What helped me out a lot (besides a bottle of oxy's) was when I applied ice as often as I could stand. It kept the swelling and discoloration down considerably.

Good luck.
- 77rams

Oh, I had ice on it - off and on - all late morning and afternoon.

Snider is the boss. He issues fiats to Holmgren, which tie his hands.
- Jsaquella

Do you really think Snider is managing Homer's day by day decisions?
He tells him to put together a winning team.

He did issue that verdict on getting a number one goalie, but I doubt he tells Homer which one and how much to offer, etc. At least I hope not.

There's no reason to go nuts in selling at the TDL. Sell the UFAs. Sell Briere if at all possible. If you get a good enough return, move some one of the other veterans.

I still see no reason to swing the wrecking ball. There is talent on this team. It needs to be utilized better.
- Jsaquella

No wrecking ball. I'm suggesting the same as you sir. Trade away players that won't be here (vets). I would also look at moving one forward to get a puck moving defenseman this summer. Fill in the rest of the holes with role players.

Use all the picks and load up the system. Now the Flyers won't hit on every single pick but its time to start stocking up young talent. You just never know whats going to happen.

It's kind of scary if dental surgery and drugs make me better at evaluating a hockey team.
- Flyskippy

It was a little more gay than I would have gone, but as the song goes



I remember my wisdom teeth coming out. Chinese doctor at the Va in Philly...He almost waited until the assistant injected the novocaine to start yanking.

Spoke less English than a NYC cab driver

I agree. I'm just not so sure that Snider/Homer/Lavy are ready to concede this season ... even if all signs point to that being the logical choice.
- FlyerGuy

Concede or not the Flyers arent good enough to make the playoffs. Everyone that has seen them play knows it at this point.

I think they should continue to play hard and compete but it would be wise to trade away what you can and get back picks.

Do you really think Snider is managing Homer's day by day decisions?
He tells him to put together a winning team.

He did issue that verdict on getting a number one goalie, but I doubt he tells Homer which one and how much to offer, etc. At least I hope not.
- Marc D

I don't think he does day to day, I think he demands things and Homer has to do his best to comply.

Oh, I had ice on it - off and on - all late morning and afternoon.
- Flyskippy

I had mine out about 2-3 years ago. Take the pain meds as directed. The throbbing will sneak up on you quickly and then you have to wait an hour for the pills to kick in.

Just thought of this: It's akin to casting a musical as a director and casting people who can't hold a tune in a bucket for all of the roles. There's nothing wrong with the musical itself, it just doesn't work when it has the wrong people in place.

The actors may be great in non-musical roles, but look out of place in singing roles. Thus the whole thing looks bad, even the theater manager and the producer.
- Flyskippy

Hugh Jackman sounded pretty good in Les Misérables.

No wrecking ball. I'm suggesting the same as you sir. Trade away players that won't be here (vets). I would also look at moving one forward to get a puck moving defenseman this summer. Fill in the rest of the holes with role players.

Use all the picks and load up the system. Now the Flyers won't hit on every single pick but its time to start stocking up young talent. You just never know whats going to happen.
- stveshdy

Exactly what I think. In full agreement

Do you really think Snider is managing Homer's day by day decisions?
He tells him to put together a winning team.

He did issue that verdict on getting a number one goalie, but I doubt he tells Homer which one and how much to offer, etc. At least I hope not.
- Marc D

I think Snider stays out of Homer's way, except on the big, big stuff. Bryz of course, probably the Richards/Carter trades, and coaching changes.

I remember Homer saying in an interview a couple of years ago about how he had to convince Snider it was time to let Stevens go. And that it wasn't an easy sell.

So, it's fair to say that Homer doesn't have carte blanche. But neither is Snider micro-managing, either.

Exactly what I think. In full agreement
- Jsaquella

This would be the right direction to start. At some point they organization has to be wise and realize they need more talent in their farm system.

Make some minor adjustments and this team can be right back in the thick of things.

The other problem is they have no depth in the minor system so they can't afford to trade a young player to get a vet even if they wanted to.

They can do that and turn it around in a short time period. They have talent, just need to make the scheme fit the talent and get players to return to their form.

I know that guys like Hartnell and Coburn aren't stars. But they aren't scrubs either. They've been good solid NHLers on the average. This season they have been well below that. But there's no reason to suspect that this short year is the new norm for them.
- Jsaquella

Just me, but Coburn and Hartnell have run as hot and cold as the team has for a long, long time now.

I dont throw any player away for chum change, but I want that kind of bullpoop inconsistency off this team. You cant have guys who are expected to play big roles, and are paid as such, provide such a fine quality of inconsistency. Its a bigger change that might take some time, but they have to focus on it or its just going to be the same BS year after year.

I have a sneaky suspicion that the Flyers are looking into possibly bringing Jagr back into the fold.

I totally believe that they still think there's a chance at the playoffs this year, and #68 would be good for Giroux next year as well.
- FlyerGuy

Well realistically, the chances are slim-to-none. Mathematically, they're still alive and all it will take is wins, wins, and more wins. Just don't see it happening as much as I want it to

Well realistically, the chances are slim-to-none. Mathematically, they're still alive and all it will take is wins, wins, and more wins. Just don't see it happening as much as I want it to
- Flyers_V88

me neither.

but we need to remember that Snider is 120 and running out of time.

Just me, but Coburn and Hartnell have run as hot and cold as the team has for a long, long time now.

