mmm
Girardi-Mcdonagh
Staal-Del Zotto

best in the east
- TheNugeIsHuge

mmm not playing like it

I'll take Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Jay-Bo over any 4 D in the east.
3. Letang, Orpik, Martin, Murray
2. Subban, Markov, Georges, Emelin
1. Chara, Boychuk, Hamilton, Seidenberg

mmm
Girardi-Mcdonagh
Staal-Del Zotto

best in the east
- TheNugeIsHuge

debatable.....ottawa's top 4 would be WAAAAYYYY better offensively, but not THAT much worse defensively.

and any defense looks good playing in front of lundqvist.....i personally think that girardi and del zotto are pretty overrated. not bad players, but not as good as some people make them out to be.

pretty crappy of Kipper, I think if you do not want to be traded then sign a full NMC. Only reason not to get a full NMC for a player making that much money is the fact that he didn't want to take a pay cut to get the clause.

By refusing to report as a pre-emptive move to get that NMC he is just showing how much of a douche he is. Get all the millions you can and then refuse to move for a year and a half.

Hockey players are so damn spoiled, I hope they crucify him in Calgary, run him out of town.
- Steven_Dean

not married to his job

debatable.....ottawa's top 4 would be WAAAAYYYY better offensively, but not THAT much worse defensively.

and any defense looks good playing in front of lundqvist.....i personally think that girardi and del zotto are pretty overrated. not bad players, but not as good as some people make them out to be.
- sensarmy_11

Also, sadly, we'll have to wait a year to know for sure where Karlsson is as a player.

It seems pretty selfish to me. Flyers may have the same type of problem with briere apparently may not waive his NMC if asked. Although he is hurt so it may no matter.
- PhillyFran

He just had a kid, and is 36. I think not.

Poor Kipper, a man among boys. This was like an AHL team playing an NHL team.
And I think Iggy was making a case for being a Hawk, scoring on himself. Jk. He was soft though, not hitting or crashing the net or fighting. Disappointed about that.

Oh well. Too bad our best player is the untradeable one.

Mr T was better than any forward on the ice for Calgary tonight.

not married to his job
- all mighty oil

MONSTER!!! HE'S GOT A CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the difference is that sundin had a lot of value, kipper really doesn't. even really good goalies, who are young, and in their prime, don't generte much of a return. old, expensive, and, let's face it, at this point, very average goalies won't get anything in return for their teams.

if calgary would have been able to get a good return for him, then perhaps i could understand the anger.....but look at the market, the supply vs the demand, and ask yourself, HONESTLY, who would have taken him, and what would they have offered?
- sensarmy_11

so are you saying, his decision isbased on what HE thinks hes worth on the market, or what he thinks the flames would get in return for him? by assumption he would deduce by your logic hes not worth alot, and see that him moving his whole family for a 2nd rounder is not worth it.... if thats the case, he can rot...at the end of the day, its a (frank)ing game. hes paid millions, the fmaily in no way shape or form will suffer, unless the family is (frank)ed internaly and to be honest i find it a bit sad on his part. considering all the other families that would "love" to be home with their newkids. They deserve every dollar they earn, but they also have to assume the responsibilities that come with it.

Sure as hell is no difference between a week on the road and 3 months.

I challenge you to leave your newborn for three months. If you say "sure, fine, no problem, I'd love to" then I fear for your child.
- muffin_man

Relax bro, I was exaggerating. Like others have said, he could easily move his family anywhere, and honour his contract.

But this pre-emptive move on his part is a straight up douche move.

Sundin had a pansy ass excuse. Kipper has a newborn (or so I've been led to believe). Again, if you wouldnt care about being away from your kid, I pity your kid.

He chose the profession, he can choose to walk away as well.
- muffin_man

then he should walk away. Choose to retire. Right now he has handcuffed Calgary. Can't trade him and can't use him. He could have easily gotten a full NMC if he was willing to get paid less, he wasn't so now he has to live with the consequences.

If he TRULY wants to be with his family and that is why he doesn't want to be traded then he should do the honorable thing and tell Feaster "If I am not apart of your plans for the rest of my contract I will retire now and you don't have to pay me. remove the cap hit so you can rebuild properly." But no, he wont do that because he, like so many others, only care about the dollars.

Selfish millionaires, every one of them.

Relax bro, I was exaggerating. Like others have said, he could easily move his family anywhere, and honour his contract.

