I think they brought him up thinking he was ready...fans thought he was ready for sure his moron agent thought he was ready...then he played..he's not ready!!!
Practice with the big boys and have him there ready for injury or when someone gets traded....he's not ready though and the last thing the leafs needed was to start losing and head for the 9th or 10th. IMHO
- Garnie

Solid points, you're right, it was clear he wasn't ready. But was he producing and playing so well on the Marlies that he warranted a trip to the big leagues (not inferring something here, just have no idea)?

as much as i hate to say it, go boston, i want to face those midgets in the first round
- matt1337

We are gunning for that Division championship.

Reasonable concern. I don't like the way the Leafs are handling Gardiner right now. If you're going to bring him up, let him play and learn from his mistakes, rather than destroying his confidence by bringing him up and demoting him every other weak. Just my opinion though. Otherwise leave him be and let his find his game in a stable environment.
- celata29

FREE JAKE!

yea exactly but fraser is really our only defensive dman and him and franson have played great together so you cant separate them. Even when rielly comes into the league he won't have a defensive dman to play with. thats def something the leafs should be looking to do come the offseason.

side note: guy i want from buffalo is foligno, but doubt they will trade him. would love to have that kid. i think he plays carlyle style hockey
- matt1337

Great player, probably untouchable, or as close as it gets to it, regardless of whether they are having a fire-sale.

I think they brought him up thinking he was ready...fans thought he was ready for sure his moron agent thought he was ready...then he played..he's not ready!!!
Practice with the big boys and have him there ready for injury or when someone gets traded....he's not ready though and the last thing the leafs needed was to start losing and head for the 9th or 10th. IMHO
- Garnie

Hes fine, he had 3 good games before he had those 2 bad ones. Hes jumped into the season mid playoff push. Now stop.

FREE JAKE!
- GCHonda

You think they should just role with him for the rest of the season?

Great player, probably untouchable, or as close as it gets to it, regardless of whether they are having a fire-sale.
- celata29

yea i know. he would be extremely useful in the playoffs if we had him though

then what happens with franson? he's played good with fraser i don't think they want to mess that up
- matt1337

i hear ya, but hes played well enough to play more minutes. honestly id try him with phaneuf and play liles with gunnar to see how it goes for one game, but it could be too much O not enough D on the top pair.

You think they should just role with him for the rest of the season?
- celata29

i think they should. let him gain experience and develop that side of his game in real game situations. im guessing he will play on thursday though

i hear ya, but hes played well enough to play more minutes. honestly id try him with phaneuf and play liles with gunnar to see how it goes for one game, but it could be too much O not enough D on the top pair.
- MetroidPrime

yea i know what you mean. franson did play some with phaneuf before on 5 on 5 so we know it can be done. liles and gunnar would also be a decent pairing. then gardiner paired with fraser you won't notice his mistakes as much and he might not be afraid to rub some guys out since fraser will have his back not liles

yea i know. he would be extremely useful in the playoffs if we had him though
- matt1337

Haven't secured the spot yet chief. Don't count your eggs before they hatch, because I've done that one to many times as a Boston sports fan.

You think they should just role with him for the rest of the season?
- celata29

I would alternate sitting him with Koztka taking turns sitting out for the rest of the season is what I would do. Otherwise If the Leafs are going to continue to bench Jake, than they may aswell send him back to the Marlies. I just hope Jake & his agent don't get so pissed off that they say they want out of TO.

I would alternate sitting him with Koztka taking turns sitting out for the rest of the season is what I would do. Otherwise If the Leafs are going to continue to bench Jake, than they may aswell send him back to the Marlies. I just hope Jake & his agent don't get so pissed off that they say they want out of TO.
- GCHonda

Cant send him back, hes here to stay. Carlye is showing him the ropes, people need to stop looking into it.

I would alternate sitting him with Koztka taking turns sitting out for the rest of the season is what I would do. Otherwise If the Leafs are going to continue to bench Jake, than they may aswell send him back to the Marlies. I just hope Jake & his agent don't get so pissed off that they say they want out of TO.
- GCHonda

Why would you sit Kostka at this point? Since he has returned to the lineup, he has played very well.

I would alternate sitting him with Koztka taking turns sitting out for the rest of the season is what I would do. Otherwise If the Leafs are going to continue to bench Jake, than they may aswell send him back to the Marlies. I just hope Jake & his agent don't get so pissed off that they say they want out of TO.
- GCHonda

Definitely a real concern. I wouldn't alternate, I think that just screws with a kid. I would pick one and role with them at least for a few games so they can gain some confidence and not fear being sent down or to the press box every mistake they make

Haven't secured the spot yet chief. Don't count your eggs before they hatch, because I've done that one to many times as a Boston sports fan.
- celata29

that's true theres still time for things to turn around but im being optimistic

Hes fine, he had 3 good games before he had those 2 bad ones. Hes jumped into the season mid playoff push. Now stop.
- Leafland

now stop what? My opinion?

I like the guy and would keep him..but don't blame RC one bit for sitting him.
He's all offence and a defensive liability...needs to learn to stick check like Karllson in Ottawa...there about the same size I would believe or strength or however you want to word it.

Solid points, you're right, it was clear he wasn't ready. But was he producing and playing so well on the Marlies that he warranted a trip to the big leagues (not inferring something here, just have no idea)?
- celata29

The developmental League? I'd trade him today. He got the call hoping he'd play well enough that someone would bite, now they have to lessen the damage.

The developmental League? I'd trade him today. He got the call hoping he'd play well enough that someone would bite, now they have to lessen the damage.
- honesthockey

I don't think I would trade him...

The developmental League? I'd trade him today. He got the call hoping he'd play well enough that someone would bite, now they have to lessen the damage.
- honesthockey

Your a hab fan that's why..trade him straight up for Subban?

I don't follow...
- celata29

Yeah sorry man I see the AHL as a joke and a holding place until there's room on the big club. Then you start the NHL development.

Your a hab fan that's why..trade him straight up for Subban?
- Garnie

Jesus then I'd really puke. Hate that dirty (frank)er. Slew foot anyone? Coward play of hockey.

Yeah sorry man I see the AHL as a joke and a holding place until there's room on the big club. Then you start the NHL development.
- honesthockey

so trade him before he gets his NHL development thats a smart idea. last year he got to play in the run and gun style of wilson, this year the systems changed and he was injured during the training camp so he wasn't able to really learn the system. why give up on a kid so early? were you saying the same thing about kadri too?

Jesus then I'd really puke. Hate that dirty (frank)er. Slew foot anyone? Coward play of hockey.
- honesthockey

I think he's starting to mature, but know what you mean!!

I think he's starting to mature but know what you mean!!
- Garnie

Good to see the Flyers back on the winning track...