Come on guys. The Leafs just won again, are very likely making the playoffs and you guys are argueing Staal vs Kessel. They're both good players, not elite players. Staal is a complete player, Kessel will get you more points. Its simple.

Hopefully we can focus on our team, clinching a spot, and standings watch to see who our opponents will be. Life as a fan of the Toronto sports scene is looking up once again. Leafs relevant and playoff race, Jays relevant, Argos win. Good times ahead.

Have a good night. Go Leafs. Go Jays.
- systemtool

As an Edmontonian, I take exception to you bringing up the Argos.

Enjoy our QB.

career stats don't agree with this
- Big_Lightnin

ok...I'm done discussing...how would his stats agree??...he's never played it..he's never been given the chance as he is ALSO very good defensively.
frankn banging my head against the wall with you guys...
I would bet J Staal wins his 2nd cup before Kessel. ( I would love to lose the bet if Kessel is still a leaf)

no more Staal talk...let's talk leafs.

cujo was 33-35 years old when he was still with the leafs, belfour was 37-38, your point?
- Mapleleafs_91

Belfour was pretty (frank)ing bad at 38, is likely the point

if he could get him for a steal, it would be done.

Nonis told Gillis to suck it several times this year. If he really thought he needed to upgrade goaltending, he'd have done so already.

If he can get him for nothing, I agree he'll make the trade. But he's not trading Bozak for him.
- Big_Lightnin

There saying the price is lowered now, i think if grabo goes the other way say with a prospect like ashton, the deal gets done. I doubt bozak will move though at this point, hes been playing pretty good lately

you can spin it however the (frank) you want. the only team he's ever hammered home anything legitimate from is one of the most stacked teams ever assembled.

i'm not interested in having this debate. it's ridiculous. there is 17 reasons why this luongo in toronto poop is a joke, and needs to go away. what i just listed above is actually kind've irrelevant compared to alot of the other reasons.
- joel878

Yes playing against every other comparably stacked team in the Olympics

tough to say though... he's grown with the added challenges too. Everything Carlyle has done with him is working better than expected. Why push it? why put him in front lines every game, when he's doing so well with minutes he's getting?
- Big_Lightnin

Too many folks want to rush things.. he is perfect where he is now.. and that is second line...

If our goalies why does every analyst and nonis say they are looking at a veteran goalie?
- Yeti1181

For leadership, mentoring, mental preparation... to avoid throwing a promising prospect or two to the wolves.

Belfour was pretty (frank)ing bad at 38, is likely the point
- Big_Lightnin

Yes at time when training, diet and fitness were not what they are now.

He's a good goalie, fairly athletic, looks like he's in very good shape. Why wont he?
- yea-ok-buddy

pretty sure hed rather play poker

The names you've described are elite talents. They aren't "any respectable level of pro athlete."
- Leeman4Gilmour

i mean sports wide my friend.

granderson, teixera, and sabathia, see their careers go down the drain when the went to new york? the media is pretty heavy there.. the same argument could be made in 30 different scenarios in football. it is the most watched sport in north america, by an insanely (frank)ing large margin..

the media thing in toronto has become a cop out. id be willing to bet, if the last 10 free agents to turn down toronto were to be asked if they didnt sign a contract because of the media, they'd respond with "really? i didn't sign there because it's been a (frank)ing poopshow there for the last 10 years. i want to play for someone respectable".

For leadership, mentoring, mental preparation... to avoid throwing a promising prospect or two to the wolves.
- Leeman4Gilmour

It reimer third season when do we stop calling him a prospect he's not 22 he's old enough if he can't carry the load now he probably won't.

Funny how that keeps on happening eh?
- Dirte

funny how you are clueless...put Kessel at center on Pitts...funny where he would end up eh???
Put Kessel at center in Carolina...funny where he would end up eh?

ok...I'm done discussing...how would his stats agree??...he's never played it..he's never been given the chance as he is ALSO very good defensively.
frankn banging my head against the wall with you guys...
I would bet J Staal wins his 2nd cup before Kessel. ( I would love to lose the bet if Kessel is still a leaf)

no more Staal talk...let's talk leafs.
- Garnie

sure said a lot after these words...

