yea from 06 to 2010 he was awesome. Players don't continue to put those numbers up.

Last three seasons just under 30 goals.

So basically the Hurricanes are paying him a premium price for the back end of his career. Have fun while his point totals continue to drop.
- BallardHitsHard22

Because obviously his point totals will drop every season..... except this one where his points per game pace has risen from the past 2 years...

3 seasons ago was his 40g season.

The "backend" of his career... when he isn't even 30 yet.

You're worried about his goals scored when he's been a playmaker for us all season and not the sniper you're expecting.

I've already agreed I think we are paying too much. You just need to relax and stop arguing because your reasoning is baseless in all of your posts. Go worry about getting a 30g scorer of your own, you haven't had one since 08-09??

Oh cmon...that's absolutely horrible. Did you watch that year or just Google it? That run was built around 30 minutes of Niedermayer, 30 minutes of Pronger and Giguere playing at an elite level.
- CarolinaMatt63

Come on Matt, don't cloud his propaganda with facts. His lil head might go *pop* Besides, he's already shown that his reading comprehension is subpar at best.

Zdeno Chara makes 6.9 for the next 4 years. Semin makes 7. That contract is awful. Sorry. Look around the league. 7 million is a far overpayment

Zdeno Chara makes 6.9 for the next 4 years. Semin makes 7. That contract is awful. Sorry. Look around the league. 7 million is a far overpayment
- Mahewman

Yeah, and that doesn't bother you? Chara is truly at the end of his prime, he will not be worth 6.9 milly when that last year rolls around.

Yeah, and that doesn't bother you? Chara is truly at the end of his prime, he will not be worth 6.9 milly when that last year rolls around.
- Mr_Clean

At the end his cap hit is 4. And i think he will still be an effective player.

Zdeno Chara makes 6.9 for the next 4 years. Semin makes 7. That contract is awful. Sorry. Look around the league. 7 million is a far overpayment
- Mahewman

Agreed 7mil is too much. However, apples and oranges.

Different positions
Different type of play
Chara is 7 years older and this is his last contract of his career.
Different team
Different market
Different owners

Comparing the two makes about as much sense as comparing Semin's contract to Rick DiPietro that would make it look amazing. At least make an effort to compare similar players.

While I like the Bruins, get that BS out of here

At the end his cap hit is 4. And i think he will still be an effective player.
- Mahewman

Wait, what?

How's that work?

Agreed 7mil is too much. However, apples and oranges.

Different positions
Different type of play
Chara is 7 years older and this is his last contract of his career.
Different team
Different market
Different owners

Comparing the two makes about as much sense as comparing Semin's contract to Rick DiPietro that would make it look amazing. At least make an effort to compare similar players.

While I like the Bruins, get that BS out of here
- T_Cane0

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range. Kopitar, Bergeron, Tavares, James Neal, Jamie Benn, Zetterberg (6), Kesler, Evander Kane, Toews (6.3), Patrick Kane (6.3)

I can keep going.

Speaking similar comparisons. How about this one...

Marian Gaborik is mainly offensive and considered a soft player. All you are looking for out of him is offense. 2 years age difference. Meanwhile he's on a 5 year contract making 7.5mil a season.

There are fair comparisons in the league around the same number in which semin looks to be better. So, all of you can complain that he is overpaid and I'll agree with you, but it isn't the first time, it won't the last, and this contract isn't the worst around.

Wait, what?

How's that work?
- Mr_Clean

I think he has one year at 4 million. I don't know why but he does.

Wait, what?

How's that work?
- Mr_Clean

It's true, according to capgeek... But, he's still a 6.9 mill cap hit at the ages of 39 and 40... I wouldn't want that. Even 4 at 41 is a lot.

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range. Kopitar, Bergeron, Tavares, James Neal, Jamie Benn, Zetterberg (6), Kesler, Evander Kane, Toews (6.3), Patrick Kane (6.3)

I can keep going.
- Mahewman

Toews and Kane making 6.3 is taking the 'home team discount', or team that drafted them discount... However you want to put the it, it's the sign of loyalty and faith most players show with the team that draft them. Plus they were probably trying not to blow the team up too hard, after all, who doesn't wanna keep winning?

*Edit* Now that I think about it... Most of them signed their deals with their drafted teams.. Tavares even talked about not trying to break the bank for the Isles with his contract.

