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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 25 @ 8:46 AM ET
It was actually mentioned several times last night by Pierre... No surprise that when they start playing responsible hockey they start winning. They have allowed 9 goals over their last 8 games. Pretty hard to lose when you are allowing one goal a game.
- jak521


Yep. They even overcame their goalie letting in one that was stoppable.

Imagine that.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 8:47 AM ET
April 28
- Flyskippy

jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:48 AM ET
Yep. They even overcame their goalie letting in one that was stoppable.

Imagine that.

- Scoob

aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:48 AM ET
Coburn got a away with more than a few easy calls for the refs. Not a great game for him. He could have easily been called for tripping at least twice, and his usual excessive roughing of guys who no longer have the puck.
- hereticpride


Coburn has been regressing for some time now and has more minor penalties than anyone in the league to show for it.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:48 AM ET
Oh you mean like the blatant cross check to Voracek that was flat out missed with one ref staring right at it? I'm fine with letting the teams play, but to allow Jake to get drilled like that then called a slash on Simmer is ridiculous.
- aantny88


And Coburn boarding Dupuis as time ran out in regulation?

Actually thought he looked okay last night. He actually made smart plays with the puck and TRIED to play physical.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 25 @ 8:49 AM ET
I worded it like this last night...

When they sit back and try to play conservatively they look unsure of themselves. Zero confidence in they way they played last night. Oddly enough.. they gave a bit of commitment to team defense and Bryz had an outstanding game. They cant be related to each other...

- jak521


They played a "prevent" defense last night. I don't equate that with an improved commitment to team defense. I call that panic.

And we all know what the "prevent" defense prevents.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 8:49 AM ET
Coburn also got away with a blatant boarding penalty right at the end of the game.
- Feanor


True, though the way Pierre Maguire reacted, you would have thought Dupuis had been killed! Amazing how he miraculously recovered in time to be on the ice for the winning goal though.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 25 @ 8:49 AM ET
With Grossmann injured, if Coburn is suspended for Tuesday night's game with the Rags, I'm hoping Lilja gets called up. Lilja, Foster, and Gervais in the same lineup would be a dream come true.
- PLindbergh31


So you're a Rangers fan?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 25 @ 8:50 AM ET
this has to be one of the most unenjoyable teams I have watched in all my years of flyers hockey
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:51 AM ET
And Coburn boarding Dupuis as time ran out in regulation?

Actually thought he looked okay last night. He actually made smart plays with the puck and TRIED to play physical.

- jmatchett


Never said Coburn didn't get away with that...stupid play.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
So you're a Rangers fan?
- Scoob


Nope. Realistic fan that knows the playoffs are a pipe dream. Flyers have played 31 games this year without having a single 3 game winning streak. There will be no magical run, this team is what it is, a very undisciplined group of underachievers.

Season has been reduced to looking to the draft.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:53 AM ET
What happened with the Pens when they made a commitment to playing better defensively? When they starting playing more disciplined? They're now on an 11 game winning streak.
- MJL


Flyers only allowed one goal in regulation last night and still lost...doesn't seem to matter what system they play. They still come up on the short end of things regardless.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 25 @ 8:53 AM ET
Still nothing doing 5-on-5 but good job not getting blown out.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:54 AM ET
Never said Coburn didn't get away with that...stupid play.
- aantny88


So, the Pens get all the calls late in a game, but the most glaring penalty of the game wasn't called?
It's not lie that the NHL wants to promote the Penguins. But when you blatantly slash a player's stick (although I think Orpik let it go) and the hook a guy on a breakaway, it's gonna get called 99% of the time regardless of the teams playing.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:54 AM ET
They played a "prevent" defense last night. I don't equate that with an improved commitment to team defense. I call that panic.

And we all know what the "prevent" defense prevents.

- Scoob

I dont call it panic.. I call it Lavas attempt at team defense. He is a straight forward coach.. he wants his guys running downhill at all times.. so when they changes to go backwards, it looks awkward, and to me awkward is the best word for last nights game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
I worded it like this last night...

When they sit back and try to play conservatively they look unsure of themselves. Zero confidence in they way they played last night. Oddly enough.. they gave a bit of commitment to team defense and Bryz had an outstanding game. They cant be related to each other...

- jak521


They are absolutely unsure of playing that way. Because they haven't been Coached how to play that way, and they haven't done it enough. But the key is that you can go into a more defensive posture, while still being aggressive. Regardless of how you play, you have to remain aggressive. We see teams do it all the time. We saw it in the previous Pens game when they got the goal head goal early in the 3rd. Switched their forecheck, stayed on the defensive side of the puck. But still remained aggressive. You can change how you play when you have a break in the Season. But don't expect it to click instantly. Especially when you're used to playing another way. Takes a little bit of time.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 8:56 AM ET
As much as I would love to see the Flyers go on an amazing hot streak and make the playoffs, it's just not gonna happen.

If and most likely when they lose to the Rangers tomorrow (yes I know the Rangers are struggling, but I just have a sick feeling that the Flyers will be the team to bring out the best in them), I can only hope that management will finally realize that this season is over. Time to move whatever vets you can for picks and let the kids play.

While I certainly agree with Bill that they should never try and tank the season, I do believe that getting these kids to play well is more important than wins and losses.
Pyzik
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Flemington, NJ
Joined: 01.18.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:56 AM ET
Wish this team had 1/2 the heart of the Poulin led Flyers.....they would be unstoppable.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:57 AM ET
So, the Pens get all the calls late in a game, but the most glaring penalty of the game wasn't called?
It's not lie that the NHL wants to promote the Penguins. But when you blatantly slash a player's stick (although I think Orpik let it go) and the hook a guy on a breakaway, it's gonna get called 99% of the time regardless of the teams playing.

- jmatchett

The Simmonds penalty pissed me off.. That right there is just a stupid play... He came down 12-6 with a two handed slash to the stick.. I dont think Orpik had any intentions of letting it go. Hell he hit it so hard that it bounced into the air.
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

Mar 25 @ 8:58 AM ET
So if we draft McKinnon who thinks cooter will be here next year
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 8:58 AM ET
Flyers only allowed one goal in regulation last night and still lost...doesn't seem to matter what system they play. They still come up on the short end of things regardless.
- aantny88


That really doesn't answer the question. That is one game. And the goal that tied it up, was on a 5 on 3. Don't take penalties. If the Flyers are going to play differently, they'll need some time to adjust to it. Not going to happen overnight. The good news is that they allowed only one goal to a high powered offense.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 25 @ 8:58 AM ET
One thing I don't want to hear anymore this season for the Flyers is "it's a must-win game".

That term is grossly overused.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 25 @ 8:59 AM ET
They are in desperate need of points. Giving up on a season for purposes of a "better" draft pick rather than fighting for the postseason as long as possible is a disgraceful mentality. Even if you don't have a playoff team, you want to see as much compete level as possible.
- bmeltzer

that disgracefull mentality won pitt and chicago cups....i dont advocate doing but if you are, this is the best season to do it.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:59 AM ET
Wish this team had 1/2 the heart of the Poulin led Flyers.....they would be unstoppable.
- Pyzik

They could have all the heart in the world and it wouldnt matter. What this team needs isnt heart... its direction.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 25 @ 8:59 AM ET
So if we draft McKinnon who thinks cooter will be here next year
- griouxmvp2012

I do.

If they draft McKinnon I see Schenn going.
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