Exactly. Good player. Is fine for the second line. Not worth $6M though. Not even remotely close. And if I have to choose between Kessel and Staal, I easily take Kessel. Not even close.
- Dirte

Talks about averages, reimer always come back from injury and plays "okay". Lets in 4 or 5 goals a game, leafs playing catchup, the good thing about reimer is that he keeps us in the game. I relate him to goalies like in chicago. They have a good team in front, not saying were chicago, but the goalie level is still not the best in the league( they wont compare to guys like rinne, luu, kipper, miller etc)
- Mapleleafs_91

In his first three seasons:

46-28-13
.912 sv%
2.79 GAA

Seriously, could you ask for a better goaltending prospect? How many guys put up numbers like that entering the league, all while battling injury?

Kadri was trying to push him because he was headed in the wrong direction....



- DoctorNHL

maybe a cross-check wasn't the best choice

thank you, especially if we had a reimer and luu tandem, very strong force going forward.
- Mapleleafs_91

People are going to be pissed when we get him then they will realize how good this team can be with true NHL starter and will wonder why we didn't do it before.

In his first three seasons:

46-28-13
.912 sv%
2.79 GAA

Seriously, could you ask for a better goaltending prospect?
- Leeman4Gilmour

yes?

6'4" CENTER who has been playing behind Staal/Malkins shadow in Pitts.

You see what Eric can do..he's a beast...and ususally a freakn leaf killer too!!!

Anyways..I cheer for the leafs...I say we need 1 good D and we can ride this team into the playoffs and maybe even win a round.....and then you never know after that!!!! Boston doesn't look as scary this year - or we look scarier....I love Fraser out there...he has really quieted down the scrums around our net after the whistle....is just me or has anybody else notice...last year we would get pushed around after every whistle..this year...not so much!!!!
- Garnie

Okay, I think you mean playing behind Crosby/Malkin. Have you seen the stats on how rare it was both of those guys were in the lineup at the same time? Realistically, he was playing behind Crosby OR Malkin, not Crosby AND Malkin.

I don't care what Eric Staal can do when we're discussing Jordan Staal. Would you also pay Jared Staal $6M a year?

Kadri is producing better than Jordan Staal while playing behind Bozak and Grabs.

Reimer also gets better goal support than Price does. But I agree with you, Reimer isn't losing us games. In his 20 decisions he's gotten 28 of 40 points, nothing to sneeze at there.
- Jeffmt

unless he suprises us.. if the leafs were to make the playoffs, reimer will be exposed at that point. he'll either embrace it, or he'll crumble under it.

either way.. it doesn't validate trading valuable qualities for a goaltender signed for the next quarter century.. hogging up cap space, while we're lacking in other areas.

you're not cheering for a team that's one goaltender away from winning a cup. you're just not.

luu has his credentials. he's also signed until he's (frank)ing 77.

are we actually supposed to give up assets to acquire a goaltender, with an increased cap hit, signed long term.. that might increase our teams GAA by a quarter of a point?

that's just not smart.
- joel878

They just said no significant asset of gardiner nor kadri will go there way. Who cares if hes signed to the moon, 5 good years in him then can play backup or he retires. Leafs have been poop forever, with a good core of lupul, kessel, jvr, kadri, heck even bozie has been playing good and phaneuf and gardiner, if you can get luu for cheap price u go for it

yes?
- Big_Lightnin

Not named Rask.

Talks about averages, reimer always come back from injury and plays "okay". Lets in 4 or 5 goals a game, leafs playing catchup, the good thing about reimer is that he keeps us in the game at times. I relate him to goalies like in chicago. They have a good team in front, not saying were chicago, but the goalie level is still not the best in the league( they wont compare to guys like rinne, luu, kipper, miller etc)
- Mapleleafs_91

All goalies that have a worst save % than Reims this year. Thanks for proving our point

In his first three seasons:

46-28-13
.912 sv%
2.79 GAA

Seriously, could you ask for a better goaltending prospect? How many guys put up numbers like that entering the league, all while battling injury?
- Leeman4Gilmour

Okay so why does Nonis still persist on getting a goalie veteran or say if theres an upgrade for goalie to be made, we will do it?

i've ragged on phaneuf since he came to toronto with the best of em.

i find there's tons of holes in his game..

that being said, i (frank)ing guarantee if he were to play big minutes with a legit top pairing defenseman for the first time since he's been here.. i would become a much bigger phaneuf fan.

whether you love him or hate him, you can't properly assess him playing with pylons his entire time as a leaf.

i'm starting to want an actual top pairing defenseman to play with him just as bad as i want a #1 center.
- joel878

In my opinion we'd be better off with a top pairing defenseman than a #1 center. We're always obsessing over this center issue but we've been in the top 10 for goals per game for the past two seasons now. I don't really see offence as a problem right now.

