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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:57 PM ET
Only if you scream "Lightning Bolt!" and throw bean bags at the second baseman when trying to steal second.
- jmatchett


Tosh.0?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:57 PM ET
Not me. Sex jokes are all the rage and too easy. I prefer humor outside the bath- and bedrooms.
- Flyskippy

No one likes it when the ladies point and giggle skip, be it in the bathroom or the bedroom. It's just not humourous.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Do-Flyers-need-to-fight-more.html

really must be running out of ideas for articles. maybe we should just encourage him to steal ideas from Bill.

- nastyflyergirl


Is this what we're reduced to?
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
Carle has been awful in TB this year, and they totally overpaid for him. I bet Yzerman would like a do over with that contract.
- PLindbergh31


I've seen probably about 12-15 Tampa games this season (Center Ice), and Carle has been pretty bad. He looks sluggish, is making his typical turnovers, losing puck battles along the D boards (like with Talbot the other night), taking his typical weak shots and for all his supposed puck moving prowess, the guy rarely moves the puck beyond a short pass in his own zone.

He plays top minutes on most nights for Tampa (probably due to trying to justify his pay), which some might think is impressive, but as I've said many times before...if your top minute D man is Matt Carle, you're probably not going to be a very good team. The numbers bear that out. Tampa has one of the worst defenses in the league. Carle's limitations have never been more exposed now that he doesn't have the supportiong cast he had in Philly. Despite playing top minutes on one of the more offensively potent teams in the league, Carle ranks 126th in NHL D men even strength pts per 60 mins (behind Luke Schenn), 179th D man in Offensive zone finishes. Tampa's team plus minus is -.20 for every 60 mins of Carle's (even strength) icetime and it is +.77 for every 60 minutes played with him off the ice.

Many Tampa fans are really regretting the signing of Matt Carle. They say things such as:


How many of you guys can stand to watch this guy play here for 6 more years? He's been down right atrocious with and without the puck this year.

If we could move him for a bag of pucks I'd take the deal and run, since we cant, is there any sort of deal that could take him off our hands? Does he have a NTC/NMC?

Anyway we could get J-bow for Carle without adding to much?

---

Carle is frustrating. He's REALLY frustrating at $5.5m, and even moreso when he's paired with Eric "who put concrete in my skates?" Brewer. The turnovers are constant, and a lot of his issues seem like they are easily fixed by not playing lazy.

As far as NTC/NMC, I don't know of any, and couldn't find it in the articles when he was signed as a FA from philly. Edit: Good find LightningStikes. I'm wrong.

Would a move to Ottawa make sense b/c of the Karlsson injury? Do they have cap space/the ability to shift things around for a guy like him? I'm not sure moving him is the answer, but the guy has to do something different, and soon. Also, he could stand to take shooting lessons from Salo.

---

With that contract we are most likely stuck with him for at least 4 more years. The sad thing is even with how bad he's been he's still our third best defenseman, that's how bad our D has been.

---

Why hasn't any of the coaches or trainers have him do nothing but wrist workouts? Between the flaccid shot and limp wristed giveaways on trying to receive a pass, someone has to say something.

---

Hedman, Salo, Aulie and Gudas (I know it's a small sample size, but I liked what I saw) have all been better than him. I would argue that Brewer and Lee have been slightly better at times too. They at least play the body sometimes and don't have the muscle structure of wet linguine. I would personally say that Carle has been our WORST defenseman this year.

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I wrote this when we signed him

Quote:
I never liked Carle but I hope he will prove me wrong, just every time I've seen him play he makes some stupid mistake!

Sadly that statement still stands

---

Carle has been pretty much the player I expected him to be, which is unfortunate given his ridiculous contract.

---

Same, I think Brewer and Lee have been worse than him though, he's fine as #4 D-man, the problem is the contract

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A serviceable 3-4 Dman, but with that contract(LMAO) he is useless and we are probably stuck with him. Never liked him though, I don't see his skills being able to overtake his lack of stature/physicality.

Especially with Carle, most of his turnovers and mistakes come from his noodle wrists. That shot of his looks beer league.

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We could use one of our compliance buyouts on him this summer if we need to get rid of him.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
Tabletop roleplaying - Rifts, D&D, SLA, Kult, Mutants and Masterminds, almost all the Whitewolf games...
My PS3 and XBOX have been collecting dust since Final Fantasy, Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim lost their flavor. So I've been on my comp. Used to raid in WOW... Fell in love with AION until some of my friends got booted, played Star Wars the Old Republic which I thoroughly enjoyed and most recently been playing Guild Wars 2.

Right now it's mostly been tabletop though.

