Don't they play Ottawa and then Philly after that?
- blahman20

Something like that, 4 wins in those games I guess I mean.

Cox alludes to fact that concerns about health of wife and child have abated in last few days...

so maybe he's open to it, especially with Iggy leaving
- Big_Lightnin

Yeah for sure. Family comes first always. If they are ok, it wouldn't be that hard to rent a furnished house somewhere I'm sure in TOronto with the kinda dough he has. Wife is gonna wanna stay home with the kid most of the time anyways.

Hopefully it changes the Leafs mind too..
- systemtool

He probably would get lowballed for two years... etc.. for me it is better than trading for that Lou contract.. if that is their plan.

Dreger also referred to Kipper as trade bait tonight for the flames..... wtf. Does nobody believe kipper?
- Sheppy99

Who would even bother with the risk? There's a chance he bails on you and, even if he doesn't, his mind is focused on his wife and kids at home.

He doesn't exactly scream "motivated competitor" at this point in his career.

ya I do not want to see it. Ride the young guys. get them playoff experience and increase their value and further asses what you've got. We're not beating Pittsburgh anyway.

upgrade in summer if need be, or stick with them if they prove they've got some mettle. so far, they're better than anybody thought they'd be
- Big_Lightnin

I agree, the only teams who should be in on Luongo are teams that need a solid goalie to put them over the top as a cup contender.

Maybe a team like Philly in the summer after they buyout Mr. Universe

Don't they play Ottawa and then Philly after that?
- blahman20

yes, then NJ, NYR, NYR, Habs, NJ

he's a week ahead

He probably would get lowballed for two years... etc.. for me it is better than trading for that Lou contract.. if that is their plan.
- DoctorNHL

To me, neither is better than being patient and letting Reimer and Scrivens have a shot at the job first before we go after an overpaid, older player who isn't even playing as well as the guys we have now.

2 games vs rangers, 2 vs devils coming up in the next 5. 4 game winning steak would be nice eh?
- yea-ok-buddy

Get 5 points in those 4 games and the playoffs are in the bank.

hmm..

my only issue then is that he's been terrible this year. He literally has not played a single game over .900 this year. just aweful stuff.

Mabye the lockout screwed his whole preparation regime and then the premi-baby (frank)ed with his head. I don't know, but he's been terrible.
- Big_Lightnin

Agreed but that team has been pretty bad too... a change of scenery might help him though... who knows what Nonis is thinking...

Actually they have back tracked since Kipper made those comments... Kypper said an extension might change his mind...
- DoctorNHL

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a team couldn't discuss extensions with a player until the final year of his contract.

Seems like a massive risk.

To me, neither is better than being patient and letting Reimer and Scrivens have a shot at the job first before we go after an overpaid, older player who isn't even playing as well as the guys we have now.
- systemtool

Agreed...

I agree, the only teams who should be in on Luongo are teams that need a solid goalie to put them over the top as a cup contender.

Maybe a team like Philly in the summer after they buyout Mr. Universe
- Sheppy99

well... even then. Lu isn't a quick fix. He's got 9 more years on that deal and he'll want play at least 5 of those (good money)

honestly I don't know why anybody would trade for him.

I agree, the only teams who should be in on Luongo are teams that need a solid goalie to put them over the top as a cup contender.

Maybe a team like Philly in the summer after they buyout Mr. Universe
- Sheppy99

No way they shell out the $$$ to buy out Bryz.

Ummm... go?

The stats don't really favor J.Staal over Kessel here...
- Leeman4Gilmour

ok...we will start where you stated +/- difference is +85 for Staal
Kessel has scored 47 of his 175 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has scored 19 of his 128 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has never missed the playoffs - Kessel has played in 2 playoffs is a year older and 1 year he played 4 playoff games. ( swept )
Kessel gets to play with the best passer/playmaker on his team
Staal gets to play with Pascal Dupuis
Staal is 6'4" Kessel is 6'0" ( not to sure about that )

Staal is far from being overrated..give the guy some time 35 games in a lockout season is a little bit overzealous to be calling this guy overrated.

I cheer for Kessel every game..I believe he is a top player..but I think Staal still has some good hockey to come out of him...

Who would even bother with the risk? There's a chance he bails on you and, even if he doesn't, his mind is focused on his wife and kids at home.

He doesn't exactly scream "motivated competitor" at this point in his career.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I agree, I wouldn't give up anything more than a second rounder for him.....

