the hell

Most of you are delusional to how valuable of a player is, and what price must be paid to getting a point per game player. If he hits the open market he gets more. He is a superstar talent/ and player. He is the main reason for E Staals resurrection, a full season I see them both bringing in around 90-100 points for the next 3-4 years. He's the reason people know who Tlustly is. It is not nearly as bad as the Getzlaf or Perry contracts. If you had to ask me who I'd rather have contract aside I still may take Semin then both of them.
- StaalsnUrinals

over getzlaf and perry? you are clueless.

if semin couldn't do it with backstrom and ovie on a regular basis.. what makes you think he's good for 5 years with the staals?

i can't think of a single nhl player more former teammates have openly ripped on for being gutless and not giving a poop about anything he does.

this is like trying to validate the leafs giving tim connolly almost 5 million a season.

All you idiots who think he's getting too much...how many games have you seen him play?!! I've seen him play for several years (against the Canes, who he scored on A LOT!!) He's been awesome this year! I never realized what a good playmaker he is, and i've seen every game this year! Oh, and by-the-way...he plays good defense too! Sorry folks you're uninformed if you think he's not worth every penny! Can't belief the craps let him go...THANKS!!
..ONE MORE THING i called this signing (including 5yrs at 7M per) about ten days ago!

[quote=joel878]over getzlaf and perry? you are clueless.

if semin couldn't do it with backstrom and ovie on a regular basis.. what makes you think he's good for 5 years with the staals?

you are aware that Semin was getting it done when he played with backstrom.
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from 2010-2012 he wasnt playing on a line with Backstrom and Backstrom was also hurt.

His numbers plummeted when he was playing by himself.

Please enlighten me why Getzlaf and Perry are so much better? How about you watch some games before going off on all things you hear.

[quote=joel878]over getzlaf and perry? you are clueless.

if semin couldn't do it with backstrom and ovie on a regular basis.. what makes you think he's good for 5 years with the staals?

you are aware that Semin was getting it done when he played with backstrom.
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from 2010-2012 he wasnt playing on a line with Backstrom and Backstrom was also hurt.

His numbers plummeted when he was playing by himself.

Please enlighten me why Getzlaf and Perry are so much better? How about you watch some games before going off on all things you hear.
- StaalsnUrinals

i watch carolina games, i watch tons of games.

you do realize that being such a crazy elite talent, that he couldn't draw more than a one year contract last offseason, right? as an unrestricted free agent, a can't miss player like that, open to 29 other teams.. can't draw more than a one year contract, and playing a good 30 games is just cause to be signed for 5 years at that kind of money?

his reputation precedes him. are all you carolina fans blown away by the idea he's winning you over in a contract year?

i'm not getting into the getzlaf, perry stuff. that's foolish.

you guys do realize that the only people on this entire board trying to validate why this contract isn't absolutely horrible, are all carolina fans, right? are you guys at any point questioning why you're the only group of fans who can spin a silver lining into this?

[quote=joel878]over getzlaf and perry? you are clueless.

if semin couldn't do it with backstrom and ovie on a regular basis.. what makes you think he's good for 5 years with the staals?

you are aware that Semin was getting it done when he played with backstrom.
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from 2010-2012 he wasnt playing on a line with Backstrom and Backstrom was also hurt.

His numbers plummeted when he was playing by himself.

Please enlighten me why Getzlaf and Perry are so much better? How about you watch some games before going off on all things you hear.
- StaalsnUrinals

Perry and Getz are proven playoff performers with shiny rings to prove it. They have already done more in their careers than he will in his no matter how long he floats around collecting money for. Semin has his old teammates telling people how lazy and greedy he is, that speaks for itself. Coming from someone who will know more than me , you or some random blogger ever will about it. His playoff stats are shameful for a "sniper" making that kind of money. Aside from that anyone on the other 28 teams would take getz or perry over semin in a heartbeat. As for the person who said he gave a discount.......clearly you have been drinking or something so I feel bad even pointing this out buuuuuuut LOL Where was he going to get that money aside from bad teams? Like carolina or fla ect. No team who thinks theyre close to winning would go close to 7 on that guy lol. Please share what you have I could also use an escape from reality

The guy I quoted and whoever said he gave a discount you just made my night was having a tough day so thank you, not even trying to be a richard. Thanks for the laugh, really needed it.