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range. Kopitar, Bergeron, Tavares, James Neal, Jamie Benn, Zetterberg (6), Kesler, Evander Kane, Toews (6.3), Patrick Kane (6.3)

I can keep going.
- Mahewman

Ok, that's great, but how many of these players were pending UFAs the last time they signed a contract? How many of them have 40 goal seasons? How many have 80 point seasons? How many of them are established PPG forward.

Yes, I know, some of them are 'grittier' than Semin. But so what? Not every elite scorer has to be gritty as well. Patrick Kane isn't, James Neal plays physical but is dirty, Tavares isn't a mucker by any stretch and I would say Zetterberg plays a pretty 'finesse' game as well.

Doesn't mean they are neccessarily bad at defence. Doesn't mean they are not worth a lot of money.

Because obviously his point totals will drop every season..... except this one where his points per game pace has risen from the past 2 years...

3 seasons ago was his 40g season.

The "backend" of his career... when he isn't even 30 yet.

You're worried about his goals scored when he's been a playmaker for us all season and not the sniper you're expecting.

I've already agreed I think we are paying too much. You just need to relax and stop arguing because your reasoning is baseless in all of your posts. Go worry about getting a 30g scorer of your own, you haven't had one since 08-09??
- T_Cane0

We are talking about the Hurricanes and Semin. Don't turn it around on the Panthers, an organization that has no idea how to run a hockey team, I know how pathetic the Panthers are, you don't have to be classless and turn around a topic just because you're getting upset that other bloggers are right in that Semin isn't worth this money. Don't be mad, just accept your GM took a page out of the Panthers handbook labeled "GM for Dummies"

It's true, according to capgeek... But, he's still a 6.9 mill cap hit at the ages of 39 and 40... I wouldn't want that. Even 4 at 41 is a lot.
- LotekLeafs

Yeah, I mean if he loses a step out there... He'll be a pylon. A huge pylon with a booming shot... But a pylon just the same.

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range. Kopitar, Bergeron, Tavares, James Neal, Jamie Benn, Zetterberg (6), Kesler, Evander Kane, Toews (6.3), Patrick Kane (6.3)

I can keep going.
- Mahewman

To be fair, almost all of those guys would likely demand more money if they needed to be extended today.

Yeah, I mean if he loses a step out there... He'll be a pylon. A huge pylon with a booming shot... But a pylon just the same.
- Mr_Clean

His shot will forever scare the manliest of men... no doubt.

Bad reputation? You mean as in people ripping him AFTER he left the team? By the way, how is that team doing this year? I mean, they got rid of the cancer right? Surely they must be tearing the league up. Oooohhhh, that right. Insinuating that Semin was THE ROOT CAUSE of all the issues in Washington undermines the character of every player on that team as well as that of the coaching staff and management. Then again, it's so easy to pin everyone's disappointments on one guy.

I cannot believe how up in arms all of you are getting. Get a (frank)ing grip. Is it an expensive contract? Yes, but a 5 year, $7 mil per contract is far from earth shattering. No one has brought any sort of insightful conversation here, just pissing and moaning and trash talking. Then again, this is hockey buzz, so that is pretty much the norm.
- I_Am_Jebus

I like Semin and had hoped that the Caps would have been able to keep him last offseason at a reduced salary. I do think the 5 years/$7 mil is excessive, but maybe it works with the Carolina salary structure (I would have thought that the per year rate would be reduced with the assurance of a longer term). There have been rumblings of frustration about the guy for years, though, relative to effort, etc - you watch him at his best and you think that he is one of the top couple of talents in the league, then he disappears for games at a time (other than the mandatory hooking penalty or two). Maybe he is achieving a level of consistency in Carolina that he never did in DC - I don't watch him nightly now so I wouldn't be able to say.

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range.

Kopitar, His first contract signed, it is going to be smaller when they have RFA rights.
Bergeron, Not signed for his offensive skill and not really even comparable to Semin. Think J.STaal on this one which is on a 6mil salary also
Tavares, Ditto, RFA, first contract, and largely unestablished at the time of signing
James Neal, different type of player completely and pens get players to sign cheaper contracts to play on a perrenial cup team which the canes arent.
Jamie Benn, another RFA first contract and largely unestablished at the time of signing
Zetterberg (6), love him, signed cheap to keep his team in playoffs season after season
, Kesler, another Bergeron/Jstaal comparison, not semin.
Evander Kane, RFA, first contract, unestablished, etc again
Toews (6.3), RFA, first contract, unestablished, etc again
Patrick Kane (6.3) RFA, first contract, unestablished, etc again

I can keep going.
- Mahewman

You keep going all you want... none of them were a fair comparison. ALl under different circumstances and mostly COMPLETELY different types of players. I'm sure I could list a ton of RFAs who do well who don't get paid what they deserve too... great, but it doesn't prove anything about semin other than he isnt in his RFA years...

