can they name one other player who throws his body to block shots.
same guy loves ott whos basically the same player but ott is new and more offensively skilled
- hubie

Actually, there are 2 forwards who have more blocked shots than Kaleta this season. You ready for them?

Pominville and Hecht.

But wait, those are stats, and we can use them however we want to.

I want my best penalty killer playing against another teams top unit, and have him keeping the shots per 60 minutes at the lowest it can be. Im sorry but hes not our best PKer if hes playing against the other teams #1 unit and allowing the most shots. Thats a terrible argument. These stats are measured for that player only. So when hes out there with 3 other people, and they get 4 shots. Thats counted for each person. So this stat, is insignificant of who else he plays with. When he is on the PK, he is giving up the most shots per 60 minutes.

Stats are a measure of a players performance. Its kind of hard to dismiss stats. You can say, well, we interpret stats differently. Such as I believe a goalies GAA and SV% can depend on the team playing in front him to an extent. Other stats, simply cannot be denied.

The only value Kaleta has is that hes a hard worker and he sacrifices his body. Hes also among the league leaders in penalties drawn per 60.

Hes not that great of a penalty killer, he has little to no offense whatsoever, and he does not fight as much as a guy who does the poop he does should. Which is probably why hes hated so much. Yeah hes effective.

I dont think hes a player that you must have on your team.
- theblueandgold

Well Im glad Jim Corsi and his fancy stats are the end all be all for a players performance.

Who a teams best PK is subjective. Maybe he isnt, but its not because he happens to be on the ice when the most shots against are allowed.

The only value Kaleta has is that hes a hard worker and he sacrifices his body. Hes also among the league leaders in penalties drawn per 60.

Hes not that great of a penalty killer, he has little to no offense whatsoever, and he does not fight as much as a guy who does the poop he does should. Which is probably why hes hated so much. Yeah hes effective.

I dont think hes a player that you must have on your team.
- theblueandgold

I agree 100% with you. Some people just don't see the big picture which is the biggest problem with our gm and team as a whole.

Actually, there are 2 forwards who have more blocked shots than Kaleta this season. You ready for them?

Pominville and Hecht.

But wait, those are stats, and we can use them however we want to.
- theblueandgold

they play more

Actually, there are 2 forwards who have more blocked shots than Kaleta this season. You ready for them?

Pominville and Hecht.

But wait, those are stats, and we can use them however we want to.
- theblueandgold

They play more minutes and have not been suspended 5 games, and out for another. Not to mention Kaleta has been hurt and out for quite a few more games. For the number of minutes he's played, Kaleta has easily blocked shots most often

Well Im glad Jim Corsi and his fancy stats are the end all be all for a players performance.

Who a teams best PK is subjective. Maybe he isnt, but its not because he happens to be on the ice when the most shots against are allowed.
- Homer

So, why is Kaleta the best PKer to you? What in your mind makes him the best PKer? Because he throws his body in front of shots, occasionally getting blocks?

Whats the objective of the game of hockey? To put the puck in the net. How do you do that? By shooting the puck.

Yeah, allowing the most shots on net is an effective measure of how well you're doing on the penalty kill.

So, why is Kaleta the best PKer to you? What in your mind makes him the best PKer? Because he throws his body in front of shots, occasionally getting blocks?

Whats the objective of the game of hockey? To put the puck in the net. How do you do that? By shooting the puck.

Yeah, allowing the most shots on net is an effective measure of how well you're doing on the penalty kill.
- theblueandgold

And to keep the puck out of the net. That's why there are goalies and defensemen

So, why is Kaleta the best PKer to you? What in your mind makes him the best PKer? Because he throws his body in front of shots, occasionally getting blocks?

Whats the objective of the game of hockey? To put the puck in the net. How do you do that? By shooting the puck.

Yeah, allowing the most shots on net is an effective measure of how well you're doing on the penalty kill.
- theblueandgold

The object is actually to put the puck in the net more than your opponent.

Ok, he sucks...you're right.

Actually, there are 2 forwards who have more blocked shots than Kaleta this season. You ready for them?

Pominville and Hecht.

But wait, those are stats, and we can use them however we want to.
- theblueandgold

This is exactly why cant take stats as gospel.

Pominville and Hecht have more blocked shots.....BUT they have played a ton more.

Poninville blocks a shot ever 25 mins played
Hecht blocks a shot every 21 mins played
Kaleta blocks a shot ever 11 mins played

Whose the better shot blocker again?