But this pre-emptive move on his part is a straight up douche move.
- takeyourvitamins

so are you saying, his decision isbased on what HE thinks hes worth on the market, or what he thinks the flames would get in return for him? by assumption he would deduce by your logic hes not worth alot, and see that him moving his whole family for a 2nd rounder is not worth it.... if thats the case, he can rot...at the end of the day, its a (frank)ing game. hes paid millions, the fmaily in no way shape or form will suffer, unless the family is (frank)ed internaly and to be honest i find it a bit sad on his part. considering all the other families that would "love" to be home with their newkids. They deserve every dollar they earn, but they also have to assume the responsibilities that come with it.
- munky123

well put

That is idiotic, he is getting paid $6M this season and does not have a NMC, so he should honor His signed contract.

If this is true, I would put him on waivers immediately, send to the Heat and suspend him when doesn't report
- Lanny9

I see you don't understand the dynamics of a family, with a newborn, after (literally) sacrificing your body AND being the best player on a mediocre to worse team for a decade. Oh yeah, also the cup run, and holding up a paperweight for this length.

To say he doesn't deserve this right, due to all of this, and then having this LEAKED, speaks worse about Flames management as a whole then him. And fans who speak like this are selfish at best and unappreciative.

then he should walk away. Choose to retire. Right now he has handcuffed Calgary. Can't trade him and can't use him. He could have easily gotten a full NMC if he was willing to get paid less, he wasn't so now he has to live with the consequences.

If he TRULY wants to be with his family and that is why he doesn't want to be traded then he should do the honorable thing and tell Feaster "If I am not apart of your plans for the rest of my contract I will retire now and you don't have to pay me. remove the cap hit so you can rebuild properly." But no, he wont do that because he, like so many others, only care about the dollars.

Selfish millionaires, every one of them.
- Steven_Dean

can't use him? he's a goaltender. you use him by having him tend your goal.

Relax bro, I was exaggerating. Like others have said, he could easily move his family anywhere, and honour his contract.

But this pre-emptive move on his part is a straight up douche move.
- takeyourvitamins

And as I've already said, when you have a newborn, people often move closer to their support systems. moving somewhere new is not going to accomplish that as I assume he has a network of friends ad doctors already established in Calgary (I have no idea where the mother is from)

who cares what he's getting paid, or whether he has a NMC. at the end of the day, he decided that his family is more important to HIM then the 2nd rd pick the flames would get for him.

if you honestly think that job comes before family, then i feel sorry for your family. he has a new born baby at home, and doesn't want to uproot his family for a year, only to have to likely move them again in a years time.

i get that you think it sucks as a flames fan (although i maintain that the return for him would have been minimal, if they could even move him) but if you can't understand his reasons, then you need to reevaluate your priorities in life.
- sensarmy_11

Who cares what he is getting is paid???? Obviously he cares or he would play in Finland and be with his family every night. He has been paid over $40M by the Flames, he has contract that says he can be traded and if he doesn't report, then he is in breach of contract, not debatable.

Feel sorry for my Family? I work my ass off to provide for them and yes, there are times my job takes me away from my family, yes I miss events because of work but at the end of the day, I need to work to feed and shelter them.

Kiprusoff was a 3 rd sting almost minor leaguer when the Flames traded for him and subsequently gave him a $35M contract. He earned it no question, but he signed a contract that he knew could mean be traded in the last 2 seasons.

The Flames have honoured every aspect of the contract including not asking him to waive in NMC in the first 4 years of the contract. The Flames conditions of the contract, No NMC clause the last 2 years, were clearly put in so they would have an asset to trade.

The Flames acquired Kari Ramo knowing they would likely trade Kiprusoff at either this year's deadline or at the draft and now that has been scuttled.

I have been a Kirprusoff fan since the day he was traded, have his Jersey and have a photo of him and I in my man room.... but this unprofessionalism is not acceptable.

I dont buy what Kypreos is saying. He's a bum.
Kipper was interviewed after his recent newborn and he didnt make it seem like he wasnt going to report if traded at all...

“Everything else is out of my control. So there’s no reason to think about it. At all. It’s NHL. Every year, it’s the same talk. A part of the game. My name is out there, too.

“But I can’t worry about it too much.”

I see you don't understand the dynamics of a family, with a newborn, after (literally) sacrificing your body AND being the best player on a mediocre to worse team for a decade. Oh yeah, also the cup run, and holding up a paperweight for this length.

To say he doesn't deserve this right, due to all of this, and then having this LEAKED, speaks worse about Flames management as a whole then him. And fans who speak like this are selfish at best and unappreciative.
- FLflames34

If it was so important to him, why not negotiate a full NMC?

I think Feaster is a poor GM, but leaking this is the right thing to do. How else is he going to answer the question as to why he won't be traded?

If it was so important to him, why not negotiate a full NMC?

