What a piece of garbage, hes done and knows it. let him rot in calgary

i think the cap hit would lower his value a little, but there would still be offers. i know lots of sens fans, myself included, would love to see him in ottawa. many of us feel that he could thrive playing in macleans system, especially without the pressure of having to be "the guy". obviously what fans want, and what management want, aren't exactly the same, but most people are comfortable with a deal of bishop and a good pick or prospect....and sens take all the cap hit
- sensarmy_11

I hear ya. Though in the proper system Jbo can be quite effective. I was actually agreeing with Yost the other day in that he would fit nicely under MacLeans coaching style.

Good read and you are right on. Kipper has the right not to report and the team has the right not to pay him. Problem is by announcing he would not report makes him untradeable right now and the Flames have to pay him.
- Champ

I'm sure if the Flames had that information they wouldn't put him in a trade...
The GM affected would definitely not be pleased to give up assets in exchange for nothing....
IF that GM found out that the Flames organization knew it would damage Feasters relationship with that GM and maybe more around the league.

That said I wonder if there is some penalty that could be dealt to Calgary if that situation came up

I hear ya. Though in the proper system Jbo can be quite effective. I was actually agreeing with Yost the other day in that he would fit nicely under MacLeans coaching style.
- Colin Dambrauskas

i think he'd be great, and it would give ottawa one of, if not the best top 4's in the east

karlsson - methot
cowen - jbo

that's a beautiful mix of offense, defense, and physicality

I still don't understand why people are mad about this.

the ONLY team that would want him would be one who is a contender RIGHT NOW, and is ONLY missing a goalie, and has the cap space to bring him in.

can anyone name a team in that situation? i sure as hell can't.

look at the teams who need goalies right now. they're all atleast 2-3 years away from being legit threats, they're all young, why would any of them want a 36 year old goalie, with a massive cap hit, who's almost surely done next year?

all the teams who are ready to compete this year or next year are all set in goal.

anaheim, boston, pitt, chicago, LA, montreal, rangers, vancouver, ottawa......i'd even put the leafs in there, cuz at this point in his career, i really don't think kipper is much better than reimer, if he even is better.
- sensarmy_11

I don't think Calgary would get much of a return for him. If a team was hard up for a goalie you would have to think they would rather get a young guy like Bernier.

The guy has a newborn baby, and guaranteed it's the number one priority in his life now, not hockey.

I'm sure if the Flames had that information they wouldn't put him in a trade...
The GM affected would definitely not be pleased to give up assets in exchange for nothing....
IF that GM found out that the Flames organization knew it would damage Feasters relationship with that GM and maybe more around the league.

That said I wonder if there is some penalty that could be dealt to Calgary if that situation came up
- goblix

Yes - slap shot to the abdomen by Whipper.

I don't think Calgary would get much of a return for him. If a team was hard up for a goalie you would have to think they would rather get a young guy like Bernier.

The guy has a newborn baby, and guaranteed it's the number one priority in his life now, not hockey.
- Scruffton

not just bernier....think of all the goalies who will likely be available either at the deadline, or offseason:

bernier, bishop, hiller, backstrom, smith, luongo, khudobin.....hell, there are even rumblings that miller and halak could be had.

that's a lot of really good goalies who will/might be available, and not that many teams who have a real need for adding a goalie.

i just don't see any team who would have wanted him anyways.

who cares what he's getting paid, or whether he has a NMC. at the end of the day, he decided that his family is more important to HIM then the 2nd rd pick the flames would get for him.

if you honestly think that job comes before family, then i feel sorry for your family. he has a new born baby at home, and doesn't want to uproot his family for a year, only to have to likely move them again in a years time.

i get that you think it sucks as a flames fan (although i maintain that the return for him would have been minimal, if they could even move him) but if you can't understand his reasons, then you need to reevaluate your priorities in life.
- sensarmy_11

did you feel the same way when nabokov told the islanders to (frank) off? listen im a family guy first, but at the end of the day you chose the type of work you get into. My job as a jman electrician can take me anywhere and everywhere. i chose to stay local instead of working out of town because i love being next to my girl. i make a between 70-100 grand a year. its my choice because i chose the work and the comapny. its not the same industry as a person who plays sports. He makes more in 1 game than i do a year. If at his age, well in his 30s, he has to move with the family to a new place only to return a few years later with a great retiremnt its not the end of the world, and again, its what he signed up for.

