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keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Mar 27 @ 3:07 PM ET
I did'nt watch him a ton or anything just knew he was'nt the most servicable defensman as he was being sold to Isles fans. The way he's being utilized with our club is laughable. He's bad, especially when out against the opposing teams first line. At this point I think this team is still in the "playoff hunt" in spite of Capuano. It looks like sometimes he's trying to lose.
- Cptmjl


He's teaching them how to battle through adversity...namely his coaching.
Spartiarti
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 09.04.2008

Mar 27 @ 3:12 PM ET
Bailey needs to find consistency in his game. He is a much better player than Okposo could ever hope to be. Okposo will be the same player no matter where he goes where as Bailey I feel will thrive under a better coach and playing consistently with better players. Hope he stays like i always have.
- Cptmjl



no question that bailey has alot more skill that KO. KO problem is he doesnt have to be skilled. He needs some killer instinct. Bang alittle, and use that Hard shot he has.

You dont score 25 goals by accident. He was shooting. 5 shots a game should a mandatory requirement communicated to them by Cappy.

Remember Victor Kozlov. guy rarely shot the puck but had a blast. I cant remember it was Laviolette or Nolan. But they told him shoot more, and it think he 25 goals as islanders.
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:32 PM ET
Reality is they should just waive Reasoner now and either bring up Ullstrom or maybe even let Anders Lee get some time if he is signed when his college season ends.
- Jethro09


All of these posts about who should go or who the Isles could get are fundamentally flawed in the fact that Garth totally sucks a$$ as a GM trying to rebuild a team. He can't manufacture a trade of any value /significance, doesn't know when to cut-bait and dump a player, thinks he is the smartest hockey mind on the planet, constantly looks as though he's in a drug-induced stupor, has unrealistic impressions/evaluations of player talent, (lives in the past of what a player "did" - usually ONCE, read: Boyes, DP, Streit,) has horrible communication skills and can't admit to a mistake or simply lay blame on a player who has not lived up to his potential. Add to that his coaching decisions have been based on who he/wang can "control" and toe the party line because they're too scared to lose the biggest gig they've ever had.

We all come here and speculate what player should stay/who should go but for the past three seasons, we've sniffed the playoffs late in the season only to see next-to NOTHING happen at the deadline, all a prelude to a summer of speculation as to who we'd be picking in the top 5 at the draft.

What makes any of you think this man will deviate from his past performance?
Whether he's handcuffed by Wang or simply in over his head and petrified to make a move, get used to who you see on this team because this is (in garth's mind) a playoff caliber team that HE orchestrated and anyone who disagrees is dead fukcin wrong.

Today's reality check, sponsored by Pepto Bismol......
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM ET
All of these posts about who should go or who the Isles could get are fundamentally flawed in the fact that Garth totally sucks a$$ as a GM trying to rebuild a team. He can't manufacture a trade of any value /significance, doesn't know when to cut-bait and dump a player, thinks he is the smartest hockey mind on the planet, constantly looks as though he's in a drug-induced stupor, has unrealistic impressions/evaluations of player talent, (lives in the past of what a player "did" - usually ONCE, read: Boyes, DP, Streit,) has horrible communication skills and can't admit to a mistake or simply lay blame on a player who has not lived up to his potential. Add to that his coaching decisions have been based on who he/wang can "control" and toe the party line because they're too scared to lose the biggest gig they've ever had.

We all come here and speculate what player should stay/who should go but for the past three seasons, we've sniffed the playoffs late in the season only to see next-to NOTHING happen at the deadline, all a prelude to a summer of speculation as to who we'd be picking in the top 5 at the draft.

What makes any of you think this man will deviate from his past performance?
Whether he's handcuffed by Wang or simply in over his head and petrified to make a move, get used to who you see on this team because this is (in garth's mind) a playoff caliber team that HE orchestrated and anyone who disagrees is dead fukcin wrong.

