Eersel
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Location: City of Failures, AB Joined: 12.15.2011
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Part of me hopes that Feaster doesn't botch this trading of Iginla thing. The other part of me knows he will. - Reveen
Nailed it.
You know when that deal finally happens you don't want to be sitting at home watching the TV going, "Iginla for WHO?????!!!?!?!?!"
Klinkhammer bro. |
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FLflames34
Calgary Flames |
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Location: ., HI Joined: 02.26.2010
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Richard Cloutier: Pens Set Market for Oilers; NHL Trade Deadline - Maxbone
One of your best blogs brother.
I am thinking I don't want Tambs trying to negotiate though. Too bad in-season GM firings don't happen more. I love Hemsky, but I would do JBo for Gagner 1-for-1.
And yes- Habs would be the dark horse team. Hence my changing my playoff affiliation in my avatar last weekend Impressed you picked up on this possibility.
I'd like to see the Oil make a run at Bernier or a similar 'possible talent' |
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Hall Fan
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I am not a GM and I am not sure how it goes but I think there are several factors to consider here. The first, if you are trading and have the choice of Hemsky and Iginla you are looking at different things. You have an aging goal scorer who is a rental and might return home in the summer. The other is a much younger playmaker who can also score and has at least 1 more year for you to get an extention. Their current contracts are also 2 mil difference and their point production isn't far off from each other (per game).
They are apples and oranges. For some GMs you might get more return for Hemsky. Scouts know what he can do.
Also Smid and N.Schultz should be traded in this market. If Murray can get 2 x2nd round picks and he is not as good as either. We could cash in. We have Schultz, Fistric, Petry, Peckham, Potter someone we would trade for.
Also you have to think that smart GMs are thinking about acquiring top players rather than hording rookies now as it is obvious that the announcement of 2 expansion teams will come as early as this summer. Like any expansion you can only protect so many players and if the Oilers keep on the way they are going, they are just going to have 4 elite prospects poached when the time comes. They need to turn the masses into some starters on D and a solid goalie. |
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FLflames34
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Location: ., HI Joined: 02.26.2010
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Nailed it.
You know when that deal finally happens you don't want to be sitting at home watching the TV going, "Iginla for WHO?????!!!?!?!?!"
Klinkhammer bro. - Eersel
Could be worse. Could be D Sutt trading for Kotalik.
I am ok with Feaster making these moves. I think he will at least get 2/3rds of it right (between Iggy, Kip and Jbo. The one I think he will mess us is Bouwmeester) |
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Part of me hopes that Feaster doesn't botch this trading of Iginla thing. The other part of me knows he will. - Reveen
One week to go and we will find out I guess ... at least they are moving him |
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Eersel
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: City of Failures, AB Joined: 12.15.2011
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Could be worse. Could be D Sutt trading for Kotalik.
I am ok with Feaster making these moves. I think he will at least get 2/3rds of it right (between Iggy, Kip and Jbo. The one I think he will mess us is Bouwmeester) - FLflames34
If you're trading with the Flames with those 3 guys on the block. Your offering back for guarenteed value. So I go in this order.
1- Iginla: Other than being who he is, you know what your getting into.
2- J. Bo: Bonafied defensemen... still has a fair bit to prove in Playoff action.
3- Kipp: Shadow of former self. Flashes of brilliance, but this guy needs to be on a team where he splits the season with another guy to play at his best.
Is it just hearsay that J.Bo has no inclination to play in Edmonton? |
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FLflames34
Calgary Flames |
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Location: ., HI Joined: 02.26.2010
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If you're trading with the Flames with those 3 guys on the block. Your offering back for guarenteed value. So I go in this order.
1- Iginla: Other than being who he is, you know what your getting into.
2- J. Bo: Bonafied defensemen... still has a fair bit to prove in Playoff action.
3- Kipp: Shadow of former self. Flashes of brilliance, but this guy needs to be on a team where he splits the season with another guy to play at his best.
Is it just hearsay that J.Bo has no inclination to play in Edmonton? - Eersel
No. It's just blasphemy to trade with the Oil unless....you know....that awful Staios acquisition.
JBo fits Edmonton's needs...perfectly. |
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I can't see how Hemsky's value didn't just shoot through the roof! Im not saying he's better than Morrow, but they are completely different players and Hemsky brings a different dynamic. If Morrow is worth a top prospect and a minor down grade of draft picks, the Hemsky should be comparable (1st round pick or Top Prospect). I think Hemmer, if he's on the table, is probably the 3rd domino in the W position after Iginla and Morrow, and most definitly ahead of Clowe.
Speaking of Clowe, does anyone else feel something brewing in San Jose? Something tells me they are about to do something drastic and blow that mess up! - Jeropotato
i wouldn;t be putting hemsky ahead of clowe.... he is the type of guy that does those dirty things...and hemsky... well isn;t |
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If you're trading with the Flames with those 3 guys on the block. Your offering back for guarenteed value. So I go in this order.
1- Iginla: Other than being who he is, you know what your getting into.
2- J. Bo: Bonafied defensemen... still has a fair bit to prove in Playoff action.