- FlyersGrace

Nice. I don't play as much as I wish but tabletop (AD&D) is my preference. Xbox 360 is taking a back seat to reading lately.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
No one likes it when the ladies point and giggle skip, be it in the bathroom or the bedroom. It's just not humourous.
- mayorofangrytown


Voice of experience?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
Gamer? What kind - video, tabletop RPG, board, card..?

Trick question - all gamers are cool with me.

(Except LARP'ers)

- Flyskippy

Yeah, I have a couple friends who had a stint with LARPing. We didn't talk for a while.

Only remotely related, I picked up inXile's Bard's Tale. Looks pretty good, I'll report in once I've actually played it.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
Tosh.0?
- wolfhounds


No, some old LARP video from about 10 or so years back.
Also, NEVER ask a LARPer anything about LARPing. You will regret it 4 hours later.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
Which is why we drink whenever that happens!
- FlyersGrace

Keep that up, we'll all be in liver failure by April 1st!!!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Do-Flyers-need-to-fight-more.html

really must be running out of ideas for articles. maybe we should just encourage him to steal ideas from Bill.

- nastyflyergirl


Clicked on the link, saw the author and headline. Immediately clicked the x in upper right hand corner of screen.

He's not exactly Frank Deford.
He missed his calling.... The special needs son of Paulie Walnuts on the Sopranos...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
I've seen probably...
(snip)
...if we need to get rid of him.

- exlund

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
Voice of experience?
- Jsaquella

I'm not the best dancer.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 21 @ 2:01 PM ET
No one likes it when the ladies point and giggle skip, be it in the bathroom or the bedroom. It's just not humourous.
- mayorofangrytown


Whats even worse is when I'll ask my wife: Wanna have sex? and she says, Sure, with who?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
I've seen probably about 12-15 Tampa games this season (Center Ice), and Carle has been pretty bad. He looks sluggish, is making his typical turnovers, losing puck battles along the D boards (like with Talbot the other night), taking his typical weak shots and for all his supposed puck moving prowess, the guy rarely moves the puck beyond a short pass in his own zone.

He plays top minutes on most nights for Tampa (probably due to trying to justify his pay), which some might think is impressive, but as I've said many times before...if your top minute D man is Matt Carle, you're probably not going to be a very good team. The numbers bear that out. Tampa has one of the worst defenses in the league. Carle's limitations have never been more exposed now that he doesn't have the supportiong cast he had in Philly. Despite playing top minutes on one of the more offensively potent teams in the league, Carle ranks 126th in NHL D men even strength pts per 60 mins (behind Luke Schenn), 179th D man in Offensive zone finishes. Tampa's team plus minus is -.20 for every 60 mins of Carle's (even strength) icetime and it is +.77 for every 60 minutes played with him off the ice.

Many Tampa fans are really regretting the signing of Matt Carle. They say things such as:


How many of you guys can stand to watch this guy play here for 6 more years? He's been down right atrocious with and without the puck this year.

If we could move him for a bag of pucks I'd take the deal and run, since we cant, is there any sort of deal that could take him off our hands? Does he have a NTC/NMC?

Anyway we could get J-bow for Carle without adding to much?

---

Carle is frustrating. He's REALLY frustrating at $5.5m, and even moreso when he's paired with Eric "who put concrete in my skates?" Brewer. The turnovers are constant, and a lot of his issues seem like they are easily fixed by not playing lazy.

As far as NTC/NMC, I don't know of any, and couldn't find it in the articles when he was signed as a FA from philly. Edit: Good find LightningStikes. I'm wrong.

Would a move to Ottawa make sense b/c of the Karlsson injury? Do they have cap space/the ability to shift things around for a guy like him? I'm not sure moving him is the answer, but the guy has to do something different, and soon. Also, he could stand to take shooting lessons from Salo.

---

With that contract we are most likely stuck with him for at least 4 more years. The sad thing is even with how bad he's been he's still our third best defenseman, that's how bad our D has been.

---

Why hasn't any of the coaches or trainers have him do nothing but wrist workouts? Between the flaccid shot and limp wristed giveaways on trying to receive a pass, someone has to say something.

---

Hedman, Salo, Aulie and Gudas (I know it's a small sample size, but I liked what I saw) have all been better than him. I would argue that Brewer and Lee have been slightly better at times too. They at least play the body sometimes and don't have the muscle structure of wet linguine. I would personally say that Carle has been our WORST defenseman this year.

---

I wrote this when we signed him

Quote:
I never liked Carle but I hope he will prove me wrong, just every time I've seen him play he makes some stupid mistake!

Sadly that statement still stands

---

Carle has been pretty much the player I expected him to be, which is unfortunate given his ridiculous contract.