Alright let me list some forwards that are around the 5 million range. Kopitar, Bergeron, Tavares, James Neal, Jamie Benn, Zetterberg (6), Kesler, Evander Kane, Toews (6.3), Patrick Kane (6.3)

I can keep going.
- Mahewman

I'm too tired to research it right now, but which of those guys were UFA when they signed? Pretty sure most would have been RFA which is a completely different animal. Though there are exceptions, the market is much more limited for these guys because you have to give up a bunch of picks to get them and also because you know you really can't guarantee you get them even if they do sign the deal because of the matching rights.

We are talking about the Hurricanes and Semin. Don't turn it around on the Panthers, an organization that has no idea how to run a hockey team, I know how pathetic the Panthers are, you don't have to be classless and turn around a topic just because you're getting upset that other bloggers are right in that Semin isn't worth this money. Don't be mad, just accept your GM took a page out of the Panthers handbook labeled "GM for Dummies"
- BallardHitsHard22

Sorry brother. However, no anger over on this side. I've already stated I think he is paid too much. I'm just pointing out that all of your reasoning was pretty bad and in most cases, completely wrong.

However, if you're gonna take shots at my team (Even if I agree with the bad signing), expect a few across to your own

I like Semin and had hoped that the Caps would have been able to keep him last offseason at a reduced salary. I do think the 5 years/$7 mil is excessive, but maybe it works with the Carolina salary structure (I would have thought that the per year rate would be reduced with the assurance of a longer term). There have been rumblings of frustration about the guy for years, though, relative to effort, etc - you watch him at his best and you think that he is one of the top couple of talents in the league, then he disappears for games at a time (other than the mandatory hooking penalty or two). Maybe he is achieving a level of consistency in Carolina that he never did in DC - I don't watch him nightly now so I wouldn't be able to say.
- MadCap2008

I appreciate the sensible and thought out reply, sincerely. Like I said before, it's only been 30 games and I am not blind to that fact. Truth be told, he has looked very consistent over that timeframe and has been establishing a very solid rapport with E. Staal, which is a huge part of this extension. He has been solid at both ends of the rink and has been making things happen offensively with regularity. The biggest knock I have on him so far is that at times he tries to do too much himself and gets caught trying to be cute. It's a risk but sometimes you have to lay it all out there. JR saw enough to warrant this contract in his mind, so it's done and we'll see how it plays out.

You keep going all you want... none of them were a fair comparison. ALl under different circumstances and mostly COMPLETELY different types of players. I'm sure I could list a ton of RFAs who do well who don't get paid what they deserve too... great, but it doesn't prove anything about semin other than he isnt in his RFA years...
- T_Cane0

Idk i just don't think he is worth that much. His two big seasons were along Ovi when he was absolutely torching the league.. This year I think he was motivated with free agency looming.

I know they did it to prevent free agency from happening. I just find these recent signings to be absurd with the cap dropping. Getz at 8+ seems crazy too.

Idk i just don't think he is worth that much. His two big seasons were along Ovi when he was absolutely torching the league.. This year I think he was motivated with free agency looming.

I know they did it to prevent free agency from happening. I just find these recent signings to be absurd with the cap dropping. Getz at 8+ seems crazy too.
- Mahewman

I'll agree on all of those points. My point is that it isn't the worst signing I've seen either. If it keeps the canes in contention for the playoffs and makes Eric productive, I guess I can live with a contract that is .5-1mil a season overpaid.

Would you overpay 1mil for one of your players if Lucic wanted him to stay there? Hope that brings that point home.

I'll agree on all of those points. My point is that it isn't the worst signing I've seen either. If it keeps the canes in contention for the playoffs and makes Eric productive, I guess I can live with a contract that is .5-1mil a season overpaid.

Would you overpay 1mil for one of your players if Lucic wanted him to stay there? Hope that brings that point home.
- T_Cane0

I'd pay Krejci the extra million probably not Horton