could we though?

lets say we get the 5th overall. u think we could do better than myers? a trade for myers would be based mostly on potential and flashes of how good he could be. and this is because hes struggled for over a season now.

any dman thats actually playing at the level we're hoping for in return when we gave such a valuable package probably isnt available.
dudes in myers projected class are true superstars.

unless we're talking first overall seth jones, id prob pull the trigger regardless of pick. and lets also not forget that myers is still a kid.

imo, its worth the risk as its not like we have clearer indication that a draft pick is gonna be a superstar at any point. let alone right outta the gate
- hugefemale dog77

I think you do a trade contingent on whose on the board. If we pick fifth and barkov is there I say no to the trade IMO. If we are considering picking a dman like nurse, ya I probably make the trade. Sometimes change of scenery gets a players game going.

it came off as more of a diss than intended.
certainly not the joke of the league. you're about to make the playoffs. and better than the oilers currently.

it was just aimed at boozy the clown that trolls us. its funny cause the more he comes in here and spews unprovoked oiler nonsense, the more apparent his envy is
- hugefemale dog77

Yeah just don't judge all Leafs fans because of the stupid ones that troll!

If its a top 5 pick there is a chance it coulf be Jones. I get that you want someone proven now, but the cupboards are still fairly bare for the Oil. If we start trading first away already we'll be in trouble in a few years again. Just my opinion but I dont trade the first now. Possibly this summer depending on what all transpires.
- Iggysbff

Ya that's sort of my rationale. It'd be nice to have a stud developing while we are competing. I'm weary of trading firsts personally.

could we though?

lets say we get the 5th overall. u think we could do better than myers? a trade for myers would be based mostly on potential and flashes of how good he could be. and this is because hes struggled for over a season now.

any dman thats actually playing at the level we're hoping for in return when we gave such a valuable package probably isnt available.
dudes in myers projected class are true superstars.

unless we're talking first overall seth jones, id prob pull the trigger regardless of pick. and lets also not forget that myers is still a kid.

imo, its worth the risk as its not like we have clearer indication that a draft pick is gonna be a superstar at any point. let alone right outta the gate
- hugefemale dog77

Yeah good points - so, the fifth overall for Myers straight across...hard to say no with the way you've presented it.

What else IS available?

I guess it's the kind of risk we're talking about Tambo making.

EDIT: Is too much though with Paajarvi plus the 1st. I think so.

could we though?

lets say we get the 5th overall. u think we could do better than myers? a trade for myers would be based mostly on potential and flashes of how good he could be. and this is because hes struggled for over a season now.

any dman thats actually playing at the level we're hoping for in return when we gave such a valuable package probably isnt available.
dudes in myers projected class are true superstars.

unless we're talking first overall seth jones, id prob pull the trigger regardless of pick. and lets also not forget that myers is still a kid.

imo, its worth the risk as its not like we have clearer indication that a draft pick is gonna be a superstar at any point. let alone right outta the gate
- hugefemale dog77

the other side of it is, Myers never returns to form, 5.5M on the books. MPS is gone, a top 5 prospect is gone. Say Barkov, who's a 6'2C that has lit up the SM Liga, or Rasmus Risolainen finnish D man that lready plays 20+ minutes a night for TPS and will likely step in to the NHL next year.

Huge ???'s surrounding Myers. I wouldn't do it

the other side of it is, Myers never returns to form, 5.5M on the books. MPS is gone, a top 5 prospect is gone. Say Barkov, who's a 6'2C that has lit up the SM Liga, or Rasmus Risolainen finnish D man that lready plays 20+ minutes a night for TPS and will likely step in to the NHL next year.

Huge ???'s surrounding Myers. I wouldn't do it
- TheNugeIsHuge

The question marks around him are a bit exaggerated. His big issue is consistency. He has shown numberous times he can be dominant, he just loses focus way too easily. That contract was a huge mistake.

If its a top 5 pick there is a chance it coulf be Jones. I get that you want someone proven now, but the cupboards are still fairly bare for the Oil. If we start trading first away already we'll be in trouble in a few years again. Just my opinion but I dont trade the first now. Possibly this summer depending on what all transpires.
- Iggysbff

i understand, but i still think your missing my point. (most likely my fault due to my gash writing skills)

just bare with the conversation and assume we have a shot at myers (no one knows for sure one way or another)

it doesnt really matter about the bare cupboards. its not like we're getting some rental 36 year old to stop gap.
we'd be giving up on a draft pick kid thats never even played a minute in the show (jones, mackinnon whoever. and to the other poster who likes barkov-same goes) for a young player with a long term contract thats shown TRUE flashes of being a franchise defenceman.
its not like we know for sure the draft pick will be and we're completely rolling the dice.
whoever we draft is a gamble too. and in some of ways, even more of one.

why would we be in trouble in a few more years if we replaced a draft pick with a proven nhl'er?

im just missing the logic here

the other side of it is, Myers never returns to form, 5.5M on the books. MPS is gone, a top 5 prospect is gone. Say Barkov, who's a 6'2C that has lit up the SM Liga, or Rasmus Risolainen finnish D man that lready plays 20+ minutes a night for TPS and will likely step in to the NHL next year.

