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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:40 PM ET
I don't think the 2 additional years will bother any contender. I believe he is only owed 5 million total for those seasons, so a buyout would only cost 3 million and change. Thats not much of a price to pay especially if that team has just made a deep playoff run or won a cup.
With the injury to Kelly and the fact that Kreici has been banged up a few times this season, I could see Boston giving up a 2nd for Briere than buying him out at years end. I know Briere has been horrible this season, but his track record of poor regular seasons followed by fantastic playoff performances will get the deal done.

- BiggE

Ok, picture yourself as a member of the Bruins fanbase or management staff. Then, re-read your post. Come up with a counter deal that is more likely.

For example, I think Briere would net a 3rd and a conditional pick based on the Bruins' performance in the playoffs.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:40 PM ET
Kovy going down in Jersey is huge for you guys to make a push to over take the Devils. That team has little to no scoring.
- nbartley9



hey, thanks!!11!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:41 PM ET
I don't think the 2 additional years will bother any contender. I believe he is only owed 5 million total for those seasons, so a buyout would only cost 3 million and change. Thats not much of a price to pay especially if that team has just made a deep playoff run or won a cup.
With the injury to Kelly and the fact that Kreici has been banged up a few times this season, I could see Boston giving up a 2nd for Briere than buying him out at years end. I know Briere has been horrible this season, but his track record of poor regular seasons followed by fantastic playoff performances will get the deal done.

- BiggE


I think he'd want a promise that he'd definitely get bought out before waiving the NMC. I don't think he's totally against going, but he'll need some concessions.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 12:41 PM ET
However, it is the 6.5 million cap hit that WILL scare teams off.
- MBFlyerfan


Uh if they buy him out at years end, there is NO cap hit. The cap hit for the rest of this year is prorated, and with the Thomas trade, Boston has ample cap room to take on Briere's salary.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:41 PM ET
If the Flyers were to trade Briere, it wouldn't be until much, much closer to the deadline. And they'd have to be even further out of the playoff picture.

Guarantee you that they're not giving up on the postseason just yet.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:42 PM ET
i'm being serious
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I like the cut of your jib, but you don't think NSH holds onto Weber to save face - and keep the lone stalwart on D it has left from the Suter-Weber pairing?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:42 PM ET
Ok, picture yourself as a member of the Bruins fanbase or management staff. Then, re-read your post. Come up with a counter deal that is more likely.

For example, I think Briere would net a 3rd and a conditional pick based on the Bruins' performance in the playoffs.

- Flyskippy


I think they'd give up a 3rd and a prospect. Brenden Morrow is a broken down heap of a third liner. He just got a very good prospect and 3rd rounder.

Briere's rep as a big game hunter will be worth something if he agrees to waive.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:43 PM ET
Uh if they buy him out at years end, there is NO cap hit. The cap hit for the rest of this year is prorated, and with the Thomas trade, Boston has ample cap room to take on Briere's salary.
- BiggE


The Iginla chip has to drop before Briere gets moved.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 12:43 PM ET
Ok, picture yourself as a member of the Bruins fanbase or management staff. Then, re-read your post. Come up with a counter deal that is more likely.

For example, I think Briere would net a 3rd and a conditional pick based on the Bruins' performance in the playoffs.

- Flyskippy


Valid point. However if I am a Bruins fan or management, and I see Kreici take one more hard shot to the knee, Briere is going to look pretty good to me.
At this point though, I'd take a 3rd and a conditional pick, especially since the Flyers will most likely buy him out anyway. Might as well get something for him.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
However, it is the 6.5 million cap hit that WILL scare teams off.
- MBFlyerfan

Particularly next season, when the cap ceiling will go down.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
I think he'd want a promise that he'd definitely get bought out before waiving the NMC. I don't think he's totally against going, but he'll need some concessions.
- Jsaquella


Probably true, and thats most likely what is holding up a deal.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
I think they'd give up a 3rd and a prospect. Brenden Morrow is a broken down heap of a third liner. He just got a very good prospect and 3rd rounder.

