Him not score, him no fight, him useless.
I hope you're right. Injured on not, I'd prefer to see Manning up over Huskins and/or Foster.
- jmatchett383

i hear ya, but i guess i see the logic. if he's hurt/ not up to speed you may think it can only do him harm to throw such a challenge at him

My writing is distinct because I work 12 hour shifts overnight on weekends with about 5 hours since Friday so I can barely see straight by sunday. And when Spelling is off I'm not going back to correct it. I didn't take your comment as directed at me was just throwing a comment out there.
- SMS4016

I really wasn't trying to poke fun. Some people write in a style which distinguishes them from others. Just like people having different finger prints. Funny thing the two or three clowns doing it have no idea how bad they stick out. One genius even tipped his hand so bad he mentioned something discussed in a pm between us and not on the board, Doh.

As Frank Drebbin would say, nothing to see here move along

What's that mean? You disagree?
- SMS4016

If we could move Read+Talbot+Coots for a #1dman, you'd better do it. I love all 3 of them, but if that's the package it takes to get a real #1, it's hard to overlook it. However, I doubt Montreal wants to move Subban, since they have him for 1 more year AND he's still an RFA after that.
Now, if you have to do those 3 and some picks/parts for Pietrangelo or Nashville is willing to revisit Weber (let me dream), then absolutely.
We just need to somehow get Cloutier to become GM of Nashville so that we can "help" the Preds by taking Weber off their hands for some spare parts.
- jmatchett383

And by doing that you've now opened up a massive hole at forward. No thank you.

And by doing that you've now opened up a massive hole at forward. No thank you.
- ob18

That basically calls for a rebuild to the pk

- hereticpride

He's always making that face tho.

And by doing that you've now opened up a massive hole at forward. No thank you.
- ob18

what's on the chl playoff slate today?

That basically calls for a rebuild to the pk
- JoeRussomanno

And no need for it, look we know they need a #1 dman but that cost is so high you pretty much have to blow up your team to a point or offer prospects which we really don't have or even add in picks which we can't afford to do because we lack any decent depth in our system.

This is at a point that we'll just have to suck it up for a bit while the add prospects, develop them, & then work them into the NHL

- hereticpride

Okay???

"...and Andrej Meszaros (torn left rotator cuff)."

When the eff did that happen?!

Cobhorn AND Mez out? Jeebus.

And by doing that you've now opened up a massive hole at forward. No thank you.
- ob18

WoulDnt say massive hole created big whole yes but would solve big problem also.

And by doing that you've now opened up a massive hole at forward. No thank you.
- ob18

I was thinking that. But if you're able to land a #1 dman, you hope that he, along with some combo of Cousins/McGinn/Noebels/Laughton/etc. can come up and at least offset what you lose.

But yes, the lack of true depth in the AHL/junior ranks means that any trade to shore up one position creates a hole at another. But, as we've seen, it's easier to replace forwards than defensemen.

I agree. I don't think hes a fit in the bottom 6 but I'd like lava to get a better look and leave him in for a few games.
- Just5

Why do you guys see McGinn not having a place on the bottom 6?
Does he have good enough finishing skills to be a top six player?

I actually am starting to place Read higher than Couturier. He's dripping with hockey sense and he can finish...I am sure Couts will develop. But if Read was 22 He'd be 2nd to Giroux and Voracek on my untouchable lists.
- Jsaquella

The fact that Coots is only 20 to Reads 26 keeps him on top of my list

Why do you guys see McGinn not having a place on the bottom 6?
Does he have good enough finishing skills to be a top six player?
- Marc D

i'm kind of with you... i'd like to see him slotted in that 3rd line lw spot next year

Why do you guys see McGinn not having a place on the bottom 6?
Does he have good enough finishing skills to be a top six player?
- Marc D

I think a bottom 6 is perfect for him. He could be a Talbot-type player. Throw him out for 15-18 minutes a game, let him hustle, throw a few hits, be responsible defensively, and chip in a few goals along the way.

