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FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:09 PM ET
It has, but it doesn't make him worthless. Just means that he's a support player. He might be a bit expensive for a support player, but that's the breaks
- Jsaquella


solid 20 minute a night d-men don't come cheap. i have no problem with his contract

an extra first in this draft would be pretty damn tempting, though
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:10 PM ET
No.

This isn't a matter of equality or parity but of the "norm".

If you read up on the 1995 NHL season, is there likely to be a mention of the lockout?

That's the note, the "asterisk".

People equating "asterisk" with "less of an accomplishment" are off base and viewing "asterisk" as defined by baseball as opposed to "a reference to a footnote".

- wolfhounds


Well, I guess my whole reason is why does it matter? To me, it doesn't make the season any harder or easier. It's still a legitimate Stanley Cup victory as defined by the victor of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. I understand the season is shortened, but the Stanley Cup is not awarded to "the best team during the NHL season." It's awarded to "the victor of the Stanley Cup Playoffs' and I believe they are "normal." If anything, the President's Trophy should have one.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
You wouldn't get Kulikov or Leddy for Coburn. Maybe before they both really established themselves
- Jsaquella

Obviously it would have to be in some sort of a package deal... But adding a mobile offensively gifted D-man who is reliable in his own zone should be a focal point. I dont think we need to go out and get a Weber or Pietrangelo.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
No.

This isn't a matter of equality or parity but of the "norm".

If you read up on the 1995 NHL season, is there likely to be a mention of the lockout?

That's the note, the "asterisk".

People equating "asterisk" with "less of an accomplishment" are off base and viewing "asterisk" as defined by baseball as opposed to "a reference to a footnote".

- wolfhounds


So, what about years with Olympic participation? Should there be an asterisk those years, too? They're out of the ordinary. Gives teams without a lot of participants a break and a chance to heal up.



BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
No.

This isn't a matter of equality or parity but of the "norm".

If you read up on the 1995 NHL season, is there likely to be a mention of the lockout?

That's the note, the "asterisk".

People equating "asterisk" with "less of an accomplishment" are off base and viewing "asterisk" as defined by baseball as opposed to "a reference to a footnote".

- wolfhounds

Perhaps you should use a different term, rather than expecting everybody to disregard the established connotation of the asterisk. That little cross symbol works pretty well, doesn't quite roll off the tongue (keyboard?) like 'asterisk, though.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:12 PM ET
Obviously it would have to be in some sort of a package deal... But adding a mobile offensively gifted D-man who is reliable in his own zone should be a focal point. I dont think we need to go out and get a Weber or Pietrangelo.
- jak521


I don't either. I'd be comfortable with Bouwmeester or Yandle, so long as the cost isn't too high.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
solid 20 minute a night d-men don't come cheap. i have no problem with his contract

an extra first in this draft would be pretty damn tempting, though

- FlyerMike18


That's why I am open to a trade, but not pushing for one.

When it comes down to it, I'd prefer to trade Meszaros.
Duane B
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: off to see the wizzard. the w, PA
Joined: 12.02.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
Mood?
- BulliesPhan87

1980 KNOWS HOW TO POST 3 THINGS THATS IT
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
I don't either. I'd be comfortable with Bouwmeester or Yandle, so long as the cost isn't too high.
- Jsaquella



Yandle

Bouwmee$ter
Duane B
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: off to see the wizzard. the w, PA
Joined: 12.02.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:13 PM ET
sup
- Crimsoninja

sup
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
1980 KNOWS HOW TO POST 3 THINGS THATS IT
- Duane B

WHAT ARE THOSE THREE THINGS?
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
1980 KNOWS HOW TO POST 3 THINGS THATS IT
- Duane B


i posted a fourth...hmm guess you missed that?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
If that was so he would have done it games ago...this was done to send a message. Danny has stunk for well over a month now.
- Philly1980

That's half the season!
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Mar 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
1980 KNOWS HOW TO POST 3 THINGS THATS IT
- Duane B



sup D
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:14 PM ET
Resigned*
- Scoob


Well played, sir.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:15 PM ET
I was hoping the first response would be an asterisk joke.
- BulliesPhan87

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 1:16 PM ET
WHAT ARE THOSE THREE THINGS?
- BulliesPhan87


Fire lavy

Trade briere

and fail for jones
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 1:16 PM ET
That's half the season!
- Flyskippy

exactly hes sucked for half the season so why demote him now....he sucks
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:17 PM ET
Yandle

Bouwmee$ter

- Tomahawk


Factor in the LTIR relief from Pronger and his effective cap hit is miniscule
sarmen25
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 21 @ 1:18 PM ET
Nope. Especially not if they miss the playoffs. But if they squeak in, and get blown out, he's toast
- Jsaquella


i guess if he's gone, Terry Murray is gonna be the head coach...not sure what i think of that...

i would be more in favour to get Lindy Ruff
Duane B
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: off to see the wizzard. the w, PA
Joined: 12.02.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:18 PM ET
sup D
- Don'tForgetTocchet

how are things dft
Duane B
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: off to see the wizzard. the w, PA
Joined: 12.02.2008

Mar 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
Fire lavy

Trade briere

and fail for jones

- Philly1980

missed one six alts
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
Fire lavy

Trade briere

and fail for jones

- Philly1980

ty, I understand now. Have you considered adding a fourth or fifth thing?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 21 @ 1:19 PM ET
Well, I guess my whole reason is why does it matter? To me, it doesn't make the season any harder or easier. It's still a legitimate Stanley Cup victory as defined by the victor of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. I understand the season is shortened, but the Stanley Cup is not awarded to "the best team during the NHL season." It's awarded to "the victor of the Stanley Cup Playoffs' and I believe they are "normal." If anything, the President's Trophy should have one.
- jmatchett


Agreed. My only point way back when was it's my personal preference for the Flyers to break this decades long Stanley Cup drought during a normal 82 game season. Would I take it this season? Yes, absolutely. Would it make the playoffs any easier? No, not really. Would it lessen the accomplishment? No. Would there be a footnote because of the lockout and shortened season? Yes.

Still, it's an interesting debate. I thought my comment was rather innocuous.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 21 @ 1:21 PM ET
exactly hes sucked for half the season so why demote him now....he sucks
- Philly1980

Just to incense borderline anger management candidates in the fan base.
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