pffffft, gagner is nothing more than that 8 point game he had last year. thats it. Get rid of that plug.
- ruttager17

Where is that prick spelled with an 'o'?

(frank)ing Ryan Jones Anyone have any ideas on who we ought to sign this offseason?

- abware

I beat my d!ck like it owed me money to that picture

- abware

??????

RNHo
Gagner
Horcoff
Belanger

Lander(career AHLer)
Arcobello(career AHLer)
Green(career AHLer)
Vandevelde(career AHLer)

Where are these 8 centres you're talking about? Farm team centres? Everyone has those
- TheNugeIsHuge

Balanger
Eberle
Gagner
Nugent-hopkins
Horcoff
Petrell
Lander

Trade off Gagner and get lander up.

Balanger
Eberle
Gagner
Nugent-hopkins
Horcoff
Petrall
Lander
- sykojoe

Eberle only played C in junior and Petrell has yet to play C for any extended period in the NHL.

Eberle only played C in junior and Petrell has yet to play C for any extended period in the NHL.
- MaximumBone

He asked... I answered. They are listed as centers. You made my point though. A center can play wing. Its not like I'm saying gagner should come play defense.

Balanger(5C)
Eberle(RW)
Gagner(2C)
Nugent-hopkins(1C)
Horcoff(3C)
Petrell(4C)
Lander(AHL C)

Trade off Gagner and get lander up.
- sykojoe

I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally hope you realize the whole that EDM would have without Gags. If you watched any of the games when Nuge was out, you'd know

Alright. I'm not gonna sit here and debate Lander's potential with you (cause it's obviously infinite), but seriously? Calling him a career AHLer at this point in his career? God that's stupid as Hall!
- MaximumBone

Come on. He's 22 and he's got 13P in 44GP in OKC. He may peak as a 4C

He asked... I answered. They are listed as centers. You made my point though. A center can play wing. Its not like I'm saying gagner should come play defense.
- sykojoe

The point is that they are not actually centers on the team tho'

And where are they listed as centers? I see on the NHL site they are appropriately listed as wingers.

Come on. He's 22 and he's got 13P in 44GP in OKC. He may peak as a 4C
- TheNugeIsHuge

Ummm...offense was never his selling point.

Plus being 22 works against your view, not for it. He is young and still learning the NA game. It has taken MPS about 3.5 years to get to the development level he is at, and he has a year more on NA ice than Lander.

Don't get me wrong, I do not see 1C in his future, don't think he is a 2C either, but the book has not closed on him yet.

The point is that they are not actually centers on the team tho'

And where are they listed as centers? I see on the NHL site they are appropriately listed as wingers.
- OilHorse

ESPN. Besides I was just told that they played center at some point. But it doesn't even matter anyways. And its not like I honestly expect oilers to trade gagner. But if you did its not like I care if they burn out after. I'm looking for my team to continue being cup contenders. No offense...

Ummm...offense was never his selling point.

Plus being 22 works against your view, not for it. He is young and still learning the NA game. It has taken MPS about 3.5 years to get to the development level he is at, and he has a year more on NA ice than Lander.

Don't get me wrong, I do not see 1C in his future, don't think he is a 2C either, but the book has not closed on him yet.
- OilHorse

if he was 20, I'd understand. First year in the AHL, bound to struggle adjusting.

You're not gonna make it to the NHL if you can't produce at all, especially in the AHL.

It's very unlikely he turns out the way most oiler fans hope.

ESPN. Besides I was just told that they played center at some point. But it doesn't even matter anyways. And its not like I honestly expect oilers to trade gagner. But if you did its not like I care if they burn out after. I'm looking for my team to continue being cup contenders. No offense...
- sykojoe

not offensive. just misinformed

ESPN. Besides I was just told that they played center at some point. But it doesn't even matter anyways. And its not like I honestly expect oilers to trade gagner. But if you did its not like I care if they burn out after. I'm looking for my team to continue being cup contenders. No offense...
- sykojoe

ESPN is the last place I'd go for accurate hockey information. TSN is a better bet, but NHL.com is likely your best bet for an up to date source.

if he was 20, I'd understand. First year in the AHL, bound to struggle adjusting.

You're not gonna make it to the NHL if you can't produce at all, especially in the AHL.

It's very unlikely he turns out the way most oiler fans hope.
- TheNugeIsHuge

3rd or 4th line C is all I ever expected of him. Besides, this is technically his first season in the AHL I know, right? Think about it, though. He was rushed into the NHL to play against players FAR above who he should've been playing at the time on a new ice surface in a foreign country. I don't know about you, but that would likely decimate any confidence I might have had at the time. Give him another two or three years and then we'll have a FAR clearer image of his future. Counting him out now is foolish, in my opinion, but to each his own!

Nashville loses 1-0 in OT to Colorado... I'll say it again...

Hemsky to Nashville for Ekholm and 1st.

Nashville loses 1-0 in OT to Colorado... I'll say it again...