I'm hearing 50/50 he gets traded
- Homer

Holy (frank)ing poop. That would be a completely retarded move, god if Terry and the gang think that the fans are disgruntled now just wait to see how everyone reacts if Ott is shipped out!

Why would you trade a guy who brings something to your team that you desperately need?????? (frank)ing unload Pominville!!!!! Not Ott!!!!!!!

Homer please tell me your not serious!

The introduction of advanced stats have provided a very interesting and even fun new way to view the game, but, advanced stats can be manipulated to say what you want them to say just as much as "traditional" stats. They're not gospel.

Actually, there are 2 forwards who have more blocked shots than Kaleta this season. You ready for them?

Pominville and Hecht.

But wait, those are stats, and we can use them however we want to.
- theblueandgold

ok so too you its the same thing when a player just shoots into jochen or pommers legs than when kaleta dives in front of the puck with his face its all just 1 blocked shot right

The introduction of advanced stats have provided a very interesting and even fun new way to view the game, but, advanced stats can be manipulated to say what you want them to say just as much as "traditional" stats. They're not gospel.
- buffalofan19

correct

Holy (frank)ing poop. That would be a completely retarded move, god if Terry and the gang think that the fans are disgruntled now just wait to see how everyone reacts if Ott is shipped out!

Why would you trade a guy who brings something to your team that you desperately need?????? (frank)ing unload Pominville!!!!! Not Ott!!!!!!!

Homer please tell me your not serious!
- rustbelt82

oh Im serious alright

So, why is Kaleta the best PKer to you? What in your mind makes him the best PKer? Because he throws his body in front of shots, occasionally getting blocks?

Whats the objective of the game of hockey? To put the puck in the net. How do you do that? By shooting the puck.

Yeah, allowing the most shots on net is an effective measure of how well you're doing on the penalty kill.
- theblueandgold

YOur right lets just go have a lineup of 25 ovechkins

I find it funny how certain fans' opinions can be so intensely influenced by the reporting and announcing of other team's broadcasts. I have NHL CI and often have to watch the other team's broadcasts and you would think Kaleta was one of Satan's demons. They never mention that he kills penalties and how effectively he draws penalties. It's all what a goon, cheap shot artist he is.

ok so too you its the same thing when a player just shoots into jochen or pommers legs than when kaleta dives in front of the puck with his face its all just 1 blocked shot right
- hubie

read my above post....its only because those two have played way more minutes

Pommer blocks a shot every 25 mins he plays, Hecht every 21....Kaleta every 11. Not ever close.

oh Im serious alright
- Homer

That's (frank)ed up. (frank) this organization if this happens



I'll be devastated if Ott is traded and (frank)ing Pominville and Stafford remain on this team. I don't know how I would be able to watch anymore

read my above post....its only because those two have played way more minutes

Pommer blocks a shot every 25 mins he plays, Hecht every 21....Kaleta every 11. Not ever close.
- Homer

oh im with you 100% homer I was respondidng to him saying pommer and jochen have more bs

read my above post....its only because those two have played way more minutes

Pommer blocks a shot every 25 mins he plays, Hecht every 21....Kaleta every 11. Not ever close.
- Homer

I like it Homer. I got you to do something you didnt want to do earlier. Now you are actually using an advanced statistic (as I had earlier with Kaleta and his PK performance) to support your argument, when earlier you were dismissing something.

Kind of baited you into that.

I like it Homer. I got you to do something you didnt want to do earlier. Now you are actually using an advanced statistic (as I had earlier with Kaleta and his PK performance) to support your argument, when earlier you were dismissing something.

Kind of baited you into that.
- theblueandgold

wow, did i ever get burned.

I like it Homer. I got you to do something you didnt want to do earlier. Now you are actually using an advanced statistic (as I had earlier with Kaleta and his PK performance) to support your argument, when earlier you were dismissing something.

Kind of baited you into that.
- theblueandgold

now how is he supposed to go to bed now? Hell be up all night

wow, did i ever get burned.
- Homer

now how is he supposed to go to bed now? Hell be up all night
- hubie

You're taking it the wrong way if what you got out of this was a personal "attack". I enjoy discussing the Sabres with Homer, hes got a different view point.

You're taking it the wrong way if what you got out of this was a personal "attack". I enjoy discussing the Sabres with Homer, hes got a different view point.
- theblueandgold

i know its not personal, im not one of those people who fly off the deep end on here.