The fact that Coots is only 20 to Reads 26 keeps him on top of my list
- BiggE

nothing against read, but i also look at it this way

I was thinking that. But if you're able to land a #1 dman, you hope that he, along with some combo of Cousins/McGinn/Noebels/Laughton/etc. can come up and at least offset what you lose.

But yes, the lack of true depth in the AHL/junior ranks means that any trade to shore up one position creates a hole at another. But, as we've seen, it's easier to replace forwards than defensemen.
- jmatchett383

Agree 100%

WoulDnt say massive hole created big whole yes but would solve big problem also.
- SMS4016

And opens another problem, this is and has already been a long time Flyers problem.

At some point they need to realize it's not working & try something else, like keeping picks, drafting well, adding prospects to develop, & stop overpaying in trades or in free agency.

You value a 3rd/4th line agitator over a 1st liner who is also a very good two way player & top PK guy and you call Holmgren a dumbass?
- Jsaquella

And opens another problem, this is and has already been a long time Flyers problem.

At some point they need to realize it's not working & try something else, like keeping picks, drafting well, adding prospects to develop, & stop overpaying in trades or in free agency.
- ob18

As long as the player is a young, proven #1 defenseman (Pietrangelo for instance) I'd trade picks. Unlikely that anyone the Flyers draft will turn out like him. Plus, picks can be a bust. One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. I'm not saying throw picks and prospects around like the Oates/Gratton deals. But this team's biggest weakness, by a long shot, is at defense. So if there's a guy who's already a proven #1 defenseman (Pietrangelo, Weber, etc, NOT Subban) then I have no problem with trading picks/prospects.

Edit: I'm basically agreeing with you, except in specific cases. If there is a player who has a proven track record that can fill your largest organizational need for years to come, then I think you have to be open to all possibilities. That is the only case. Otherwise, yes, keep the picks, and hope that your scouting department can do a good job.

You would make Ripped Fuel proud.

You are the fairest trolls of all the trolls.
- KGBflyers10

As long as the player is a young, proven #1 defenseman (Pietrangelo for instance) I'd trade picks. Unlikely that anyone the Flyers draft will turn out like him. Plus, picks can be a bust. One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. I'm not saying throw picks and prospects around like the Oates/Gratton deals. But this team's biggest weakness, by a long shot, is at defense. So if there's a guy who's already a proven #1 defenseman (Pietrangelo, Weber, etc, NOT Subban) then I have no problem with trading picks/prospects.
- jmatchett383

Many would I wouldn't.

Tim has a nice summary of an interview with Snider.

I like a lot of the comments, and they make me feel a bit better about the whole situation.

Really like the approach they are taking, and using it as an evaluation year. Ive been beating that drum since day one of the cluster(frank) season.

A lot of looking at the big picture, and realising they are where they are for a reason. The Flyers will be back, and I have faith.

From Bill's blog

The reality of the 2013 Flyers is that, apart from the run of injuries the team suffered in January and March, that the roster pieces simply don't fit together. Re-evaluation is order up and down the roster, behind the bench and in front office decision-making and/or close advisory roles. Re-evaluation doesn't mean blowing everything up, but it does mean there should be no automatic "sacred cows."

Some very tough decisions need to be made, and the team's most glaring long-term need (restructuring the top end of the blueline) is one that is especially hard to accomplish. The wrong decisions could further set back the franchise for years to come.

This is the crucial point, that Bill makes so eloquently.

Looking at the forward group, other then the obvious that Briere on wing doesn't fit, they don't look too bad. Could use more grit, guys that win puck battles, and maybe replace the 4th line center with someone that can reliably win face offs (neither Max nor Feds are great there). But the forward core is not that out of whack really.

Looking at the D, that's where the roster pieces don't work together, IMO.
Counting on Coburn to play #1 minutes and be the puck mover on a top pair didn't pan out. Add to that the injuries and counting on your 7-8 guys to play regular minutes with a pinch first/hunt the puck all the time system led to a disaster of a season.

Management can see this, but whether they can fix it properly is another issue.
Should be an interesting summer.