Hemsky to Nashville for Ekholm and 1st.
- Iggysbff

Ohhh, you've done it now

Nashville loses 1-0 in OT to Colorado... I'll say it again...

Hemsky to Nashville for Ekholm and 1st.
- Iggysbff

I'll say it again. Hemsky won't get you either NASH's 1st or Ekholm

I'll say it again. Hemsky won't get you either NASH's 1st or Ekholm
- TheNugeIsHuge

You either A.) undervalue Hemsky or B.) overvalue prospects and mid 1st round picks. For a team that needs offense, making a deal like Hemsky and a mid level D prospect (perhaps Gernat or Musil) or a 2nd for Ekholm and a possible salary dump like Gaustad (because he's seriously their only bad contract) might make sense both for team needs and value-wise. That being said, I don't really know how Gaustad has played this season. To address the point, while Hemsky isn't worth both assets, he could definitely be worth one of the two in the right deal.

You either A.) undervalue Hemsky or B.) overvalue prospects and mid 1st round picks. For a team that needs offense, making a deal like Hemsky and a mid level D prospect (perhaps Gernat or Musil) or a 2nd for Ekholm and a possible salary dump like Gaustad (because he's seriously their only bad contract) might make sense both for team needs and value-wise. That being said, I don't really know how Gaustad has played this season. To address the point, while Hemsky isn't worth both assets, he could definitely be worth one of the two in the right deal.
- MaximumBone

Nash. likely won't make the playoffs, so a top 14 pick in a deep draft is very valuable. Yes, i do overvalue prospects, but Ekholm is an extremely good prospect who is right around klefbom level.

Now tell me. If you were Poile, would you deal your top 14 first round pick in a deep draft, and a top D prospect for a nearly 30 year old skilled winger with a high price tag and consistency issues? I wouldn't

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- Reveen

Nash. likely won't make the playoffs, so a top 14 pick in a deep draft is very valuable. Yes, i do overvalue prospects, but Ekholm is an extremely good prospect who is right around klefbom level.

Now tell me. If you were Poile, would you deal your top 14 first round pick in a deep draft, and a top D prospect for a nearly 30 year old skilled winger with a high price tag and consistency issues? I wouldn't
- TheNugeIsHuge

or c) you just simply despise hemsky

Nash. likely won't make the playoffs, so a top 14 pick in a deep draft is very valuable. Yes, i do overvalue prospects, but Ekholm is an extremely good prospect who is right around klefbom level.

Now tell me. If you were Poile, would you deal your top 14 first round pick in a deep draft, and a top D prospect for a nearly 30 year old skilled winger with a high price tag and consistency issues? I wouldn't
- TheNugeIsHuge

Dude, Dont know where you get your info from but I have never seen a single report of him being in even the same discussion as Klefbom.

http://www.hockeysfuture....prospects/mattias_ekholm/

7. No. 3-4 Defenseman – players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender's position for long stretches.

Defense: Filip Kuba, Christian Ehrhoff, Henrik Tallinder


http://www.hockeysfuture..../prospects/oscar_klefbom/

8. No. 2 Defenseman – players with definite skill that might be just a cut below elite status, but still possessing All-Star potential.

Defense: Dan Boyle, Duncan Keith, Kimmo Timonen

Nash. likely won't make the playoffs, so a top 14 pick in a deep draft is very valuable. Yes, i do overvalue prospects, but Ekholm is an extremely good prospect who is right around klefbom level.

Now tell me. If you were Poile, would you deal your top 14 first round pick in a deep draft, and a top D prospect for a nearly 30 year old skilled winger with a high price tag and consistency issues? I wouldn't
- TheNugeIsHuge

If you'd please read my reply again:

"To address the point, while Hemsky isn't worth both assets, he could definitely be worth one of the two in the right deal."

Now, while Ekholm is definitely a prospect of quality, he is not an "extremely good prospect". `Probably around Marincin's level considering their comparable stat lines on comparable teams. Their respective stat lines look like:

Marincin at age 21: 59GP 6G 17A 23P +/- 16 PIMs 40
Ekholm at 23: 48GP 6G 15A 21P +/- 6 PIMs 22

Considering one has played more games this season and has played in NA longer counteracts their age difference, wouldn't you say? Now, looking at their stats like that, wouldn't you also say they're fairly comparable prospects? I certainly would. Ask yourself: "Would a trade of Hemsky for Marincin be fair value?" Once again, I would say so. The only remaining factors to take into account are if each player suits each team's needs, and whether or not each team can afford the transaction. Considering that the Preds are a low-income team, they'd likely want to eliminate one of their (if not their only) bad contract(s). Paul Gaustad is a guy that I look at being a perfect fit on the third or fourth line for next season before we'd likely need to buy him out. Then add our likely high 2nd to the deal and I think the value balances out quite evenly.

I'll say it again, though. I have no idea how Gaustad has played this season and how much he's been factor because Preds games bore me to hell. As such, Gaustad's value to me may seem FAR lower that what it may to a Preds fan.