Retarded idea to trade what's going to be one if our top d away to help another position. Gardiner is a type of def player u don't trade away. Not many of his kind in the NHL
- ALeafsFan4Ever

Oh....

All the trade options don't look too appealing to me. Short of getting Ott or Clarkson (which won't likely happen) were not making many if any moves. There already done. What I would do is try to straighten out the defence. We have a surplus of #5/6 guys to sell for a premium above their actual worth.

D- men
1st pair
Phaneuf
2nd pair
Liles
Gardiner- (at some pointand even first pair)
3rd pair
Gunnarson
Kostka
Holtzer
Frazer
Franson (might be some more potential here)

Farm - with NHL Potential
Reilly
Blacker
Perry
Finn


The one other guy that never gets mentioned is Paul Ranger. He's cleaning up in the Marlies, played beside Gardiner for an extended period and was probably a first pair dman for Tampa in his first stint.

We need to ship out some of the 5/6 guys because the pipeline is too full- a very nice problem to have!

You are right in the o zone... but he is one of the worst defenders... and it seems like he hasn't learned his lesson... he might lose his job to Reilly next year... and if he does.. he can no longer clear waivers.. so at some point the Leafs might have to trade him.. if he doesn't learn to take his defensive game serious...

He has enough talent to be a great two way player.. but will he?
- DoctorNHL

#FreeGardiner(OrBestOffer)

You are right in the o zone... but he is one of the worst defenders... and it seems like he hasn't learned his lesson... he might lose his job to Reilly next year... and if he does.. he can no longer clear waivers.. so at some point the Leafs might have to trade him.. if he doesn't learn to take his defensive game serious...

He has enough talent to be a great two way player.. but will he?
- DoctorNHL

I rather have Gardiner in the lineup at the moment than Gunnarsson, he has been making mistake after mistake and is so slow out there..

All the trade options don't look too appealing to me. Short of getting Ott or Clarkson (which won't likely happen) were not making many if any moves. There already done. What I would do is try to straighten out the defence. We have a surplus of #5/6 guys to sell for a premium above their actual worth.

D- men
1st pair
Phaneuf
2nd pair
Liles
Gardiner- (at some point)
3rd pair
Gunnarson
Kostka
Holtzer
Frazer
Franson (might be some more potential here)

Farm - with NHL Potential
Reilly
Blacker
Perry
Finn


The one other guy that never gets mentioned is Paul Ranger. He's cleaning up in the Marlies, played beside Gardiner for an extended period and was probably a first pair dman for Tampa in his first stint.

We need to ship out some of the 5/6 guys because the pipeline is too full- a very nice problem to have!
- akermack

Liles is a second pairing defenseman? The guy benched in the pressbox half the year?

All the trade options don't look too appealing to me. Short of getting Ott or Clarkson (which won't likely happen) were not making many if any moves. There already done. What I would do is try to straighten out the defence. We have a surplus of #5/6 guys to sell for a premium above their actual worth.

D- men
1st pair
Phaneuf
2nd pair
Liles
Gardiner- (at some point)
3rd pair
Gunnarson
Kostka
Holtzer
Frazer
Franson (might be some more potential here)

Farm - with NHL Potential
Reilly
Blacker
Perry
Finn


The one other guy that never gets mentioned is Paul Ranger. He's cleaning up in the Marlies, played beside Gardiner for an extended period and was probably a first pair dman for Tampa in his first stint.

We need to ship out some of the 5/6 guys because the pipeline is too full- a very nice problem to have!
- akermack

Liles & Gardiner are behind Franson & Fraser on the depth chart.. one way Dmen... aren't Carlyle's favs...

The way things have gone for GM Mike Gillis with Luongo, and the way things are going for the goalie market, the Canucks’ return for Luongo might make the Flames’ return for Iginla look like the Lindros bounty for Quebec

I rather have Gardiner in the lineup at the moment than Gunnarsson, he has been making mistake after mistake and is so slow out there..
- LeafMan

Well the other day Gardiner was walked around the same way Gunnar was yesterday... and he almost cost us some more goals against Florida...

He hasn't learned to take his D game serious... altho we all love his offensive game... there needs to be a balance.. and someone solid has to babysit him.

Worst three "journalist" ever.
- Yeti1181

Cant read Cloutier, the guy is an idiot.

Liles & Gardiner are behind Franson & Fraser on the depth chart.. one way Dmen... aren't Carlyle's favs...
- DoctorNHL

Alright- I'll go there. That means we have 1 top pair dman and 7 bottom pair dmen. That was my message plus Freepaulranger!

Liles & Gardiner are behind Franson & Fraser on the depth chart.. one way Dmen... aren't Carlyle's favs...
- DoctorNHL

If u cant be solid in ya own end u wont play for Carlyle ..Gardiner better figure this out or he wont be part of this team going forward..

- Leafland

NHL GOAL OF THE YEAR!!!!! LUV U JOFFREY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Liles is a second pairing defenseman? The guy benched in the pressbox half the year?
- AdamFrench

You've attacked a detail but might have missed the entire message.

Well the other day Gardiner was walked around the same way Gunnar was yesterday... and he almost cost us some more goals against Florida...

He hasn't learned to take his D game serious... altho we all love his offensive game... there needs to be a balance.. and someone solid has to babysit him.
- DoctorNHL

His balance is that he has the chance to create a goal. Gunnar doesnt really have that balance.

You've attacked a detail but might have missed the entire message.
- akermack

It's a HB thing.

Alright- I'll go there. That means we have 1 top pair dman and 7 bottom pair dmen. That was my message plus Freepaulranger!
- akermack

Well I would say Fraser & Franson makes a good second pairing.. great plus minus on both also...

but the Leafs need someone to play with Phaneuf.. and one to babysit in the last pair...

That's what I hope the Leafs move for.. some solid D...

If u cant be solid in ya own end u wont play for Carlyle ..Gardiner better figure this out or he wont be part of this team going forward..
- Fruitcakenipple

Neither will Gunnarsson then, easy clearing attempt right at the opposition and bam, in the net.

Nessa's son...
- AdamFrench

I think it might be from another mother...

If u cant be solid in ya own end u wont play for Carlyle ..Gardiner better figure this out or he wont be part of this team going forward..
- Fruitcakenipple

Agreed... I sure hope he takes it serious... there is no point in helping score a goal if you are going to let two in the other direction.

It's a HB thing.
- AdamFrench

No offence taken- I recognize your name. Seen this before.

No offence taken- I recognize your name. Seen this before.
- akermack

Lu AINT comin to TO. That's just a bunch of stuff coming out of Van cause Gillis is desperate now. I've always hated Gillis. I'd LOVE to see egg on his face when
A) He is unable to trade to Lu on Apr 3 &
B) His Canucks don't go far in the playoffs.

Gilis is a baffoon. He's Milbury minus the horrible trades.

Any idea on Paul ranger next year?

Neither will Gunnarsson then, easy clearing attempt right at the opposition and bam, in the net.
- LeafMan

Ya that was brutal

3 months now, that son of a.....
- LeafMan

...what? still waiting.