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aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:26 AM ET
Yea well the coach insists on playing firewagon hockey with a group of lead footed defensemen.
- JoeRussomanno


And so it begins...didn't even make it to page two without this season's abysmal performance being placed at the feet of Lavy
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:27 AM ET
I'd only be interested in trading Talbot if it's in a deal that nets the Flyers a promising young defenseman.

Not interested in draft picks, as I think this is a team that contend next year with another piece or two.

- bradleyc4


Agreed. Can also insert Coburn for Talbot for those suggesting that the Flyers trade Coburn.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 22 @ 8:27 AM ET
I'd only be interested in trading Talbot if it's in a deal that nets the Flyers a promising young defenseman.

Not interested in draft picks, as I think this is a team that contend next year with another piece or two.

- bradleyc4

Talbot is not going to bring back a D man of much value. I would take two of the Habs 2nd's(one would have to be the Calgary pick) and move up to take a D man in the mid/late first.

This team could contend next year. Or the next. or the next. That's the nice thing about having a young core.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:27 AM ET
And so it begins...didn't even make it to page two without this season's abysmal performance being placed at the feet of Lavy
- aantny88


Cold hard reality for an NHL Coach. Comes with the job.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:28 AM ET
I agree Bill. Unless they get an offer they can't refuse, they should keep Talbot. Fedetenko has done what he was brought here to do. One thing I'd like to see next year. Is both Talbot and Fedetenko are the main forwards on the PK. I would like whoever they get to replace Fedetenko, to be a faceoff specialist. They need that. It would also reduce Giroux's PK minutes.
I'd really like the Flyers to bring Gagne back next year. I think he can still play, and can be a solid player.

- MJL


Definitely agree! G is the only one that seems to be able to win a faceoff with any type of regularity. This is such an underrated part of the game that creates a lot of chances the Flyers don't get due to their futility in this area!
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 22 @ 8:28 AM ET
I hope we can take it lower my fren. Like Pittsburgh style
- Just5

Leave us out of your misery, we had to be bad for those 5 or so years. Our top line was Rico Fata- Alexi Morozov-Kris Beech, whats your excuse? A Fraude of some kind perhaps?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 22 @ 8:33 AM ET
And so it begins...didn't even make it to page two without this season's abysmal performance being placed at the feet of Lavy
- aantny88


Have you watched this team play? They are a joke 5 on 5 despite having better players on the ice than playoff teams like Ottawa. He's done a terrible job this year.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:34 AM ET
Cold hard reality for an NHL Coach. Comes with the job.
- MJL


I understand that, but there are a plethora of issues plaguing this team that have nothing to do with the coach.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:35 AM ET
Have you watched this team play? They are a joke 5 on 5 despite having better players on the ice than playoff teams like Ottawa.
- Feanor


Yup haven't missed a game this season. Lavy deserves blame for sure, but so do a lot of players that aren't performing anywhere near where they should be. It is also a possibility some of the Flyers aren't as great as people think they are...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 22 @ 8:37 AM ET
I understand that, but there are a plethora of issues plaguing this team that have nothing to do with the coach.
- aantny88


Actually, poor team defense is the number one problem with this team and that's mainly due to the coach continuing to send three forecheckers deep and encouraging even defenseman like Grossmann and Gervais to pinch. They give up a ridiculous amount of odd man rushes while also generating very little even strength offense. And then there's all the botched line changes and too many men penalties...

The only reason for keeping Lavy on till the end of the season is to improve their draft position.
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:37 AM ET
Talbot is not going to bring back a D man of much value. I would take two of the Habs 2nd's(one would have to be the Calgary pick) and move up to take a D man in the mid/late first.

This team could contend next year. Or the next. or the next. That's the nice thing about having a young core.

- hereticpride


Sry guys you won't get 2 early 2nd round pick for an overpaid 3rd line forward.
TorontoFLYER
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Mar 22 @ 8:40 AM ET
I live in Canada. I watch them all the time thank you. Question, do you watch the Flyers much? We need several pieces. One is not a goaltender. Of note, I am a very big Luongo fan. However, us trading pieces to maybe slightly upgrade a position and then force us to carry that insane contract?? It doesn't make sense in any world. If we buy out Bryz and you guys buy out Lu, then we sign Lu for a 2year contract at reasonalbe cost.. then you are talking. Also, I doubt Lu wants to play here.. I think he prefers sunny no pressure Florida.

Also, I suspect that package you speak of would be Couturier, Schenn, or some other young forwards like Simmonds. No way the Flyers do that.