Today's reality check, sponsored by Pepto Bismol......

- jmo16

Unfortunately you're almost definitely right. He will resign the garbage on this team and we will be the same inconsistent pile of dung we were this year.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:51 PM ET
He's teaching them how to battle through adversity...namely his coaching.
- keaner17

jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Mar 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
All of these posts about who should go or who the Isles could get are fundamentally flawed in the fact that Garth totally sucks a$$ as a GM trying to rebuild a team. He can't manufacture a trade of any value /significance, doesn't know when to cut-bait and dump a player, thinks he is the smartest hockey mind on the planet, constantly looks as though he's in a drug-induced stupor, has unrealistic impressions/evaluations of player talent, (lives in the past of what a player "did" - usually ONCE, read: Boyes, DP, Streit,) has horrible communication skills and can't admit to a mistake or simply lay blame on a player who has not lived up to his potential. Add to that his coaching decisions have been based on who he/wang can "control" and toe the party line because they're too scared to lose the biggest gig they've ever had.

We all come here and speculate what player should stay/who should go but for the past three seasons, we've sniffed the playoffs late in the season only to see next-to NOTHING happen at the deadline, all a prelude to a summer of speculation as to who we'd be picking in the top 5 at the draft.

What makes any of you think this man will deviate from his past performance?
Whether he's handcuffed by Wang or simply in over his head and petrified to make a move, get used to who you see on this team because this is (in garth's mind) a playoff caliber team that HE orchestrated and anyone who disagrees is dead fukcin wrong.

Today's reality check, sponsored by Pepto Bismol......

- jmo16




Who do you think they will trade and keep @ the deadline?
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Who do you think they will trade and keep @ the deadline?
- jimmc7722


I'd be willing to bet $20 this team doesn't change ONE BIT, save for call ups from B'port. IF this team makes playoffs, I bet DP comes back. That would be Garth's BIG move.
NYI19
New York Islanders
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 01.19.2011

Mar 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
If you could add one player to this team @ the trade deadline... who would it be and why?
- jimmc7722



I would say Curtis Glencross....might come cheapish...would be useful til some of the prospects are ready, has a bit of speed, plays physical and doesnt have cement hands....
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Mar 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
All of these posts about who should go or who the Isles could get are fundamentally flawed in the fact that Garth totally sucks a$$ as a GM trying to rebuild a team. He can't manufacture a trade of any value /significance, doesn't know when to cut-bait and dump a player, thinks he is the smartest hockey mind on the planet, constantly looks as though he's in a drug-induced stupor, has unrealistic impressions/evaluations of player talent, (lives in the past of what a player "did" - usually ONCE, read: Boyes, DP, Streit,) has horrible communication skills and can't admit to a mistake or simply lay blame on a player who has not lived up to his potential. Add to that his coaching decisions have been based on who he/wang can "control" and toe the party line because they're too scared to lose the biggest gig they've ever had.

We all come here and speculate what player should stay/who should go but for the past three seasons, we've sniffed the playoffs late in the season only to see next-to NOTHING happen at the deadline, all a prelude to a summer of speculation as to who we'd be picking in the top 5 at the draft.

What makes any of you think this man will deviate from his past performance?
Whether he's handcuffed by Wang or simply in over his head and petrified to make a move, get used to who you see on this team because this is (in garth's mind) a playoff caliber team that HE orchestrated and anyone who disagrees is dead fukcin wrong.

Today's reality check, sponsored by Pepto Bismol......

- jmo16


So you rate the rebuild at about a 7 out of 10?
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Mar 27 @ 4:10 PM ET
I'd be willing to bet $20 this team doesn't change ONE BIT, save for call ups from B'port. IF this team makes playoffs, I bet DP comes back. That would be Garth's BIG move.
- jmo16



So you will buy one of Ek's Season Tickets if they make a move?

jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 27 @ 4:34 PM ET
So you rate the rebuild at about a 7 out of 10?
- keaner17


Closer to 7 out of 100. And lets be honest...JT was a no brainer.
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 27 @ 4:35 PM ET
So you will buy one of Ek's Season Tickets if they make a move?