Huge ???'s surrounding Myers. I wouldn't do it
- TheNugeIsHuge

Well yes, I would like to hope there is something more proven if trading the 5/6 pick but Tambo may want to roll the dice on that.

If it is Barkov...yeah it's a really tough call.

Dominate in a few years? Wow 2 years ago you said they will win the cup next year. Joker. He'll want to sign with a playoff team that is also the 2nd youngest in the league. He can grow with the Leafs. Thanks for coming. Btw Lupul would be the Oilers best player Or Kadri or Kessel Stats don't lie.
- Allstarzz

God are you ever an annoying idiot. Just stay out from now on. I will react to every single one of your posts with brutal hostility.

God are you ever an annoying idiot. Just stay out from now on. I will react to every single one of your posts with brutal hostility.
- sanfordnson

Morris???

i understand, but i still think your missing my point. (most likely my fault due to my gash writing skills)

just bare with the conversation and assume we have a shot at myers (no one knows for sure one way or another)

it doesnt really matter about the bare cupboards. its not like we're getting some rental 36 year old to stop gap.
we'd be giving up on a draft pick kid thats never even played a minute in the show (jones, mackinnon whoever. and to the other poster who likes barkov-same goes) for a young player with a long term contract thats shown TRUE flashes of being a franchise defenceman.
its not like we know for sure the draft pick will be and we're completely rolling the dice.
whoever we draft is a gamble too. and in alot of ways, even more of one.

why would we be in trouble in a few more years if we replaced a draft pick with a proven nhl'er?

im just missing the logic here
- hugefemale dog77

You make good points and I don't disagree with anything you said I just think your approach to prospects is more glass half empty. To be fair it's warranted considering we've been losing for years.

The question marks around him are a bit exaggerated. His big issue is consistency. He has shown numberous times he can be dominant, he just loses focus way too easily. That contract was a huge mistake.
- sbroads24

Do you ever get the sense he's not INTO it? It does happen. He could be this enigma for the most of his career...

If it's just him losing focus every now and then but loves the game and has the will, there really is a 27 year old gem in there.

Cloutier you have about as much credibility as Eklund.And to take that crown you have to be way off the mark.What noon timezone would we be looking at for DeKeyser announcement??

the other side of it is, Myers never returns to form, 5.5M on the books. MPS is gone, a top 5 prospect is gone. Say Barkov, who's a 6'2C that has lit up the SM Liga, or Rasmus Risolainen finnish D man that lready plays 20+ minutes a night for TPS and will likely step in to the NHL next year.

Huge ???'s surrounding Myers. I wouldn't do it
- TheNugeIsHuge

its a gamble no doubt. and especially cause ur stuck with his contract if he doesnt.

agreed about the impressive numbers and skill sets of the kids u named. but think about it like this; u named some really impressive stats for 17/18 year olds in lesser leagues. by no means dominant and elite player in league numbers, but nonetheless very good. especially for their ages/

tyler myers has dominated for stretches in the nhl. we've seen it.

i exaggerate none when i say ive seen a better skating, younger version of chara from myers at the age of 20. albeit in small samples. and he did win the calder lets not forget.

and i think his struggles have been exaggerated abit too. we're not talking useless, non nhl material here. we're talking getting a lesson by being a healthy scratch cause his potential is so incredibly high and he wasnt playing the way he once did.

Cloutier you have about as much credibility as Eklund.And to take that crown you have to be way off the mark.What noon timezone would we be looking at for DeKeyser announcement??
- nellie04

Oh nellie, it's already happened - Dekeyser and the team he's signed with simply can't get a hold of Sweet Penis Cloutier right now so he can drop it like its hot.

Do you ever get the sense he's not INTO it? It does happen. He could be this enigma for the most of his career...

If it's just him losing focus every now and then but loves the game and has the will, there really is a 27 year old gem in there.
- Salvo

Let's just put it this way, and this is strictly opinion. You have a 19 year old kid who wins the Calder on a Sabres team that wins the division that year. He wasn't expected to be a shutdown guy. All of the sudden he was pushed into a role he couldn't handle at 20 years old. He was expected to be Pronger/Chara immediately following his rookie year. He had a sub-par sophmore year, then completely dominated in the Sabres/Flyers series that year. So instead of continuing to slowly groom him and let him run the PP and be the "offensive guy" they go and sign Ehrhoff and decrease his PP time. So now his numbers are down are people wonder why. Then he get's a 12 million dollar check, there's a lockout, he gets hurt overseas, and is out of shape when the season starts. It really wasn't suprising that his season is going the way it is