He is not a 7 million per year player.

All you idiots who think he's getting too much...how many games have you seen him play?!! I've seen him play for several years (against the Canes, who he scored on A LOT!!) He's been awesome this year! I never realized what a good playmaker he is, and i've seen every game this year! Oh, and by-the-way...he plays good defense too! Sorry folks you're uninformed if you think he's not worth every penny! Can't belief the craps let him go...THANKS!!
..ONE MORE THING i called this signing (including 5yrs at 7M per) about ten days ago!
- randycane

He's not worth 7 million. He's making for than the two studs on the Red Wings. Both are better than Semin, Carolina is stupid giving him 35 million over 5 years.

You always have to adjust for that strange Canadien vs. Russian bias.

Semin's career numbers are slightly better than Perry's. Both are coming off similar disappointing seasons last year. They are similar in age. Both are having good 2013 campaigns with good chemistry on very good 1st lines that are producing though Semin does get the slight nod stats-wise. Both are on the last year of their current deal and only about 3 months away from UFA status if the GM waits. And Perry's inability to control his temper past what most learn at the age of about 5 has him playing his entire career on the very edge of Sean Averyness.

But somehow Semin's $1.6M discount over 3 fewer years is ludicrous.

???
- CarolinaMatt63

It is still a bad contract in terms of dollars and term, but I agree... Semin's contract is no more ludicrous than Perry and Getzlaf's... Perhaps even less so

The CANES should have waited until the 1st round of a playoff series to make that call

Perry and Getz are proven playoff performers with shiny rings to prove it. They have already done more in their careers than he will in his no matter how long he floats around collecting money for. Semin has his old teammates telling people how lazy and greedy he is, that speaks for itself. Coming from someone who will know more than me , you or some random blogger ever will about it. His playoff stats are shameful for a "sniper" making that kind of money. Aside from that anyone on the other 28 teams would take getz or perry over semin in a heartbeat. As for the person who said he gave a discount.......clearly you have been drinking or something so I feel bad even pointing this out buuuuuuut LOL Where was he going to get that money aside from bad teams? Like carolina or fla ect. No team who thinks theyre close to winning would go close to 7 on that guy lol. Please share what you have I could also use an escape from reality

The guy I quoted and whoever said he gave a discount you just made my night was having a tough day so thank you, not even trying to be a richard. Thanks for the laugh, really needed it.
- StabMastaArson

His old teammates who, coincidentally, have shown without a f***ing DOUBT this season that he was not the problem in Washington.

Washington is a joke, and the guys in that locker room trying to deflect attention from their miserable effort this year should not be taken seriously when spouting off in the media.

Semin has been an elite talent whenever he's been given the chance to succeed, I'd be frustrated too playing second fiddle to that one-trick pony Ovechkin.

You want to blame someone for this contract? Don't blame Rutherford, blame the GMs in Anaheim and Minnesota for setting this retarded precedent.

This is going to continue regardless of how many lockouts occur, the best players are going to get paid, simple as that. As a pens fan, you may wanna start worrying about 2014-15 right now.

Bottom line is that market value right now dictates this price for Semin, who is an elite level player, regardless of what the haters say.

Bad reputation? You mean as in people ripping him AFTER he left the team? By the way, how is that team doing this year? I mean, they got rid of the cancer right? Surely they must be tearing the league up. Oooohhhh, that right. Insinuating that Semin was THE ROOT CAUSE of all the issues in Washington undermines the character of every player on that team as well as that of the coaching staff and management. Then again, it's so easy to pin everyone's disappointments on one guy.