- Hextall271



I agree with you that the Flyers need several pieces mainly #1 Dman....but I really don't understand why everyone thinks Bryz is solid. He is near the bottom of the league in goals against and save percentage. I know the D has not been that great in front of him this year...and he was playing well at the beginning . But overall he continues to give up way too many soft goals and you will hear any hockey broadcaster say that. I just don't see him playing at a 5.5 million goalie this year.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 22 @ 8:41 AM ET
Sry guys you won't get 2 early 2nd round pick for an overpaid 3rd line forward.
- soad_live

You never know. Talbot only makes 1.75 btw. Gaustad got Buffalo a 1st last year. Just be glad I'm not expecting that in return.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:42 AM ET
Actually, poor team defense is the number one problem with this team and that's mainly due to the coach continuing to send three forecheckers deep and encouraging even defenseman like Grossmann and Gervais to pinch. They give up a ridiculous amount of odd man rushes while also generating very little even strength offense. And then there's all the botched line changes and too many men penalties...

The only reason for keeping Lavy on till the end of the season is to improve their draft position.

- Feanor


Sorry but when a defenseman sees three forwards down low, they shouldn't be pinching in unless they definitely know they will get to the puck before the other team. Even still, forwards should be rotating back when they see that dman pinching. Line changes and too many men penalties are player issues more than coaching...did you see what Kostitsyn did in Nashville? You think that was Barry Trotz's fault? Give me a break! Pure laziness on Kostitsyn's part
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:47 AM ET
Looking at the Standings this morning, the Flyers are 29th in a 30 team league.

That is embarrassing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:50 AM ET
I understand that, but there are a plethora of issues plaguing this team that have nothing to do with the coach.
- aantny88



Most of the issues plaguing this team absolutely have to do with the Coach.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 22 @ 8:51 AM ET
I'd only be interested in trading Talbot if it's in a deal that nets the Flyers a promising young defenseman.

Not interested in draft picks, as I think this is a team that contend next year with another piece or two.

- bradleyc4

what is your feeling about the situation in goal?
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 22 @ 8:53 AM ET
Looking at the Standings this morning, the Flyers are 29th in a 30 team league.

That is embarrassing.

- PLindbergh31


Florida, Colorado and Calgary all have less points. The wierd thing is that the Flyers chances of making the playoffs increased to 8.1% this morning.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:54 AM ET
Florida, Colorado and Calgary all have less points. The wierd thing is that the Flyers chances of making the playoffs increased to 8.1% this morning.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

- Flyers_01


Colorado and Calgary less points, but games in hand.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:54 AM ET
Sorry but when a defenseman sees three forwards down low, they shouldn't be pinching in unless they definitely know they will get to the puck before the other team. Even still, forwards should be rotating back when they see that dman pinching. Line changes and too many men penalties are player issues more than coaching...did you see what Kostitsyn did in Nashville? You think that was Barry Trotz's fault? Give me a break! Pure laziness on Kostitsyn's part
- aantny88



It's not a read and react play for the defenseman in Laviolette's system. And if line change and too many men on the ice issues are repeated, it is absolutely his job to fix that. And his responsibility if it keeps happening.
What Kostitsyn did in Nashville is irrelevant to what is happening here.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:56 AM ET
Looking at the Standings this morning, the Flyers are 29th in a 30 team league.

That is embarrassing.

- PLindbergh31



I think it's great. If you're going to miss the playoffs, miss it big! I'll look for the positive and think aboiut the great draft pick the Flyers will get if they stay there.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 22 @ 8:56 AM ET
Florida, Colorado and Calgary all have less points. The wierd thing is that the Flyers chances of making the playoffs increased to 8.1% this morning.

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

- Flyers_01

the flyers could do us all a favor by finishing last at this point. i want a dman in the draft...
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:56 AM ET
Looking at the Standings this morning, the Flyers are 29th in a 30 team league.

That is embarrassing.

- PLindbergh31



Splitting hairs here, but I think they are 27th. 14th in the Eastern conference, and I do expect them to drop to 29th by the time they play Sunday. It's sad you areright, but I always say, if you miss, you've got to miss really bad.. none of this leafs coming in 9th 10th every every year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 22 @ 8:56 AM ET
I understand that, but there are a plethora of issues plaguing this team that have nothing to do with the coach.
- aantny88


Team is a mess from soup to nuts. The even strength play is comically bad.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 22 @ 8:57 AM ET
Colorado and Calgary less points, but games in hand.
- PLindbergh31


That's not how they rank them in the standings though.
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