Malkin is a 1st line center playing 2nd line. Datsyuk is a 1st line center playing 2nd line (or was a lot).

how do J Staal's numbers compare to theirs? Datsyuk's pretty good defensively. nominated or wins the selke every year, still gets 90+pts.

that's how.

J Staal's a very good #2 on a lot of teams, and #1 on a few desparate teams who don't have a real #1 (Leafs are on that list).

but he's not a true #1. He doesn't have the offense.

Yes playing against every other comparably stacked team in the Olympics
- Yeti1181

(frank)ing get over it man. i'll point it out again. it is low on the list of reasons why luongo in toronto is insanity.

get over it.

ok...I'm done discussing...how would his stats agree??...he's never played it..he's never been given the chance as he is ALSO very good defensively.
frankn banging my head against the wall with you guys...
I would bet J Staal wins his 2nd cup before Kessel. ( I would love to lose the bet if Kessel is still a leaf)

no more Staal talk...let's talk leafs.
- Garnie

Watch the replay of Bozak's goal.. which was on while i read this.....
Exact same type of play that would cause you to say Dion sucks...

It reimer third season when do we stop calling him a prospect he's not 22 he's old enough if he can't carry the load now he probably won't.
- Yeti1181

For a goaltender, 24 years old in his third season qualifies.

It reimer third season when do we stop calling him a prospect he's not 22 he's old enough if he can't carry the load now he probably won't.
- Yeti1181

um... he's carrying the load. right now.

but he still hasn't played 100 career NHL games. That's still very inexperienced

sure said a lot after these words...

Malkin is a 1st line center playing 2nd line. Datsyuk is a 1st line center playing 2nd line (or was a lot).

how do J Staal's numbers compare to theirs? Datsyuk's pretty good defensively. nominated or wins the selke every year, still gets 90+pts.

that's how.

J Staal's a very good #2 on a lot of teams, and #1 on a few desparate teams who don't have a real #1 (Leafs are on that list).

but he's not a true #1. He doesn't have the offense.
- Big_Lightnin

Well played

If our goalies why does every analyst and nonis say they are looking at a veteran goalie?
- Yeti1181

Yeah i guess the real analysts and GM dont know anything They are smart enough to know that the load on reimer probably wont last and its very uneasy going in with reimer and scrivens tandem. Id rather have luu than khab from the oilers who they keep linking to come to toronto as well, or who Nonis would be looking at

It reimer third season when do we stop calling him a prospect he's not 22 he's old enough if he can't carry the load now he probably won't.
- Yeti1181

He sort of is though, isn't he? 12-4-4, based on the talent level of the rest of the team, that's pretty much right in line with what you would want out of a starting goalie.

(frank)ing get over it man. i'll point it out again. it is low on the list of reasons why luongo in toronto is insanity.

get over it.
- joel878

We're having a discussion you make a point i make a counter point that how things work. If your just going to get upset perhaps it's time to get your mom to tuck you in to bed and say good night.

i mean sports wide my friend.

granderson, teixera, and sabathia, see their careers go down the drain when the went to new york? the media is pretty heavy there.. the same argument could be made in 30 different scenarios in football. it is the most watched sport in north america, by an insanely (frank)ing large margin..

the media thing in toronto has become a cop out. id be willing to bet, if the last 10 free agents to turn down toronto were to be asked if they didnt sign a contract because of the media, they'd respond with "really? i didn't sign there because it's been a (frank)ing poopshow there for the last 10 years. i want to play for someone respectable".
- joel878

But there's no denying that even when we were respectable, we still didn't land anybody.

Seriously, I'm wracking my brain trying to remember the last big name FA's that signed here, going all the way back to the early 90's and beyond.

Yeah i guess the real analysts and GM dont know anything They are smart enough to know that the load on reimer probably wont last and its very uneasy going in with reimer and scrivens tandem. Id rather have luu than khab from the oilers who they keep linking to come to toronto as well, or who Nonis would be looking at
- Mapleleafs_91

The analysts didn't think this goalie tandem would work....




They were wrong...

He sort of is though, isn't he? 12-4-4, based on the talent level of the rest of the team, that's pretty much right in line with what you would want out of a starting goalie.
- Jeffmt

The grass is always greener in someone else's net. . .

Watch the replay of Bozak's goal.. which was on while i read this.....
Exact same type of play that would cause you to say Dion sucks...
- jribout

I didnt say Dion sucks.