- jimmc7722



Only if he predicts it BEFORE it happens.
kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Mar 27 @ 4:35 PM ET
He's teaching them how to battle through adversity...namely his coaching.
- keaner17

keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Mar 27 @ 4:38 PM ET
Closer to 7 out of 100. And lets be honest...JT was a no brainer.
- jmo16


And Martin was a total reach at the 148th pick!
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Mar 27 @ 5:00 PM ET
And Martin was a total reach at the 148th pick!
- keaner17



Extension talk with Visnovsky
New York Islanders GM Garth Snow, I’m told, reached out to Lubomir Visnovsky’s camp Tuesday to see if there was any interest on the player’s part in talking extension.

It’s not clear whether it will lead to a deal, but agent Neil Sheehy’s answer was sure, let’s talk.

Visnovsky, 36, is slated for UFA status this summer, a five-year, $28 million deal expiring ($5.6 million cap hit).

If contract talks don’t produce a deal, you can bet Snow’s phone will ring April 3. As a rental, Visnovsky is the kind of puck-moving blueliner that many playoff-bound clubs covet and, in fact, other teams have already been calling on him.

Of course, the Islanders themselves aren’t out of the playoff running -- they pulled off a huge win Tuesday night in Washington -- so Snow might not have any inclination in moving Visnovsky even if he’s not signed.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 27 @ 5:08 PM ET
I would say Curtis Glencross....might come cheapish...would be useful til some of the prospects are ready, has a bit of speed, plays physical and doesnt have cement hands....
- NYI19

sick of hearing this line
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 27 @ 5:09 PM ET
And Martin was a total reach at the 148th pick!
- keaner17

After 5 drafts of picking in the top five the results thus far have not been the best. Lets be honest here.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Mar 27 @ 5:21 PM ET
After 5 drafts of picking in the top five the results thus far have not been the best. Lets be honest here.
- Cptmjl


Too early to judge most of the top-five picks. We're not really sure how Nino, Strome and Reinhart will be. Just for the sake of argument, what if Nino becomes an effective first or second-line finisher, Strome becomes a legit second-line center, and Reinhart becomes a strong defensive presence. Combined with Tavares, that'd be 4/5. Of course, all three could underperform and it'd be a bad track record...who knows?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 27 @ 5:45 PM ET
Too early to judge most of the top-five picks. We're not really sure how Nino, Strome and Reinhart will be. Just for the sake of argument, what if Nino becomes an effective first or second-line finisher, Strome becomes a legit second-line center, and Reinhart becomes a strong defensive presence. Combined with Tavares, that'd be 4/5. Of course, all three could underperform and it'd be a bad track record...who knows?
- UIF

I'm not overly impressed with the results thus far after 5 years of doing nothing but drafting. If that's your only focus I'd expect better results. As far as the "ifs" again we'll see. Those are lofty ifs. Out of the bunch Strome is the only one I'm excited about but we'll see. On a team where Boyes is a first line player and Carkner is a first pairing defenseman they should get an ample opportunity.
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Mar 27 @ 5:53 PM ET
After 5 drafts of picking in the top five the results thus far have not been the best. Lets be honest here.
- Cptmjl


You could also state that 1 of those 5 are currently playing for us
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 27 @ 5:59 PM ET
After 5 drafts of picking in the top five the results thus far have not been the best. Lets be honest here.
- Cptmjl



They aren't normally for ANY team in that situation.