kipper, plays a game, makes millions and has a road life as well. he plays maybe 8 months a year, and can afford more luxaries than most. No player is bigger than anyteam. sorry... we as fans for sure have to be sympathetic to a death or a family emergency no question. but when you sign up for the game you sign up with all that comes with it, and that includes trades. What he has done to the team and the fans that have paid him good mmoney is make it difficult for them to get better if the oppertunity arose. i dotn like it. woot a millionair had a kid, and wants to be close....
(frank) i live next to people who have 3 and live on a single income... who would love to be home next to the kids but cant becasue they work 2 jobs to make ends meat. this guy chosing family at 35+, will retire in a few years with millions because of a game and cant accept a move? i think he can suck it up for a year or 2... not to sound harsh or anything.

edit ill add that kipper unless he has a ntc has no say what the business side of the game has in store for him. and thats a trade

Disagree. If he can't be away from his child, why is he going on road trips? He's a professional athlete for (frank)s sake.
- takeyourvitamins

Sure as hell is no difference between a week on the road and 3 months.

I challenge you to leave your newborn for three months. If you say "sure, fine, no problem, I'd love to" then I fear for your child.

pretty crappy of Kipper, I think if you do not want to be traded then sign a full NMC. Only reason not to get a full NMC for a player making that much money is the fact that he didn't want to take a pay cut to get the clause.

By refusing to report as a pre-emptive move to get that NMC he is just showing how much of a douche he is. Get all the millions you can and then refuse to move for a year and a half.

Hockey players are so damn spoiled, I hope they crucify him in Calgary, run him out of town.

Gotcha...so taking his kid to say, Toronto for one year of his infant life will traumatize him. Interesting.
- Colin Dambrauskas

wouldn't it traumatize you to be in Toronto for a year?

Also, you may note I said leaving his child behind. I assure you a new mother doesn't want to move away from her doctors and support system any more than Kipper wants to leave his kid.

But as you already said, it's completely irrelevant what any of us think about it.

rebuilds are easy...just gotta win a fixed lottery for the best player in the game
- flashfire

Tin foil hat on too tight?

Look, the Pens sucked for the first part of the 2000's, but the management saw it and rebuilt instead of retooling. Just need somebody to recognize the truth and act on it.

Sure as hell is no difference between a week on the road and 3 months.

I challenge you to leave your newborn for three months. If you say "sure, fine, no problem, I'd love to" then I fear for your child.
- muffin_man

Of course it's tough, but it is also part of his job. It happens.

Of course it's tough, but it is also part of his job. It happens.
- Champ

And he chose not to let it happen because he has his priorities straight. If the Flames have a problem with it, suspend him like the Bruins did with Thomas.

Sure as hell is no difference between a week on the road and 3 months.

I challenge you to leave your newborn for three months. If you say "sure, fine, no problem, I'd love to" then I fear for your child.
- muffin_man

i agree with you on most things ( albeit silently) but cmon you are playing a game for a living. you know what youre getting yourself into. if the team needs to trade you, you have to go. youre compensated quite well. think about it, imagine a run of the mill 15 year vet trying to say this to a gm. would it even be getting traction in the media? or is everyone in a huff because its kipper. they guy retires in a few years and then can be with his kids 24/7 for 50+ years.

flame fans have to live with the potential loss he brings. think ala sundin and what that did to Tdot... sick really

i think he'd be great, and it would give ottawa one of, if not the best top 4's in the east

karlsson - methot
cowen - jbo

that's a beautiful mix of offense, defense, and physicality
- sensarmy_11

I need someone to really sell Jay Bouwmeester to me. I don't see him play a lot but from the stats I don't see his play better than what it was in FLA. I know he's playing better this year but how much better? Calgary fans help me here

I also don't know what's worth trading for his 6.68 cap hit

khabi be the only good 35+ goalie in Alberta

Tin foil hat on too tight?