3- Kipp: Shadow of former self. Flashes of brilliance, but this guy needs to be on a team where he splits the season with another guy to play at his best.
Is it just hearsay that J.Bo has no inclination to play in Edmonton? - Eersel
j bo to oilers would blow up Colin and clouts boards .... You know one team would get the better of the deal and all hell would break loose |
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laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Wuhan, China Joined: 07.18.2006
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Nuge is back in tonight against Preds. - Oildrum
He's going to make out with the Preds between periods thus giving them MONO. |
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Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT Joined: 06.27.2006
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Hemsky ? Yes
But not for Beaulieu or Eller.
Smart thing to do for Hemsky is get a solid D for top pair minutes. |
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madmatt7
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 06.08.2012
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Hemsky does seem more eastern conference then west I agree ...hemsky smid and a pick for gaborik - Redmile247
I'm not sure how hemsky and smid for gaborik would ever help the Oilers. Sure Gaborik is a good player but this is a guy on the back half of his career. Not only that, he would be taking over a position of one of our core young guys. Top 6 players are not what we need, it's bottom 6 that needs all the work. We need a good decent sized faceoff winning centre, a big 4th line centre that can move a puck, and 1-2 more left handed puck moving D....And a real life starter in goal. Someone that could steal games when the team is having an off day. |
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Morris
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS Joined: 07.18.2007
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In the four previous seasons, Murray has about 200 more hits than Smid, so I think that says a bit more than a 30 game sample. And the plus minus argument is a terrible one, it's a recorded stat for a reason, it's a reflection of defensive responsibility. You can't just discredit a 450 game career and a minus 42 because the other 4 players on the ice were so terrible all the time, especially when the guy is a defenseman. - alcatrazhockey
I didn't realize that having as many hits as Murray was the criteria for not being 'dismal' in terms of hits. Past two seasons before this he's had 140 and 184 hits. This season he's on pace to post 149 in 48 games. Meanwhile Murray has posted 203, 126 last season and 92 in 48 games. Your four seasons sample says something different from the thrust of where they're each headed in terms of hits.
As for the plus minus, I wasn't trying to completely excuse it, but I was trying to put it in context. Smid isn't an offensive dman, and he's played exclusively in a shutdown role. In that way he's pretty limited. His plus minus has always been better than the team's and the majority of his career -42 came from his rookie and sophomore seasons, where he posted a combined -31. He's been our most consistent defenseman for several years now.
I'm not arguing anything about his worth compared to Murray, I'm just saying that people won't take you seriously if you misrepresent facts. |
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Lyxdeslic
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Location: Camrose, AB Joined: 03.24.2013
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Also Smid and N.Schultz should be traded in this market. If Murray can get 2 x2nd round picks and he is not as good as either. We could cash in. We have Schultz, Fistric, Petry, Peckham, Potter someone we would trade for. - bsteinley
2 second rounders from Pittsburgh is pretty much 2 third rounders. |
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munky123
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: MTL, QC Joined: 05.10.2011
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If you're trading with the Flames with those 3 guys on the block. Your offering back for guarenteed value. So I go in this order.
1- Iginla: Other than being who he is, you know what your getting into.
2- J. Bo: Bonafied defensemen... still has a fair bit to prove in Playoff action.
3- Kipp: Shadow of former self. Flashes of brilliance, but this guy needs to be on a team where he splits the season with another guy to play at his best.
Is it just hearsay that J.Bo has no inclination to play in Edmonton? - Eersel
Maybe jbo could be had in a 3way deal. Don't see them trading straight up. |
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ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB Joined: 10.21.2011
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hallwillcrushu
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Location: calgary, AB Joined: 08.22.2012
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Time to give the smack down on crapsville |
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ruttager17
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Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB Joined: 10.21.2011
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Maybe jbo could be had in a 3way deal. Don't see them trading straight up. - munky123
You said 3way. GIGGITY |
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hallwillcrushu
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: calgary, AB Joined: 08.22.2012
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You said 3way. GIGGITY - ruttager17
I've had a couple of those |
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I'm not sure how hemsky and smid for gaborik would ever help the Oilers. Sure Gaborik is a good player but this is a guy on the back half of his career. Not only that, he would be taking over a position of one of our core young guys. Top 6 players are not what we need, it's bottom 6 that needs all the work. We need a good decent sized faceoff winning centre, a big 4th line centre that can move a puck, and 1-2 more left handed puck moving D....And a real life starter in goal. Someone that could steal games when the team is having an off day. - madmatt7
Was just an idea .... What deal would you rather see ? |
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ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB Joined: 10.21.2011
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I've had a couple of those - hallwillcrushu
Does it still count as a 3 way if they were roofied up and passed out and it wasn't consentual? |
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hallwillcrushu
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: calgary, AB Joined: 08.22.2012
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Oilerulez
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: for so many reasons i think the pouliot signing was a mistake. but i will refrain from commenting o, AB Joined: 02.05.2008
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Salvo
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 02.13.2009
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Corey Power Potter Play. You all knew it. |
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What a garbage call that was though
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