Gotta admit it would be kinda sick seeing Kipper in a leafs jersey....... just a lil sick.. lol

ok...we will start where you stated +/- difference is +85 for Staal
Kessel has scored 47 of his 175 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has scored 19 of his 128 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has never missed the playoffs - Kessel has played in 2 playoffs is a year older and 1 year he played 4 playoff games. ( swept )
Kessel gets to play with the best passer/playmaker on his team
Staal gets to play with Pascal Dupuis
Staal is 6'4" Kessel is 6'0" ( not to sure about that )

Staal is far from being overrated..give the guy some time 35 games in a lockout season is a little bit overzealous to be calling this guy overrated.

I cheer for Kessel every game..I believe he is a top player..but I think Staal still has some good hockey to come out of him...
- Garnie

there is no winner in this argument.

even if there is.. what you just listed certainly doesn't even fringe on something credible enough to have you win that argument.

nothing in that list has me even considering whether i want to make a decision.

To me, neither is better than being patient and letting Reimer and Scrivens have a shot at the job first before we go after an overpaid, older player who isn't even playing as well as the guys we have now.
- systemtool

Yup. Find out exactly what you've got before you go shopping.

And right now, we've got a 12-4-4 goalie with a .916 sv%. I honestly don't know why this is even being rumored.

If I were going to improve this team with one move, goaltending would be the last place I'd look.

If we're willing to take on salary and trade some assets for an impact player, I'd start with Stastny or Boyle.

well... even then. Lu isn't a quick fix. He's got 9 more years on that deal and he'll want play at least 5 of those (good money)

honestly I don't know why anybody would trade for him.
- Big_Lightnin

Yea, I've been the biggest hater of Lu and his contract since Jesus was a cowboy so you don't have to convince me......

trading for Lu is like marrying a hot girl tomorrow who's awful at sex and will never get any better. At first it seems like an ok idea but in a year or so the novelty will wear off and you'll realize you're in for a world of hurt and some difficult decisions

Kulemin passing that to McClement show what a great team player he is. But it also represents the Leafs. Hard working team that fights for each other! Phaneuf is playing like a captain lately...the leafs are 7-0 when he scores. Lupul is a beast. We have legit top 6 talent in Kessel, Lupul, Kadri, JVR(needs to start scoring).
- Allstarzz

or Kulemin wasnt paying attention and looked for a pass as he always does..

Agreed but that team has been pretty bad too... a change of scenery might help him though... who knows what Nonis is thinking...
- DoctorNHL

true, but they've been pretty bad for a few years now but the difference was kipper used to steal games. Hasn't even been close to that this year. Averages 4-5 shutouts a year minimum. not even a sniff.

again, lot going on with family. older goalie, lockout. All factors that can affect play - which is why I think it's a terrible option for Leafs at this point. He's not going to suddenly get in better shape.

ok...we will start where you stated +/- difference is +85 for Staal
Kessel has scored 47 of his 175 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has scored 19 of his 128 nhl goals on the pp
Staal has never missed the playoffs - Kessel has played in 2 playoffs is a year older and 1 year he played 4 playoff games. ( swept )
Kessel gets to play with the best passer/playmaker on his team
Staal gets to play with Pascal Dupuis
Staal is 6'4" Kessel is 6'0" ( not to sure about that )

Staal is far from being overrated..give the guy some time 35 games in a lockout season is a little bit overzealous to be calling this guy overrated.

I cheer for Kessel every game..I believe he is a top player..but I think Staal still has some good hockey to come out of him...
- Garnie

Kessel was playing with Bozak and Joey (frank)ing Crabb while Staal was playing on the best team in the NHL.

All you've managed to prove with stats is that Kessel has far more goals than Staal, even at even-strength.

The rest is conjecture and subjective opinion.

Yup. Find out exactly what you've got before you go shopping.

And right now, we've got a 12-4-4 goalie with a .916 sv%. I honestly don't know why this is even being rumored.

If I were going to improve this team with one move, goaltending would be the last place I'd look.

If we're willing to take on salary and trade some assets for an impact player, I'd start with Stastny or Boyle.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I would go after Cammelleri or Clarkson. Maybe even Clowe if his value has dropped. Boyle isn't a bad option either.

there is no winner in this argument.

even if there is.. what you just listed certainly doesn't even fringe on something credible enough to have you win that argument.

nothing in that list has me even considering whether i want to make a decision.
- joel878

I agree...somebody through his poopy +/- stat from this year.

I like both..maybe I can have both???

well... even then. Lu isn't a quick fix. He's got 9 more years on that deal and he'll want play at least 5 of those (good money)

honestly I don't know why anybody would trade for him.
- Big_Lightnin

Imagine if we signed Brad Richards on that contract and he had 18 points for us this year. HB would explode with bans left right and centre. Dozzer wouldn't have a job.

I would go after Cammelleri or Clarkson. Maybe even Clowe if his value has dropped. Boyle isn't a bad option either.
- systemtool

Clarkson