Briere's rep as a big game hunter will be worth something if he agrees to waive.

- Jsaquella

I hope so. Just lowering expectations at this point, because I think his price tag/cap hit offsets his potential playoff performance.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
I think he'd want a promise that he'd definitely get bought out before waiving the NMC. I don't think he's totally against going, but he'll need some concessions.
- Jsaquella

Everybody loves Super Pretzels.. oh.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
I think they'd give up a 3rd and a prospect. Brenden Morrow is a broken down heap of a third liner. He just got a very good prospect and 3rd rounder.

Briere's rep as a big game hunter will be worth something if he agrees to waive.

- Jsaquella


And Briere actually has another year on his contract whereas Morrow is a UFA this summer.

Of course, that may not be a selling point considering his salary and regular season production.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
I hope so. Just lowering expectations at this point, because I think his price tag/cap hit offsets his potential playoff performance.
- Flyskippy


You get a team like Boston, who is very unlikely to use a comp buy out and you might be able to cut bait.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 12:46 PM ET
Particularly next season, when the cap ceiling will go down.
- BulliesPhan87


For the last time. Briere can be bought out at the end of the season. That will ELIMINATE his cap hit going forward AND only cost the team 3 million and change!

This is a recording
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
Honestly, expecting more for him without that qualification is being optimistic.

I figured, all along, best they would get was a 2nd rounder and half decent prospect. Briere's playoff performances are a great selling point, but two additional years on his deal will scare teams off.

- Jsaquella



I agree he would probably want to go to a contender to get a chance at a cup. I think his PO experience is his real value. But he also has value to a smaller market team because he is being paid about 4M and cap hit is 6M. Combine those two thoughts and: I think STL, Nashville, or PHX (if they think they can squeeze in) are ideal trade partners for that reason.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
For the last time. Briere can be bought out at the end of the season. That will ELIMINATE his cap hit going forward AND only cost the team 3 million and change!

This is a recording

- BiggE


Self-Destructing in...
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
Kind of a boring hockey game to watch. Pittsburgh had the majority of the scoring chances but honestly it looked like a Devils Rangers game from last season. Not good enough playing in a river hockey style and definitely not quite good enough in a defensive checking and chip/chase style of play either. Bryz was solid.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
Uh if they buy him out at years end, there is NO cap hit. The cap hit for the rest of this year is prorated, and with the Thomas trade, Boston has ample cap room to take on Briere's salary.
- BiggE


You are assuming that he will be bought out. But I'm sure there are teams out there who may want to use their amnestys on players they already have on their rosters, and don't want to take on a 6.5 million cap hit or waste their amnesty on Briere in a rental situation.

Its something that has to be considered isn't it?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
For the last time. Briere can be bought out at the end of the season. That will ELIMINATE his cap hit going forward AND only cost the team 3 million and change!

This is a recording

- BiggE


Yes, but a team has to agree to buy him out. Some teams will shy away from paying him $833,334 every year for the next four years just to rent him for 15 games and the playoffs.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
For the last time. Briere can be bought out at the end of the season. That will ELIMINATE his cap hit going forward AND only cost the team 3 million and change!

This is a recording

- BiggE

Settle down, Beavis.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
Kind of a boring hockey game to watch. Pittsburgh had the majority of the scoring chances but honestly it looked like a Devils Rangers game from last season. Not good enough playing in a river hockey style and definitely not quite good enough in a defensive checking and chip/chase style of play either. Bryz was solid.
- Pixote Andolini

All in all Philadelphia has some very good players on an overall less-than-mediocre team.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
You get a team like Boston, who is very unlikely to use a comp buy out and you might be able to cut bait.
- Jsaquella

Good point. I'm hoping that Homer wriggles himself out of this because, unlike 2006-07, I don't see him returning this team to contention in a year.

And I'm not sure I really want him to. I'd rather they build around the youth they do have and grow the team together. This is another reason Spott or someone like him would be my guy to coach and grow the team.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
All in all Philadelphia has some very good players on an overall less-than-mediocre team.
- Pixote Andolini


Underachieving? They're soaking in it.
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