You make good points and I don't disagree with anything you said I just think your approach to prospects is more glass half empty. To be fair it's warranted considering we've been losing for years.
- ystoil

ill fully admit to this. it's a character flaw. im a glass is half empty fan too.
"we won 3-2, but our defensive coverage was still terrible and dubs bailed us out. we got lucky"
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another thing with the picks that im opposed to is the development period. especially in this stage of the rebuild. even if our pick turns out to be stud, it could take years. (prv and gagner)
year 3 compete for a playoff spot. which admittedly we're doing
year 4. we make it. and i dont see an 18 year old kid contributing a whole lot to this (yakupov for the most part now) and i also dont see us near a lock unless we make some moves for a true top 4 dman. dont bank on klefbom or dekeyser

i was fully on board with building through the draft in the first few years, but i now believe that portion of the rebuild should be complete. its time to fill holes with proven players.
of course you always want to have young talent developing, but its not like we can only do that if we have lottery picks.

Let's just put it this way, and this is strictly opinion. You have a 19 year old kid who wins the Calder on a Sabres team that wins the division that year. He wasn't expected to be a shutdown guy. All of the sudden he was pushed into a role he couldn't handle at 20 years old. He was expected to be Pronger/Chara immediately following his rookie year. He had a sub-par sophmore year, then completely dominated in the Sabres/Flyers series that year. So instead of continuing to slowly groom him and let him run the PP and be the "offensive guy" they go and sign Ehrhoff and decrease his PP time. So now his numbers are down are people wonder why. Then he get's a 12 million dollar check, there's a lockout, he gets hurt overseas, and is out of shape when the season starts. It really wasn't suprising that his season is going the way it is
- sbroads24

Nice breakdown and the way you put it here, why the hell would you or the Sabres want to get rid. Even if you're rebuilding, he's super young and could be a juggernaut D when the Sabres are back to bold.

Does have to do with drafting or getting young forwards at the expense of that?

If Kurri's jersey is retired, what number will Lucic wear?

its a gamble no doubt. and especially cause ur stuck with his contract if he doesnt.

agreed about the impressive numbers and skill sets of the kids u named. but think about it like this; u named some really impressive stats for 17/18 year olds in lesser leagues. by no means dominant and elite player in league numbers, but nonetheless very good. especially for their ages/

tyler myers has dominated for stretches in the nhl. we've seen it.

i exaggerate none when i say ive seen a better skating, younger version of chara from myers at the age of 20. albeit in small samples. and he did win the calder lets not forget.

and i think his struggles have been exaggerated abit too. we're not talking useless, non nhl material here. we're talking getting a lesson by being a healthy scratch cause his potential is so incredibly high and he wasnt playing the way he once did.
- hugefemale dog77

Myers has a TON of upside. But the question marks and the massive contract are there. I also beleive the price wuold be exhorbitant to get him. Put all that together and it makes it tough to judge.

If Kurri's jersey is retired, what number will Lucic wear?
- PassionBucket16

71

Let's just put it this way, and this is strictly opinion. You have a 19 year old kid who wins the Calder on a Sabres team that wins the division that year. He wasn't expected to be a shutdown guy. All of the sudden he was pushed into a role he couldn't handle at 20 years old. He was expected to be Pronger/Chara immediately following his rookie year. He had a sub-par sophmore year, then completely dominated in the Sabres/Flyers series that year. So instead of continuing to slowly groom him and let him run the PP and be the "offensive guy" they go and sign Ehrhoff and decrease his PP time. So now his numbers are down are people wonder why. Then he get's a 12 million dollar check, there's a lockout, he gets hurt overseas, and is out of shape when the season starts. It really wasn't suprising that his season is going the way it is
- sbroads24

good post

and totally agree in that flyers series. he was truly dominant. this fantastic skating 6'8 giant killing at both ends of the ice.
his one knock is he's a little passive for his size....and hes shown thats not neccasarily the case either. he was playing with a mean streak.

Myers has a TON of upside. But the question marks and the massive contract are there. I also beleive the price wuold be exhorbitant to get him. Put all that together and it makes it tough to judge.
- Iggysbff

cant argue with that

I wonder if tambo has used creativity in offering to retain half of Whitney and hemskys salary in a trade? It would be more enticing for a team like Boston to have 2.5 of hemsky rather than 5 mill. Apparently you can do that in the new cba (not sure about old one).

But what nhl player do we get from Boston to improve us or balance us? Jordan Caron is intriguing but likely not enough as he isn't what id consider a full time nhler.

Edit: I meant half of the cap hit

And your team is? Obviously you're too embarrassed to even rep your team, so I'm guessing either Toronto or Colorado
- SpoiledByOil

I'd be embarrassed to be an Oiler fan - since 06, we still believe - lol!!