I dont throw any player away for chum change, but I want that kind of bullpoop inconsistency off this team. You cant have guys who are expected to play big roles, and are paid as such, provide such a fine quality of inconsistency. Its a bigger change that might take some time, but they have to focus on it or its just going to be the same BS year after year.
- flyer_nutter

The problem is, replacing them won't be cheap. You'd either have to bring in stop gaps who aren't as good, or spend money and assets to land others, which means fewer draft choices moving forward

The problem is, replacing them won't be cheap. You'd either have to bring in stop gaps who aren't as good, or spend money and assets to land others, which means fewer draft choices moving forward
- Jsaquella

Honestly, the Flyers have painted themselves into a corner. Not having any players (depth wise) in the system limits what they can do.

Just me, but Coburn and Hartnell have run as hot and cold as the team has for a long, long time now.

I dont throw any player away for chum change, but I want that kind of bullpoop inconsistency off this team. You cant have guys who are expected to play big roles, and are paid as such, provide such a fine quality of inconsistency. Its a bigger change that might take some time, but they have to focus on it or its just going to be the same BS year after year.
- flyer_nutter

I used to defend Coburn ... but no longer do. He's a big guy who doesn't use his size effectively, and he's a good skater who rarely wants to bring the puck up the ice. That's oh for 2.

His value may never be higher than it is right now.

me neither.

but we need to remember that Snider is 120 and running out of time.

- FlyerGuy

lol. If he wants a Cup, he needs to selectively draft/trade/sign players who we are need of, and who can help form an identity of sorts. the PERFECT team to look at right now is Toronto. On paper, I would argue they're the same as us, if not slightly less in terms of on-paper talent. But, what have they done to maximize their potential? Created an identity and brought in a lot of toughness and guys who can play roles. As well, Carlyle DOES NOT use ANY of their players in situations they don't have the talent for, or do as much line shuffling as Lavi.

If Toronto can do it, so can we.

lol. If he wants a Cup, he needs to selectively draft/trade/sign players who we are need of, and who can help form an identity of sorts. the PERFECT team to look at right now is Toronto. On paper, I would argue they're the same as us, if not slightly less in terms of on-paper talent. But, what have they done to maximize their potential? Created an identity and brought in a lot of toughness and guys who can play roles. As well, Carlyle DOES NOT use ANY of their players in situations they don't have the talent for, or do as much line shuffling as Lavi.

If Toronto can do it, so can we.
- Flyers_V88

He had been using Tyler Bozak as his number one center....

I used to defend Coburn ... but no longer do. He's a big guy who doesn't use his size effectively, and he's a good skater who rarely wants to bring the puck up the ice. That's oh for 2.

His value may never be higher than it is right now.
- FlyerGuy

I would listen to offers b/c teams will overpay at the deadline. Give me an NHL ready defenseman and a 1st rounder (thats the starting point). With so many teams in it and how teams want defenseman its something to consider.

The problem is, replacing them won't be cheap. You'd either have to bring in stop gaps who aren't as good, or spend money and assets to land others, which means fewer draft choices moving forward
- Jsaquella

If the Flyers have to have a few seasons of not too great hockey, to finally instill a culture of consistent hard work, and smart play I am fine with that.

It will take a mixture of smart drafting, and better evaluating FA.

Replacing players isnt always easy, but I am willing to accept it might not happen overnight. I can no longer accept guys who are expected to provide big roles on the team, who are expected to be veterans, are paid as such, provide such inconsistency. Im done with it to be honest.

I dont think management will be willing to have a few years to build up a right culture and identity, but I think its what needs to be done. Talent is for nothing, if it isnt consistent.

I like coming up with hypothetic scenarios but I think this kind of an approach is fathomable.

-Trade Coburn at the deadline for a 1st and 3rd (or prospect), trade Feds
-Buyout Briere

-Take the mid to late 1st rounder from Coburn trade, Matt Read, prospect and send to Phx for Yandle and Boyd Gordon

-Sign Davis Drewske for an upgrade on the 3rd pair at a reasonable price
-Resign Gagne for around 2 mil (maybe under)
-Sign a Victor Stalberg/Drew Miller or if more money is available Clark Mcarthur/Mason Raymond

Draft best available with top 5 pick.


You could also plug in Shattenkirk and a piece from St. Louis. I think we can target those two guys without having to deal Coots or Schenn, maybe I'm wrong.

What are the prices of Briere, Hartnell, Talbot and L Shenn?

To me those guys are not core guys moving forward for the Flyers and could get you some good picks/prospects to rebuild with. Take a few seasons of growing pains and don't give up on Coutourier, Simmonds, Giroux or Vorachek. These guys will be studs for you guys for a long time!

You D is a huge problem though. Personally, I'd love the Sens to trade a couple of our D prospects for Briere or if possible Coutourier, but that would have to be a very expensive package.

Ideally, Sens 1st 2013, Weircoch and Da Costa for Coutourier... He would look great with Zibby and Silf
- riceroni

Is this like some jedi mind trick poop?

He had been using Tyler Bozak as his number one center....
- Jsaquella

Fair, and I know that sounds INSANE for people not in the Toronto area, or who watch Toronto games, but he's been able to get away with that.

Each line does their thing. Each line is complemented as best as possible, and their overall toughness really diminishes/hides their issues, whether with speed or talent, or whatever. Their toughness has allowed them win games that in previous years Toronto wouldn't have won. It's basically using their pieces to the max efficiency and role.

I would listen to offers b/c teams will overpay at the deadline. Give me an NHL ready defenseman and a 1st rounder (thats the starting point). With so many teams in it and how teams want defenseman its something to consider.
- stveshdy

my favorite play from Coburn is when he takes the puck from behind the net, and with 3 or 4 beautiful strides he's headed out of the defensive zone ... at which point, instead of continuing up the ice, he promptly passes it to a forward who then dumps the puck into the offensive zone. I just don't get this approach.