nope
- Fatty-Patty

He was a healthy scratch for a long period of time, he's injury prone and he's not worth his salary even when he's in the line-up. He's definitely a buy-out candidate, especially with Gardiner in the system.

Tucker and Armstrong are 1 million each for next year. Connolly is gone. Komisarek can be bought out. Maybe they buy-out Liles.
- Two_For_Truth

I'm still holding out hope that Liles can get his poop together.

Yeah, it's my heart talking here, not my head.

But as Jesse Jackson says, "keep hope alive!"

You sure that's not the Cup drought?
- Two_For_Truth

positive.

Yep he's been bad...picking it up a little the last couple games so we shall see..Maybe he gets it back on track..
- Fruitcakenipple

Using him as a shutdown center is a great way to waste 5.5 million dollars. As soon as his numbers recover, trade him and get a cheaper shutdown center.

Boyle isn't the kind of player the Leafs should be giving up those assets for.
- Lipchitz

Never said i wanted him...

Using him as a shutdown center is a great way to waste 5.5 million dollars. As soon as his numbers recover, trade him and get a cheaper shutdown center.
- Two_For_Truth

You assume they will recover.

He had a 2 weeks slump where he only picked up a point. Early february.
- Pecafan Fan

If Grabovski does it, he's still wicked awesome sick. If Thornton does it, he's the worst player of all time.

He was a healthy scratch for a long period of time, he's injury prone and he's not worth his salary even when he's in the line-up. He's definitely a buy-out candidate, especially with Gardiner in the system.
- Two_For_Truth

He seemed fine when he came back. Needed a little kick in the arse to get him goin, thats all...

He had a 2 weeks slump where he only picked up a point. Early february.
- Pecafan Fan

7 games 1 point - yeah leafs nation wouldnt flip a lid over that

and his 7 mil a year.

Using him as a shutdown center is a great way to waste 5.5 million dollars. As soon as his numbers recover, trade him and get a cheaper shutdown center.
- Two_For_Truth

Agreed...

Using him as a shutdown center is a great way to waste 5.5 million dollars. As soon as his numbers recover, trade him and get a cheaper shutdown center.
- Two_For_Truth

Not that easy.

Grabbo is untradeable at this point.

Unless you want to eat salary, and then the last part of your plan doesn't work.

You assume they will recover.
- Fatty-Patty

You assume they won't. It's more likely he will put up numbers again than he won't. He's put up numbers the past few seasons. Just a matter of time before he recovers enough for them to be able to trade him.

If Grabovski does it, he's still wicked awesome sick. If Thornton does it, he's the worst player of all time.
- Two_For_Truth

well guess who thornton plays with
guess whos on SJ #1 PP

shall i go on? nah, i wont. I dont want you to jump just yet.

I'm still holding out hope that Liles can get his poop together.

Yeah, it's my heart talking here, not my head.

But as Jesse Jackson says, "keep hope alive!"
- Atomic Wedgie

What's the point? Even if he does play better, he's still an injury prone player who's a 4th defender. It's not worth it.

I honestly think the leafs should dump Kessel, he's minus-2, only skates one way, and doesn't hit. He will be useless in the compact, physical game in the play-off that the NHL has adopted.

You assume they won't. It's more likely he will put up numbers again than he won't. He's put up numbers the past few seasons. Just a matter of time before he recovers enough for them to be able to trade him.
- Two_For_Truth

those 40 years in the basement living the life of sloth have really skewed your brain havnt they Ugly?

Not that easy.

Grabbo is untradeable at this point.

Unless you want to eat salary, and then the last part of your plan doesn't work.
- Atomic Wedgie

The only thing making him untradeable is his offensive numbers. As soon as he scores more frequently, the Leafs can sell the fact that he's a two-way 2nd line center. If they take a shutdown center in return, even if he costs 3 million dollars (or a UFA that costs 2 million and they retain 1 million of Grabovski's salary), they save 2.5 million dollars and have the right guy in the right role.

Using him as a shutdown center is a great way to waste 5.5 million dollars. As soon as his numbers recover, trade him and get a cheaper shutdown center.
- Two_For_Truth

Spend the money on a true number 1, or number 2 if Kads really is the real deal.

What's the point? Even if he does play better, he's still an injury prone player who's a 4th defender. It's not worth it.
- Two_For_Truth

Before his concussion, he was the best defenceman on the Leafs.

That's the point.

well guess who thornton plays with
guess whos on SJ #1 PP

shall i go on? nah, i wont. I dont want you to jump just yet.
- big_dion

If you're really going to compare Thornton to Grabovski, it's only going to end poorly for you.

You assume they won't. It's more likely he will put up numbers again than he won't. He's put up numbers the past few seasons. Just a matter of time before he recovers enough for them to be able to trade him.
- Two_For_Truth

He hasn't been in a shutdown role before... He starts in the defensive zone every shift. He's not eating PP time... Why would you assume his number would all of a sudden increase?? I would assume they would stay similar to what they are right now...

Never said i wanted him...
- Fruitcakenipple

Agreed with your assessment of what it would take to land him. It was more of a reply to the initial suggestion.

Not that easy.

Grabbo is untradeable at this point.

Unless you want to eat salary, and then the last part of your plan doesn't work.
- Atomic Wedgie

Some kind of Grabo + - Luongo + swap could work well for both teams.

Before his concussion, he was the best defenceman on the Leafs.

That's the point.
- Atomic Wedgie

Perhaps your favorite but not their best.

The only thing making him untradeable is his offensive numbers. As soon as he scores more frequently, the Leafs can sell the fact that he's a two-way 2nd line center. If they take a shutdown center in return, even if he costs 3 million dollars (or a UFA that costs 2 million and they retain 1 million of Grabovski's salary), they save 2.5 million dollars and have the right guy in the right role.
- Two_For_Truth

So there are a lot of teams that are lining up to trade for a guy who has never shown he can play the 2-way centre role at $5.5 million cap hit?

Getting him down to $4.5 million doesn't really make a difference.

And let's not forget his reputation.