XxNYIxX
wdancdn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Guelph, ON
Joined: 01.29.2013

Mar 27 @ 6:12 PM ET
Too early to judge most of the top-five picks. We're not really sure how Nino, Strome and Reinhart will be. Just for the sake of argument, what if Nino becomes an effective first or second-line finisher, Strome becomes a legit second-line center, and Reinhart becomes a strong defensive presence. Combined with Tavares, that'd be 4/5. Of course, all three could underperform and it'd be a bad track record...who knows?
- UIF


To me, what's worse is that your organization has guys like Andrei Pedan who you drafted in 3rd round (a steal in my opinion), and haven't signed him to an entry level yet. If this kid gets away and re-enters the draft, the Isles need to really look at the way they manage their draft picks.

I honestly was super excited to see how awesome this team would look in 2 years, but now I am just confused at how talent is managed.

For the record, I have made bets that Isles would contend for a cup within 3 seasons, but starting to wonder a little bit.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Mar 27 @ 6:19 PM ET
I'm not overly impressed with the results thus far after 5 years of doing nothing but drafting. If that's your only focus I'd expect better results. As far as the "ifs" again we'll see. Those are lofty ifs. Out of the bunch Strome is the only one I'm excited about but we'll see. On a team where Boyes is a first line player and Carkner is a first pairing defenseman they should get an ample opportunity.
- Cptmjl


What do you mean "results" though? Three of the five top-five picks didn't play in the NHL this year. If they had, we'd rightly be complaining about them being rushed again. Was Strome's season a disappointment? Nino's with Bridgeport? I guess Reinhart's could have been better from some things I read.

I don't think the "ifs" are too lofty. Lofty ifs would be saying Nino becomes a top-line power forward, Strome becomes 1a center to Tavares' 1, and Reinhart becomes a complete three-zone top-pair d-man. I don't think that'll happen, but I think all have a decent chance of filling needed roles effectively.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Mar 27 @ 6:24 PM ET
To me, what's worse is that your organization has guys like Andrei Pedan who you drafted in 3rd round (a steal in my opinion), and haven't signed him to an entry level yet. If this kid gets away and re-enters the draft, the Isles need to really look at the way they manage their draft picks.

I honestly was super excited to see how awesome this team would look in 2 years, but now I am just confused at how talent is managed.

For the record, I have made bets that Isles would contend for a cup within 3 seasons, but starting to wonder a little bit.

- wdancdn


I think a lot of people would be pretty pissed off if the Isles didn't sign Pedan...I don't think they'll let him get away...I hope not. That said, on your bigger point, I have plenty of problems with management decisions of the New York Islanders. You're braver than I am making actual bets on their success
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Mar 27 @ 6:24 PM ET
After 5 drafts of picking in the top five the results thus far have not been the best. Lets be honest here.
- Cptmjl


WAAAAAY too early to start calling draft picks one way or the other. In addition, we have 4 drafts of picking in the top 5 (Bailey was selected 9).

So we have:
Tavares, Nino, Strome & Reinhart. Tavares is obviously a legit star and while some will say that was a slam dunk, I'd remind them that at the time of the draft, there was a lot of debate about the three-headed monster of Tavares/Duschene/Hedman. Nino should join the team next year so we'll find out over the next 2-3 years how that went. Strome is nearly as sure of a bet as Tavares was. Elite skill, another star in the making. Reinhart can very easliy become our number 1 dman. While I'll concede that our pick of Bailey wasn't a favorite of mine, he's not a terrible player and could simply be a late bloomer. Granted we traded out of a top five spot but none of the players available to us at that time have exactly set the world on fire. We could have drafted Filatov.

Regardless, I don't see how anyone can say the last four years of 1st rounders weren't the best but then when countered with the potential of these players potential respond by saying "we'll see".
I'd say our draft record has been pretty decent when you consider some players that Snow brought in in later rounds.
It's said that approximately 63% of 1st round picks go on to have lengthy NHL careers. Only a small portion of them actually reach the NHL in the first two years. Certainly with kids being drafted at 18 years old these days, it's tough to say that we've been unsucessful with top 5 picks when the oldest not currently playing isn't old enough to drink.
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