Look, the Pens sucked for the first part of the 2000's, but the management saw it and rebuilt instead of retooling. Just need somebody to recognize the truth and act on it.
- batjester

I was thinking along these lines as well. No one seems to be pointing their pitchforks at the guys who didn't trade Kipper last year or 2 years ago when everyone around the league said they should to properly rebuild.

i agree with you on most things ( albeit silently) but cmon you are playing a game for a living. you know what youre getting yourself into. if the team needs to trade you, you have to go. youre compensated quite well. think about it, imagine a run of the mill 15 year vet trying to say this to a gm. would it even be getting traction in the media? or is everyone in a huff because its kipper. they guy retires in a few years and then can be with his kids 24/7 for 50+ years.

flame fans have to live with the potential loss he brings. think ala sundin and what that did to Tdot... sick really
- munky123

agreed, besides if he truly wants to be with his family then why doesn't he retire? Oh right because of the millions he makes. Trades are apart of the game, the risk you take to get paid a fortune a year, Kipper is a tool.

i agree with you on most things ( albeit silently) but cmon you are playing a game for a living. you know what youre getting yourself into. if the team needs to trade you, you have to go. youre compensated quite well. think about it, imagine a run of the mill 15 year vet trying to say this to a gm. would it even be getting traction in the media? or is everyone in a huff because its kipper. they guy retires in a few years and then can be with his kids 24/7 for 50+ years.

flame fans have to live with the potential loss he brings. think ala sundin and what that did to Tdot... sick really
- munky123

the difference is that sundin had a lot of value, kipper really doesn't. even really good goalies, who are young, and in their prime, don't generte much of a return. old, expensive, and, let's face it, at this point, very average goalies won't get anything in return for their teams.

if calgary would have been able to get a good return for him, then perhaps i could understand the anger.....but look at the market, the supply vs the demand, and ask yourself, HONESTLY, who would have taken him, and what would they have offered?

i think he'd be great, and it would give ottawa one of, if not the best top 4's in the east

karlsson - methot
cowen - jbo

that's a beautiful mix of offense, defense, and physicality
- sensarmy_11

mmm
Girardi-Mcdonagh
Staal-Del Zotto

best in the east

i agree with you on most things ( albeit silently) but cmon you are playing a game for a living. you know what youre getting yourself into. if the team needs to trade you, you have to go. youre compensated quite well. think about it, imagine a run of the mill 15 year vet trying to say this to a gm. would it even be getting traction in the media? or is everyone in a huff because its kipper. they guy retires in a few years and then can be with his kids 24/7 for 50+ years.

flame fans have to live with the potential loss he brings. think ala sundin and what that did to Tdot... sick really
- munky123

Sundin had a pansy ass excuse. Kipper has a newborn (or so I've been led to believe). Again, if you wouldnt care about being away from your kid, I pity your kid.

He chose the profession, he can choose to walk away as well.

And he chose not to let it happen because he has his priorities straight. If the Flames have a problem with it, suspend him like the Bruins did with Thomas.
- muffin_man

I agree. Enough with the Kipper talk! I myself don't like it [for calgary, for hockey] but it happens. I respect his family being first so whoever has a problem- nothing you can do. He's staying in Calgary and no one's talking about it. Case closed.

I for one want to see the Flames do some good things-- at the deadline, at the draft, and moving forward. Kipper is good for a rebuilding team

Of course it's tough, but it is also part of his job. It happens.
- Champ

and if you don't like your job or the location of your job - quit

I agree. Enough with the Kipper talk! I myself don't like it
- AlfieisKing[for calgary, for hockey] but it happens. I respect his family being first so whoever has a problem with it understand nothing you can do about it. He's staying in Calgary and no one's talking about it.

I for one want to see the Flames do some good things-- at the deadline, at the draft, and moving forward. Kipper is good for a rebuilding team

I've wanted the rebuild for years and the flames are roughly my 6th favorite team. I can fully relate though after watching 15 years of Habs playing 6th-10th hockey every year...