All goalies that have a worst save % than Reims this year. Thanks for proving our point
- Sheppy99

You're a moron Yeah Reimer> kipper, luu, and miller

People are going to be pissed when we get him then they will realize how good this team can be with true NHL starter and will wonder why we didn't do it before.
- Yeti1181

i'd prefer a true nhl starter to.. but the way the team is positioned, it gives us ample time to truly evaluate what we're working with now, before we ship off quality assets for a player that will change very little in the now.

even if we were to go that route.. going with luongo is insanity. i'd love to see a percentage of how many of those loaded contracts are limiting a players value in the now. they are not a positive thing in a cap world, regardless of what the player brings to your team.

All goalies that have a worst save % than Reims this year. Thanks for proving our point
- Sheppy99

You re going to try and argue you wouldn't take those goalies over reimer

Okay so why does Nonis still persist on getting a goalie veteran or say if theres an upgrade for goalie to be made, we will do it?
- Mapleleafs_91

Because a guy like Martin Biron to back Reimer up would be great.

They just said no significant asset of gardiner nor kadri will go there way. Who cares if hes signed to the moon, 5 good years in him then can play backup or he retires. Leafs have been poop forever, with a good core of lupul, kessel, jvr, kadri, heck even bozie has been playing good and phaneuf and gardiner, if you can get luu for cheap price u go for it
- Mapleleafs_91

You do realize save % is a more telling statistic for a goalies success than GAA?

GAA doesn't factor in the leafs being in the top 5 of shots allowed a game. Save % does.

GAA doesn't factor in the teams that play defensively sound hockey and only allow 20 shots a game

Save % does.

Reimer is better in the most important stat than all of those goalies you mentioned this year. So go to the other side of the fence and continue this argument where the grass is greener with no apparent logic to support it.

maybe a cross-check wasn't the best choice
- Big_Lightnin

He should've pulled one of those short track speed skating pushes to close the gap...

People are going to be pissed when we get him then they will realize how good this team can be with true NHL starter and will wonder why we didn't do it before.
- Yeti1181

Im not even saying trade reimer, heck we wont even trade reimer. Reimer and Luu sharing the duties is pretty strong in my books.

Okay so why does Nonis still persist on getting a goalie veteran or say if theres an upgrade for goalie to be made, we will do it?
- Mapleleafs_91

he doesn't though. He says he's listening, and he'll upgrade if a deal makes sense, but if not he's fine with what he's got.

And that's pretty much true for every player on the team I would imagine. If you can get better without jeapordizing futures, you do it.

Nucks want a least 1 real asset. they NEED a center. we could give them Grabo or Bozak, but that's all I would give. And they can't take Grabo's contract cause they are cap-(frank)ed next year,

and then you have the messing with chemistry thing.

if they'd take Connolly, Scrivens, and a 2nd. Giver.

anybody off the top 9 forwards or Any D in the system not named Komi... no.

Okay so why does Nonis still persist on getting a goalie veteran or say if theres an upgrade for goalie to be made, we will do it?
- Mapleleafs_91

I don't think he wants to throw his young goalies to the wolves. He's in the market for a veteran with an expiring contract.

To get a vet with a hefty price tag and term, you're pushing all your other goalies out of the system.

If Luongo comes, that's the end of the line for Scrivens and Reimer in Toronto. I can't see why he'd make that move right now. That's just asking to get "Rasked" again.

You're a moron Yeah Reimer> kipper, luu, and miller
- Mapleleafs_91

I'd say that's quite possible with Kipper and Luu. They're old. And Miller, I've always felt he's more hype than substance.

They just said no significant asset of gardiner nor kadri will go there way. Who cares if hes signed to the moon, 5 good years in him then can play backup or he retires. Leafs have been poop forever, with a good core of lupul, kessel, jvr, kadri, heck even bozie has been playing good and phaneuf and gardiner, if you can get luu for cheap price u go for it
- Mapleleafs_91

wake up.. the (frank)ing cap world that is the NHL cares if he's signed to the moon.

unless luongo is bought out and signed as a free agent for a reasonable contract.. you pass.

ridiculous contracts handicap teams in this NHL.

You do realize save % is a more telling statistic for a goalies success than GAA?

GAA doesn't factor in the leafs being in the top 5 of shots allowed a game. Save % does.

GAA doesn't factor in the teams that play defensively sound hockey and only allow 20 shots a game

Save % does.

Reimer is better in the most important stat than all of those goalies you mentioned this year. So go to the other side of the fence and continue this argument where the grass is greener with no apparent logic to support it.
- Sheppy99

You just said reimer is better than those goalies, while those teams all suck poop, yet have elite goaltenders playing for them.

i'd prefer a true nhl starter to.. but the way the team is positioned, it gives us ample time to truly evaluate what we're working with now, before we ship off quality assets for a player that will change very little in the now.

even if we were to go that route.. going with luongo is insanity. i'd love to see a percentage of how many of those loaded contracts are limiting a players value in the now. they are not a positive thing in a cap world, regardless of what the player brings to your team.
- joel878

Doubt we have to give up solid assets for him anymore gillis sounds like he s getting the hint