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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
He hasn't been playing with legit scoring wingers, frankly his play hasn't warranted him being moved up. At this point with the season over, I would move him up and play him with some guys capable of scoring. Hopefully he can produce some points and it boosts his confidence.
- PLindbergh31

That has been my point since about early February. I think there has been total mismanagement of him this year.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 25 @ 9:15 AM ET
Therien? Although the +/- for him seems absurdly high.
- jmatchett

still playing for another team
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 9:15 AM ET
Awesome. That ensures he bounces back next year.
- PLindbergh31


It doesn't ensure anything. But what his Season this year also doesn't ensure, is that he won't bounce back next Season. You can look at it either way. Positively, or negatively. I choose the positive outlook. And choose to look at his ability, his hockey sense, and his talent. And know that the situation with how the team has played, can affect a young player. And this Season has not lessened his potential in my eyes, one bit. We'll see what happens.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 25 @ 9:15 AM ET
He just sucks lately.. Honestly, who would you say was the Flyers most noticeable forward yesterday?

OT, but since your ban you are one of my favorite trolls. Amazing what a little time in the press box can do for your play..

- jak521


If Matt Cooke can reform his game why cant I?

To me Read was your best player last night. Besides Bryz.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 25 @ 9:16 AM ET
He hasn't been playing with legit scoring wingers, frankly his play hasn't warranted him being moved up. At this point with the season over, I would move him up and play him with some guys capable of scoring. Hopefully he can produce some points and it boosts his confidence.
- PLindbergh31



i think he is still hurt...seems to be limping here and there.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:16 AM ET
He was moved down due to some bad penalties recently. Why he was singled out when majority of players do the same thing, I'm not sure.
- PLindbergh31

I think his penalties are harder to live with for a few reasons.. He isnt producing ANYTHING offensively and his penalties are super selfish. He isnt taking unfortunate penalties as a result of hard work.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:16 AM ET
That has been my point since about early February. I think there has been total mismanagement of him this year.
- jak521


Total Organizational failure from soup to nuts.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 25 @ 9:16 AM ET
He hasn't been playing with legit scoring wingers, frankly his play hasn't warranted him being moved up. At this point with the season over, I would move him up and play him with some guys capable of scoring. Hopefully he can produce some points and it boosts his confidence.
- PLindbergh31


Agreed. There's nothing to lose so might as well give him more offensive opportunities.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:16 AM ET
If Matt Cooke can reform his game why cant I
- nbartley9

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:17 AM ET
I think his penalties are harder to live with for a few reasons.. He isnt producing ANYTHING offensively and his penalties are super selfish. He isnt taking unfortunate penalties as a result of hard work.
- jak521


That is a good point. Hartnell takes selfish penalties out of frustration. The others just take penalties out of sheer stupidity.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:18 AM ET
That is a good point. Hartnell takes selfish penalties out of frustration. The others just take penalties out of sheer stupidity.
- PLindbergh31

As crazy as it sounds.. Hartnells penalties are a lot worse for the team than most other players..
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:19 AM ET
That is a good point. Hartnell takes selfish penalties out of frustration. The others just take penalties out of sheer stupidity.
- PLindbergh31


The pens and many other teams just execute at a higher level. Especially their breakouts and basic line rushes.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 25 @ 9:19 AM ET
They are in desperate need of points. Giving up on a season for purposes of a "better" draft pick rather than fighting for the postseason as long as possible is a disgraceful mentality. Even if you don't have a playoff team, you want to see as much compete level as possible.
- bmeltzer


While I certainly agree with the bold, I don't think that was the suggestion. I think he was trying to say that it's beyond time for the writers to stop talking about points slipping away in the playoff race. They're not in the race. They haven't been in the race for a long time.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:19 AM ET
If Matt Cooke can reform his game why cant I?

To me Read was your best player last night. Besides Bryz.

- nbartley9


Cooke had no other choice to reform his game or he would have been out of the NHL. And I have looked at the play with Karlsson 25 times, and no one is going to convince me he didn't do that on purpose. He made it look like it was an accident, he knew exactly what he was doing.

And quite honestly any play causing injury that involves Cooke, he should receive zero benefit of doubt.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:20 AM ET
On a positive note... Luke Schenn played nearly 30 minutes last night and was pretty damn effective.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:20 AM ET

- jak521


You know, Matt Cooke has been much reformed this year (the Karlsson thing was a freak accident). But last night in the 3rd, there was a play on the near-side corner of the Flyer's end, and they cut to a close-up camera to show the work.
Gervais had fallen down, not sure if he tripped or what, but he was down. There were 2 Penguins players there and 1 Flyer (I think the Flyer actually won the battle). One of the Penguins players was Cooke. While the one Penguins player was trying to get the puck, Cooke's stick was about 4 inches off the ice, and looked like he was trying to jab Gervais in the face more than play the puck. Anyone else remember this?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 9:21 AM ET
On a positive note... Luke Schenn played nearly 30 minutes last night and was pretty damn effective.
- jak521


Anyone know what the deal with Grossmann and Briere is?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:21 AM ET
As crazy as it sounds.. Hartnells penalties are a lot worse for the team than most other players..
- jak521


I agree with you. Look at Simmonds penalty last night. Absolutely zero reason for him to slash the stick out of Orpik's hands in the offensive zone.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Mar 25 @ 9:22 AM ET
While I certainly agree with the bold, I don't think that was the suggestion. I think he was trying to say that it's beyond time for the writers to stop talking about points slipping away in the playoff race. They're not in the race. They haven't been in the race for a long time.
- Scoob



Exactly what I was saying. I mentioned later that I don't condone tanking but the Flyers getting points isn't the big story right now. Playing like they're a real NHL team is more important.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 25 @ 9:23 AM ET
Lets play

Guess that former flyer:

in the month of march:


10 GP 2g 4a 6pts -4


- Philly1980


JVR?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:24 AM ET
JVR?
- Scoob


Can't be. He always spent the month of March faking injuries.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 25 @ 9:25 AM ET
JVR?
- Scoob



aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:25 AM ET
Anyone know what the deal with Grossmann and Briere is?
- MJL


Both listed as day to day with upper body injuries...
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 25 @ 9:25 AM ET
Cooke had no other choice to reform his game or he would have been out of the NHL. And I have looked at the play with Karlsson 25 times, and no one is going to convince me he didn't do that on purpose. He made it look like it was an accident, he knew exactly what he was doing.

And quite honestly any play causing injury that involves Cooke, he should receive zero benefit of doubt.

- PLindbergh31


If that is true, the guy is a ninja and people should be very very afraid.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 9:25 AM ET
You know, Matt Cooke has been much reformed this year (the Karlsson thing was a freak accident). But last night in the 3rd, there was a play on the near-side corner of the Flyer's end, and they cut to a close-up camera to show the work.
Gervais had fallen down, not sure if he tripped or what, but he was down. There were 2 Penguins players there and 1 Flyer (I think the Flyer actually won the battle). One of the Penguins players was Cooke. While the one Penguins player was trying to get the puck, Cooke's stick was about 4 inches off the ice, and looked like he was trying to jab Gervais in the face. Anyone else remember this?

- jmatchett

I remember it clearly. I even said to my brother in laws that I loved it. He literally refused to lose that battle.. he fought and fought (ferociously) and forced the puck back around the net where the Pens gained control and got a scoring chance.. I wish the Flyers played with that kind of determination.
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