I cannot believe how up in arms all of you are getting. Get a (frank)ing grip. Is it an expensive contract? Yes, but a 5 year, $7 mil per contract is far from earth shattering. No one has brought any sort of insightful conversation here, just pissing and moaning and trash talking. Then again, this is hockey buzz, so that is pretty much the norm.

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you do realize that being such a crazy elite talent, that he couldn't draw more than a one year contract last offseason, right? as an unrestricted free agent, a can't miss player like that, open to 29 other teams.. can't draw more than a one year contract, and playing a good 30 games is just cause to be signed for 5 years at that kind of money?

He was a risk no doubt, but that was also on a team with absolute no leadership and a demoted role.

Tell me this, if he gets back to his point + per game rate, while also continually being in the top 5 in +- is he worth the contract? Of course he is, arguably in the market worth more. I have no problem with this contract at all, he would fetch more on the open market and he makes the Canes a lot better. You really dont understand what the price tag is for a guy like that.

The Caps also misused Semin. He was known purely as a sniper and thats all the coaching staff expected. I would put Semin in the top of the league as a playmaker, he is unbelievable passer whose offensive skill open up lanes.

I love how the owners rob us of a real season crying poor, then resume spending like wild like it never happened.

His old teammates who, coincidentally, have shown without a f***ing DOUBT this season that he was not the problem in Washington.

Washington is a joke, and the guys in that locker room trying to deflect attention from their miserable effort this year should not be taken seriously when spouting off in the media.

Semin has been an elite talent whenever he's been given the chance to succeed, I'd be frustrated too playing second fiddle to that one-trick pony Ovechkin.

You want to blame someone for this contract? Don't blame Rutherford, blame the GMs in Anaheim and Minnesota for setting this retarded precedent.

This is going to continue regardless of how many lockouts occur, the best players are going to get paid, simple as that. As a pens fan, you may wanna start worrying about
2014-15 right now.

Bottom line is that market value right now dictates this price for Semin, who is an elite level player, regardless of what the haters say.
- TommyDeVito

Thank you sir for being the one outside voice to actually attempt conversation. Cheers!

[quote=joel878]i

you do realize that being such a crazy elite talent, that he couldn't draw more than a one year contract last offseason, right? as an unrestricted free agent, a can't miss player like that, open to 29 other teams.. can't draw more than a one year contract, and playing a good 30 games is just cause to be signed for 5 years at that kind of money?

He was a risk no doubt, but that was also on a team with absolute no leadership and a demoted role.

Tell me this, if he gets back to his point + per game rate, while also continually being in the top 5 in +- is he worth the contract? Of course he is, arguably in the market worth more. I have no problem with this contract at all, he would fetch more on the open market and he makes the Canes a lot better. You really dont understand what the price tag is for a guy like that.

The Caps also misused Semin. He was known purely as a sniper and thats all the coaching staff expected. I would put Semin in the top of the league as a playmaker, he is unbelievable passer whose offensive skill open up lanes.
- StaalsnUrinals

and you're more than entitled to have that opinion.

i am of the variety, that i'm really grateful you guys dished out that contract, so that he couldn't hit free agency again and risking my teams GM signing such a ridiculous deal.

there's a reason washington let him go for nothing, and it wasn't poor management.

but hey, that's just my opinion as an outside fan. i think it's a horrible contract, and that you guys will all regret it within two years.

on the other hand, at least it's not for 8 years.

His old teammates who, coincidentally, have shown without a f***ing DOUBT this season that he was not the problem in Washington.

Washington is a joke, and the guys in that locker room trying to deflect attention from their miserable effort this year should not be taken seriously when spouting off in the media.

Semin has been an elite talent whenever he's been given the chance to succeed, I'd be frustrated too playing second fiddle to that one-trick pony Ovechkin.

You want to blame someone for this contract? Don't blame Rutherford, blame the GMs in Anaheim and Minnesota for setting this retarded precedent.

This is going to continue regardless of how many lockouts occur, the best players are going to get paid, simple as that. As a pens fan, you may wanna start worrying about 2014-15 right now.