I think Feaster is a poor GM, but leaking this is the right thing to do. How else is he going to answer the question as to why he won't be traded?
- takeyourvitamins

how long is his current deal? what are the odds 4? years ago he was expecting to have a newborn at the trade deadline?

If it was so important to him, why not negotiate a full NMC?

I think Feaster is a poor GM, but leaking this is the right thing to do. How else is he going to answer the question as to why he won't be traded?
- takeyourvitamins

No, leaking it has turned all goodwill and the knives on him. For a pittance of a potential trade return. Especially since this fantastic contract (signed at a discount mind you, one yr removed from his Vezina yr, and signed with the expectation management would build a contender) has a 1.5 mm payout next yr.
Does ANYONE believe he will play for 1.5mm next yr? No. And you call him a coward...he is the first of many of these types of contracts. I am sure Zetterberg, Kovy ect also will not play their 1mm final yrs.

So- get traded from your newborn to play at a new team for a month or two? IF he doesn't want to, he shouldn't.

Completely baffling the lack of appreciation shown by most of these posts. The best goalie in the history of the franchise. Yet- unlike Iginla, ppl only like Kipper when he wins. Iginla gets a pass, always has. Like, when he didn't want to get traded the last yr or yr before. I am sure he was asked. Did his refusal get leaked to the media?

Again, a lot of talk here obviously forgetting the past, and the sacrifice. All whining because Calgary may not get 1 fricking 2nd rd pick (at best). And pretty much telling the best goalie in the 33 yr history FU for wanting to be with your baby.

I've agreed with you on many many things, but this I whole heartedly disagree. Kipper signed a front loaded contract for this very reason. Many suspect he isn't even going to play next year, especially with a new born now.

As you said, hockey is a game and he has played it. He played the front loaded contract. He has played the honesty card with Calgary at every step. And he has played every game to give Calgary a chance to win.

Personally, if Calgary knows he is going to retire at the end of this year... trading him for a 3rd round pick or something is insulting.

how long is his current deal? what are the odds 4? years ago he was expecting to have a newborn at the trade deadline?
- muffin_man

How is that the club's fault?

I can see we won't agree. In my opinion, he's not man of his word, and I lost a lot of respect for him today.

how long is his current deal? what are the odds 4? years ago he was expecting to have a newborn at the trade deadline?
- muffin_man

so what? I'm sure there are dozens of reasons why someone would not want to be traded, he could have agreed to be paid 1-2 million less to get the FULL NMC but he didn't.

If he really wants to be there for his family then why not retire? He gets to spend his entire time with his family (which by your reasoning is a good excuse to break a contract) and let the Flames free up 6M in cap.

Kind of screws Calgary asset-wise but at least he is doing the honorable thing for both his family and the team that paid him over 40M. But of course he won't, why give up those millions?

How is that the club's fault?

I can see we won't agree. In my opinion, he's not man of his word, and I lost a lot of respect for him today.
- takeyourvitamins

you don't even know if its true

No, leaking it has turned all goodwill and the knives on him. For a pittance of a potential trade return. Especially since this fantastic contract (signed at a discount mind you, one yr removed from his Vezina yr, and signed with the expectation management would build a contender) has a 1.5 mm payout next yr.
Does ANYONE believe he will play for 1.5mm next yr? No. And you call him a coward...he is the first of many of these types of contracts. I am sure Zetterberg, Kovy ect also will not play their 1mm final yrs.

So- get traded from your newborn to play at a new team for a month or two? IF he doesn't want to, he shouldn't.

Completely baffling the lack of appreciation shown by most of these posts. The best goalie in the history of the franchise. Yet- unlike Iginla, ppl only like Kipper when he wins. Iginla gets a pass, always has. Like, when he didn't want to get traded the last yr or yr before. I am sure he was asked. Did his refusal get leaked to the media?

Again, a lot of talk here obviously forgetting the past, and the sacrifice. All whining because Calgary may not get 1 fricking 2nd rd pick (at best). And pretty much telling the best goalie in the 33 yr history FU for wanting to be with your baby.
- FLflames34

then retire now and give Calgary the cap space.

Can anyone think of a reason why he shouldn't? hmmmm.

Again, a lot of talk here obviously forgetting the past, and the sacrifice. All whining because Calgary may not get 1 fricking 2nd rd pick (at best). And pretty much telling the best goalie in the 33 yr history FU for wanting to be with your baby.
- FLflames34

Yes, he worked for Minimum wage.....NOPE $33.5 over the last 5 years.... $7.1 M a year, where his his gratitude for making it so his Family is provided for..... forever?