i'd fire lava right now. i really would. - hammarby31
agreed. i'm not giving up on homer or the kids yet though. no matter how bad this is, one (shortened) season isn't enough to convince me that they need to totally nuke the whole thing
I blame the "win now" mentality. There is no patience with youth in this organization. Everyone in the league knows defense takes longer to develop, but they just cant sit on a guy and wait it out. Then they go apesh!t and try to get a groomed defender after the fact, instead of investing in the position for the long haul. - the deaninator
If you are talking about the Pronger for Sbisa trade I make that deal every time.
1. You were still getting a Chris Pronger towards the end of his prime ..that is one of the greatest dmen ever to play.
2. They got 2 wins from a cup
3. Please dont give me he got hurt because their is no way to know that.
Now if you wwant to say they moved Bob too soon, I would agree with that.
As long as it results in Couturier playing more minutes, I am for it. - Jsaquella
Absolutely. I'd hate to see a Dom Brown type situation were they flip flop and mess with a young mans mind. Couts has it, ask Malkin. second year for a young kid playing tough minutes we should expect a dropoff.
I blame the "win now" mentality. There is no patience with youth in this organization. Everyone in the league knows defense takes longer to develop, but they just cant sit on a guy and wait it out. Then they go apesh!t and try to get a groomed defender after the fact, instead of investing in the position for the long haul. - the deaninator
They waited on the 3 guys I listed, especially Marshall and Bartulis. They just were never good enough. I mean, after a year or 2 in the AHL, if a guy isn't improving, he's not going to improve. I think this whole thing with lack of patience with youth is overblown and is a relic from 5-7+ years ago
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Mar 26 @ 10:30 PM ET
I wasn't talking about Gonchar, but the team as a whole.
edit: Also, they might be good this year, but an old Gonchar is not a long term solution anyway. Flyers pin their hopes on overachievers overachieving again and then suck when they don't. - feelingkettle
A big thing, and dead on.
Aside from a coaching change there need to be other big changes. This organization needs to once and for all find an indentity and stick with it. Find and draft players that fit such an identity. They throw together a bunch of guys without really looking at the total make-up of a team. These are not all horrific players but there are far too many who are simply complimentary pieces and dont initiate enough.
Too many guys who are decent in a few areas but dont really excel in one. Too many guys who are chronically inconsistent, and are pretty damn averrage if now below average in the defensive game.
This inconsistency was here under Hitch and Stevens also. You can change all the coaches you want, and I agree with replacing Lava. However until they fix the larger organizational issues the same problems will happen over and over.
The Flyers from top to bottom need to set a course and go with it. Send off those who do not fit a culture of consistency, hard work in all areas of the ice, and only bring in players who have that within them already. There are plenty of players who have talent, are good in the defensive zone and do not have such big questions about consistency in every draft.
Do this rebuild slow, and do it right. It may mean some tough seasons, but at least they are moving in the right direction. Instead of running around like headless chickens, which has directly translated down to the team on the ice.
They need a culture change, from top to bottom, and quite honestly they failed at it big time, or didnt complete it fully when they sent out Richards/Carter, and said they wanted a culture change.
This team used to be respected first and foremost for its hard work and hard nose style of play.
Absolutely. I'd hate to see a Dom Brown type situation were they flip flop and mess with a young mans mind. Couts has it, ask Malkin. second year for a young kid playing tough minutes we should expect a dropoff. - jstross
Only problem is Lavi isnt giving him the minutes. Thats not going to help the kid b/c he has no confidence right now. He isnt playing that well in his own end either.
I REPEAT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
I REPEAT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
I REPEAT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
I REPEAT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
I REPEAT MYSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS
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- Giroux_Is_God
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And I'm off to help my expectant wife. At least I get a first round pick this June!
I blame the "win now" mentality. There is no patience with youth in this organization. Everyone in the league knows defense takes longer to develop, but they just cant sit on a guy and wait it out. Then they go apesh!t and try to get a groomed defender after the fact, instead of investing in the position for the long haul. - the deaninator
If they would just pick one way to "Win Now" it'd be better. The Devils plan to win now, but they have a way of doing things and they don't radically change it. The Flyers used to do that, under Keith Allen.
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Mar 26 @ 10:31 PM ET
A big thing, and dead on.
Aside from a coaching change there need to be other big changes. This organization needs to once and for all find an indentity and stick with it. Find and draft players that fit such an identity. They throw together a bunch of guys without really looking at the total make-up of a team. These are not all horrific players but there are far too many who are simply complimentary pieces and dont initiate enough.
Too many guys who are decent in a few areas but dont really excel in one. Too many guys who are chronically inconsistent, and are pretty damn averrage if now below average in the defensive game.
This inconsistency was here under Hitch and Stevens also. You can change all the coaches you want, and I agree with replacing Lava. However until they fix the larger organizational issues the same problems will happen over and over.
The Flyers from top to bottom need to set a course and go with it. Send off those who do not fit a culture of consistency, hard work in all areas of the ice, and only bring in players who have that within them already. There are plenty of players who have talent, are good in the defensive zone and do not have such big questions about consistency in every draft.
Do this rebuild slow, and do it right. It may mean some tough seasons, but at least they are moving in the right direction. Instead of running around like headless chickens, which has directly translated down to the team on the ice.
They need a culture change, from top to bottom, and quite honestly they failed at it big time, or didnt complete it fully when they sent out Richards/Carter, and said they wanted a culture change.
This team used to be respected first and foremost for its hard work and hard nose style of play. - flyer_nutter
they've already built two cup winners this century so stop it! Just ask Carolina and Los Angeles!
If you are talking about the Pronger for Sbisa trade I make that deal every time.
1. You were still getting a Chris Pronger towards the end of his prime ..that is one of the greatest dmen ever to play.
2. They got 2 wins from a cup
3. Please dont give me he got hurt because their is no way to know that.
Now if you wwant to say they moved Bob too soon, I would agree with that. - opeth_pa
No, not the Pronger trade. But name the last defensman they have drafted that has amounted to anything more than a bottom pairing player.
How about benching Briere and using the untouchable trade chip Sean Couturier in his place? How about benching Hartnell and using McGinn? Or rewarding a guy whose work ethic has been unquestionable this year in Rinaldo? - Jsaquella
how about putting gagne on the top line instead of talbot