Bottom line is that market value right now dictates this price for Semin, who is an elite level player, regardless of what the haters say.
- TommyDeVito

High five, Tommy - Way to rep Sens Army!

Well I do not believe Semin is worth 7 mil a year. I am with you that he is more of the 6.5mil range, if not closer to 6 mil. He has done wonders for E. Staal but he hasnt shown that he is a top 10 forward in the league.

I would agree that the money was out there if he did go to free agency. So, the extension had to be done.

This means Ruutu and/or Jokinen has to go in order to get a top 4 Dman that this team desperately needs. I hate for Ruutu to go as he adds the size and grit needed. Jokinen will have to go though.

Just throwing out an alternate point of view.

They overpaid for Jordan Staal (imo) Would like to have seen 5-5.5mil per year
They overpaid for Semin (imo) Would liket o have seen 6-6.5mil per year.

However, one is Eric's brother and the other has helped Eric make a great comeback year.

Maybe they are trying to make an atmosphere that is desirable for the real star of the team. Eric.

Think what he would make on open market. He has what? 2-3 years left on his contract? And now he is actually performing up to his 8.25mil contract.

Spend a little more surrounding your star with the talent he wants on his team and watch him perform better and resign easier? Just a different line of thought worth considering.

You have no business making 7 million unless he proves he can give you 35 plus goals each of those 5 seasons. He's not a 30+ goal scorer.

Just like Brian Campbell. Yes he eats up like 26 minutes a game but you don't pay a Dman over 7 million unless he's Scott Stevens/Nick Lidstrom type.

Some of these contracts I've been seeing lately have made very little sense.

You have no business making 7 million unless he proves he can give you 35 plus goals each of those 5 seasons. He's not a 30+ goal scorer.

Just like Brian Campbell. Yes he eats up like 26 minutes a game but you don't pay a Dman over 7 million unless he's Scott Stevens/Nick Lidstrom type.

Some of these contracts I've been seeing lately have made very little sense.
- BallardHitsHard22

Except the 40g, 38g, 34g, and 28g (65gp) seasons?

Except the 40g, 38g, 34g, and 28g (65gp) seasons?
- T_Cane0

Yeah, half of his career was a fluke.

I thought this team was heading in the right direction with player development and getting good trades and what not. Then this happens. I hope to God that he plays like a $7mil player is supposed to play and get no less than 80 points in the next 5 years and make sure this team makes playoffs every year. Come on Rutherford, you could have bargained with his camp. At least try. All the best Hurricane fans!

Except the 40g, 38g, 34g, and 28g (65gp) seasons?
- T_Cane0

yea from 06 to 2010 he was awesome. Players don't continue to put those numbers up.

Last three seasons just under 30 goals.

So basically the Hurricanes are paying him a premium price for the back end of his career. Have fun while his point totals continue to drop.

Perry and Getz are proven playoff performers with shiny rings to prove it. They have already done more in their careers than he will in his no matter how long he floats around collecting money for. Semin has his old teammates telling people how lazy and greedy he is, that speaks for itself. Coming from someone who will know more than me , you or some random blogger ever will about it. His playoff stats are shameful for a "sniper" making that kind of money. Aside from that anyone on the other 28 teams would take getz or perry over semin in a heartbeat. As for the person who said he gave a discount.......clearly you have been drinking or something so I feel bad even pointing this out buuuuuuut LOL Where was he going to get that money aside from bad teams? Like carolina or fla ect. No team who thinks theyre close to winning would go close to 7 on that guy lol. Please share what you have I could also use an escape from reality

The guy I quoted and whoever said he gave a discount you just made my night was having a tough day so thank you, not even trying to be a richard. Thanks for the laugh, really needed it.
- StabMastaArson

Oh cmon...that's absolutely horrible. Did you watch that year or just Google it? That run was built around 30 minutes of Niedermayer, 30 minutes of Pronger and Giguere playing at an elite level.