtj100

Torts has nothing to do with that. Just a run of terrible luck.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 5:20 PM ET
Torts has nothing to do with that. Just a run of terrible luck.
- tomburton99

everything thats been going wrong this season was going right last season. i can't help but think that eventually the rangers luck has to turn...right? RIGHT?!?!?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Mar 31 @ 5:24 PM ET
everything thats been going wrong this season was going right last season. i can't help but think that eventually the rangers luck has to turn...right? RIGHT?!?!?
- rangerdanger94

I honestly don't think so, but I've been wrong many times before. Just seems that every backup, emergency starter and ahl call up stand on their heads vs. the Rangers. I've never seen anything like it.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 5:25 PM ET
I honestly don't think so, but I've been wrong many times before. Just seems that every backup, emergency starter and ahl call up stand on their heads vs. the Rangers. I've never seen anything like it.
- tomburton99

maybe it has something to do with playing in MSG or against lundqvist that brings out their best.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Mar 31 @ 5:27 PM ET
I honestly don't think so, but I've been wrong many times before. Just seems that every backup, emergency starter and ahl call up stand on their heads vs. the Rangers. I've never seen anything like it.
- tomburton99

Yea I hear ya...also feel a lot of that has to do with the Rangers offense. Most of their great scoring chances are shot high or wide. And how many times do they shoot right into the chest of most goalies? Not much traffic or players there for rebounds either. Add that all up, goalies will own you.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Mar 31 @ 5:43 PM ET
Worst sports injury I have ever seen in the Louisville-Duke Game.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Mar 31 @ 5:47 PM ET
Worst sports injury I have ever seen in the Louisville-Duke Game.
- Pete V

Yea dude I am speechless....I never want to see that replay ever again
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 5:47 PM ET
Worst sports injury I have ever seen in the Louisville-Duke Game.
- Pete V

brutal
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 5:51 PM ET
If you read all my posts yesterday, I acknowledged in one of them that they were playing a more UPTEMPO style of offensive game against MTL.; especially since they fell from behind after the first 47 seconds of the game. With what Torts's assets are, those players that fit that mold have to be used for that purpose only. Or else it defeated the purpose of getting Nash in the first place; but I would make that trade again everytime; based on where we fell short and had gotten worn down in the 3rd round last year. Let's see the offense in more than just 1/2 of the 5 goal victory over Philly; and the effort last night in which we had bad luck with the bounces of the puck; especially J.T. Miller twice.
For that reason, (although we miss Dube & Artie); it was not the Nash trade why our results are poor. We had to make that move, and he has produced. It was losing Prust and Fedetenko, who Boyle has missed playing with, as well as John Mitchell; who all made the Rangers tough to play against last year.
I'm out for a bit now for Easter dinner. I think I have the Rangers off my mind again now to get back with the family.

- RangerSaver


Yay for you! 1 post of a 1,000. Once awhile it's not coaches fault
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 5:53 PM ET
Worst sports injury I have ever seen in the Louisville-Duke Game.
- Pete V


I saw the fans and team/coaches reactions after it. I haven't seen the actual injury, but based on the tears flowing I think I'd rather not

Poor kid
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 5:57 PM ET
I saw the fans and team/coaches reactions after it. I haven't seen the actual injury, but based on the tears flowing I think I'd rather not

Poor kid

- Slimtj100

it looked like a bunch of the louisville bench players vomited tbh.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 5:58 PM ET
it looked like a bunch of the louisville bench players vomited tbh.
- rangerdanger94


Was it leg, knee , both?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Mar 31 @ 5:59 PM ET
Was it leg, knee , both?
- Slimtj100

leg snapped straight in half. looked like a good 6 inches of broken bone sticking out.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Mar 31 @ 6:02 PM ET
leg snapped straight in half. looked like a good 6 inches of broken bone sticking out.
- rangerdanger94


Oh god
gkmkiller
New York Rangers
Location: Oceanside, CA
Joined: 06.07.2009

Mar 31 @ 6:03 PM ET
Was it leg, knee , both?
- Slimtj100

Broken leg. Saw a rough you tube vid and it looked like it broke in multiple places. Or it could be that it flopped around so much that it just looked that way. Terrible, terrible injury and 100% accidental. Did it coming back down to court after jumping to block a shot.
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