---

Same, I think Brewer and Lee have been worse than him though, he's fine as #4 D-man, the problem is the contract

---

A serviceable 3-4 Dman, but with that contract(LMAO) he is useless and we are probably stuck with him. Never liked him though, I don't see his skills being able to overtake his lack of stature/physicality.

Especially with Carle, most of his turnovers and mistakes come from his noodle wrists. That shot of his looks beer league.

---

We could use one of our compliance buyouts on him this summer if we need to get rid of him.

- exlund


I like the cut of your jib Sir.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 2:04 PM ET
Whats even worse is when I'll ask my wife: Wanna have sex? and she says, Sure, with who?
- BiggE

or "I just did, where were you."
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 2:04 PM ET
I've seen probably about 12-15 Tampa games this season (Center Ice), and Carle has been pretty bad. He looks sluggish, is making his typical turnovers, losing puck battles along the D boards (like with Talbot the other night), taking his typical weak shots and for all his supposed puck moving prowess, the guy rarely moves the puck beyond a short pass in his own zone.

He plays top minutes on most nights for Tampa (probably due to trying to justify his pay), which some might think is impressive, but as I've said many times before...if your top minute D man is Matt Carle, you're probably not going to be a very good team. The numbers bear that out. Tampa has one of the worst defenses in the league. Carle's limitations have never been more exposed now that he doesn't have the supportiong cast he had in Philly. Despite playing top minutes on one of the more offensively potent teams in the league, Carle ranks 126th in NHL D men even strength pts per 60 mins (behind Luke Schenn), 179th D man in Offensive zone finishes. Tampa's team plus minus is -.20 for every 60 mins of Carle's (even strength) icetime and it is +.77 for every 60 minutes played with him off the ice.

- exlund


Why don't you realize that these facts are not true and your system of using untrue facts is in fact not a true system? The system uses facts to prove that I'm right and you are truthfully wrong. It's a fact and that's proven by a system that is a truth in fact.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 2:06 PM ET
No, some old LARP video from about 10 or so years back.
Also, NEVER ask a LARPer anything about LARPing. You will regret it 4 hours later.

- jmatchett

wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 21 @ 2:08 PM ET
No, some old LARP video from about 10 or so years back.
Also, NEVER ask a LARPer anything about LARPing. You will regret it 4 hours later.

- jmatchett


I will keep that in mind.

I wonder if it's the same guy from the LARP video you're talking about that got on Tosh?

http://www.larping.org/to...ho-web-redemption-larper/
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Mar 21 @ 2:09 PM ET
Why don't you realize that these facts are not true and your system of using untrue facts is in fact not a true system? The system uses facts to prove that I'm right and you are truthfully wrong. It's a fact and that's proven by a system that is a truth in fact.
- jmatchett


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 2:10 PM ET
Why don't you realize that these facts are not true and your system of using untrue facts is in fact not a true system? The system uses facts to prove that I'm right and you are truthfully wrong. It's a fact and that's proven by a system that is a truth in fact.
- jmatchett

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 2:11 PM ET

- BulliesPhan87


Is the guy flicking the ashes Coburn?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 21 @ 2:12 PM ET
or "I just did, where were you."
- mayorofangrytown


Reply: "Did you just ask me if I was into threesomes?"
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 21 @ 2:12 PM ET
I'm with you in hoping that Homer knows to cut his losses with respect to the current season and start taking steps toward a general retooling...

Some of his best moves as Flyers' GM came as a TDL seller back in 07:
- Coburn for Zhitnik,
- 2 former 1st-round picks (Upshall, Parent) plus a 1st-rounder for Forsberg,
- Turning Kyle Freakin' Calder into multiple assets (Kukkonen + 3rd)


The man definitely knows how to leverage other GMs' desperation to juice a good return.

- Tomahawk


Where have those moves gotten us? Coburn is just as awful as Zhitnik, We no longer have anyone from the forsberg deal or Calder one. Goot trades short term but didn't amount to anything long term
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 2:13 PM ET
I will keep that in mind.

I wonder if it's the same guy from the LARP video you're talking about that got on Tosh?

http://www.larping.org/to...ho-web-redemption-larper/

- wolfhounds


I can't view videos at work, but it's a bunch of dudes out in the woods, and one just screams, "LIGHTNING BOLT!" over and over. According to one guy who gave me about a 4 1/2 hour lecture on LARPing, he was cheating. This was after I was introduced to his wizard staff, his PVC padded sword, his beanbag collection, his spell book, as well as the official rules of what you have to do to create spells, what spells counteracted spells...you get the idea.
He did make some awesome ribs though.
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